Lost - The Full Series Thread

[MrPogo]

Jacob seemed a bit too willing to die. I wouldn't be surprised if the "real Locke" had been revived when they leave the foot.

[Rayn]

This white flash didn't have the same sound effect as the time jumps. But they could be playing with us again.

Err..no. It had the same soundeffect as every "final scene" before an ad break has. It's the standard "hang on, this is very exciting" sound!

[Rayn]

Jacob seemed a bit too willing to die. I wouldn't be surprised if the "real Locke" had been revived when they leave the foot.

Jacob accepted this, because it was barely seconds apart from the incident. 30 years apart, yes, but as soon as the incident happened, 2007 changed as well.

[Anne Summers]

Did anyone else think that scene with Juliet and Rose/Bernard was really odd? When they offered her tea and she said "maybe another time". It just seemed really weird for some reason. Is it possible, possibly, that Juliet knew she would perish in the incident? That perhaps herself in the future had some how seen the death log/report of those who had perished in the incident but knew, even though she was with grasping distance of leaving the island, that she would inevitably have to go back to die?

I thought that scene was really good. It made me think about how you get content with life slowing down as you get older, and how all the running around and panicking that young people do must look pretty silly to old people. I think the "maybe another time" line told us that Juliet had seen that Rose and Bernard were basically right in what they were saying, and acknowledging that by pursuing their course of action (blowing up the Swan), they were really just perpetuating the whole dumb, messy situation. But she knew she'd gone too far down the line to turn back now, so she declined the offer of staying for tea, but said she might be back later... when she's done what she's got to do this time, she'll have a re-think about her life. Oh, except she gets killed. So really it was Juliets redemption scene, to show she basically knows the score, before she meets her maker.

[roskelld]

Jacob seemed a bit too willing to die.

I figured that was because it was fair play in the rules of the game.

[Graham S]

Hmm. Given I've been so blown away by this season, I thought the finale was a bit of a let down. The "incident" itself was like the finale of an episode of the A Team. I realise it's been an important theme from the very start of the show, but I've never been particularly interested in the theme of people's past choices, for good or ill, having some bearing on whatever is going on in the Island, and this seemed to bring back some of the flavour of the early seasons. I guess I don't much like it when interesting complicated adults turn out to be driven by banal incidents from when they were children. Get over it, already. I was also hoping for something interesting to chew on for the next nine months, but I don't think any interesting new questions were posed, and it's a shame to not even get a "WTF?" glimpse of what happens next. We knew it was going to end with the Incident, so that wasn't thrilling, and the conclusion to Locke's story was so telegraphed that it was obvious what was in the box and what was going to happen.

[Anne Summers]

Hmm. Given I've been so blown away by this season, I thought the finale was a bit of a let down. The "incident" itself was like the finale of an episode of the A Team. I realise it's been an important theme from the very start of the show, but I've never been particularly interested in the theme of people's past choices, for good or ill, having some bearing on whatever is going on in the Island, and this seemed to bring back some of the flavour of the early seasons. I guess I don't much like it when interesting complicated adults turn out to be driven by banal incidents from when they were children. Get over it, already. I was also hoping for something interesting to chew on for the next nine months, but I don't think any interesting new questions were posed, and it's a shame to not even get a "WTF?" glimpse of what happens next. We knew it was going to end with the Incident, so that wasn't thrilling, and the conclusion to Locke's story was so telegraphed that it was obvious what was in the box and what was going to happen.

I don't think we have seen the incident yet. Only the very first stage of it. I bet the next episode is going to have Dharma trying to sort it all out - and its whatever they do then that forms the actual meat of the "Incident" proper.

Just been watching some of the episode again. Horace tells Chang "I've been working on this project for 6 years". I'm sure at least part of the Swan has already been built.

[Anne Summers]

After this episode, the Swan has suddenly got very interesting again.

I really like the idea of the failsafe being connected to a time-loop - as someone said above, Juliet reappearing every 108 minutes and detonating the bomb, because she's stuck in some kind of paradox. Until Desmond hits the failsafe

Apparently the Others don't know about the Swan station at this point. They don't find out about it until the losties discover it in 2004. Which makes me think its likely the bomb didn't go off. Or maybe it did go off, but only in a parallel timeline or something, where it will stay, until the fail safe is turned 27 years later?

[Goose]

How do they build the Swan without the incident happening again? We always assumed that the incident was caused when they drilled into a pocket of energy, but we also know this builds up after 108 minutes to danger level again. How do they contain it long enough to build the hatch etc?

[Pob]

How do they build the Swan without the incident happening again? We always assumed that the incident was caused when they drilled into a pocket of energy, but we also know this builds up after 108 minutes to danger level again. How do they contain it long enough to build the hatch etc?

I hope we see that at the start of next season. I'll be a bit gutted if the Losties just jump forward in time and we never see what happens next to Radzinski and Chang.

The geography of the Swan is a little odd. It is built at the bottom of a MASSIVE hole, yet there's a back door which opens out at ground level. Guess there is a big cliff nearby!

[Tetchy]

Or maybe the Swan we know isn't built there. Maybe they find another pocket in a different place. Who knows, I bet even the Lost writers haven't figured that out yet.

[Tom*]

I hope we see that at the start of next season. I'll be a bit gutted if the Losties just jump forward in time and we never see what happens next to Radzinski and Chang.

The geography of the Swan is a little odd. It is built at the bottom of a MASSIVE hole, yet there's a back door which opens out at ground level. Guess there is a big cliff nearby!

I wanna see what happens to Radzinski and Chang too. I reckon Chang puts him in the Swan after the subordination, and Kelvin blows his brains out for being so annoying.

And the Swan's back door probably has a big flight of stairs up to ground level, but building a set for that was a massive hassle, so they didn't show it. Or something.

[Strafe]

The Bomb went off.

[Pob]

After this episode, the Swan has suddenly got very interesting again.

I really like the idea of the failsafe being connected to a time-loop - as someone said above, Juliet reappearing every 108 minutes and detonating the bomb, because she's stuck in some kind of paradox. Until Desmond hits the failsafe

I like that idea too. But all the time-travel shiz is under the Orchid station, not the Swan. Saying that, Desmond came unstuck in time after activating the failsafe, so who knows.

[whizzo]

Apparently the Others don't know about the Swan station at this point. They don't find out about it until the losties discover it in 2004.

Do we know that to be the case?

[Anne Summers]

Do we know that to be the case?

Only according to Lostpedia.But I trust those guys, they're pretty hardcore Lost geeks.

[Straps]

That can't be the case, though. There were those monitoring stations, Patchy was in one and Ben and Juliet were seen in another at some point before Ben got captured. There's no way they could not have known about it.

[Anne Summers]

That can't be the case, though. There were those monitoring stations, Patchy was in one and Ben and Juliet were seen in another at some point before Ben got captured. There's no way they could not have known about it.

The Pearl was the only monitoring station wasn't it? The Pearly was monitoring the Swan, and the one Patchy was in (The Flame?) I think... right? Ben and Juliet visited the Swan before Ben was captured, yes, but that took part after the losties found the Swan .

Its surely pretty unthinkable that the Others would have let the losties take control of the Swan, if they knew about it, and knew how important it was, isn't it?

Also, why did Jack say "Don't give up on him" to Richard, when he asked him about Locke. They never really saw eye to eye, did they? And isn't Locke dead by hanging himself, as far as Jack knows ? (well, and for real as well... he has no idea what Locke is getting up to in season 5, does he?)

[Tom*]

Also, why did Jack say "Don't give up on him" to Richard, when he asked him about Locke. They never really saw eye to eye, did they? And isn't Locke dead by hanging himself, as far as Jack knows ? (well, and for real as well... he has no idea what Locke is getting up to in season 5, does he?)

Maybe because Richard was talking about having been to see Locke growing up three times, and not sensing anything special. So Jack was thinking about that note Locke wrote to him before he died (about wishing Jack had believed him) and because he was convinced to return to the island and that Locke was right, he tells Richard not to give up on Locke - because in the future (before he dies) Locke will know what everyone needs to do and has to tell them that to save everyone. Ironically it seems like everything was Smokey's orchestrated bullshit, so Jack and therefore Richard are both falling for it. I may have missed something.

If Locke was set up as a leader like this, just to be impersonated, does that mean he wasn't special at all? He was just being played all along Smokey is a patient dude.

[Goose]

Well he did say to Jacob that he (Jacob) had no idea what he'd been through to get to that point. It sounds like Smokey orchestrated almost everything to this point.

[Anne Summers]

I don't know I think Locke still was special. Jacob came to see him when he fell out of the window after all. He may still have a part to play, or maybe something else he did will be revealed, and it'llll show he wasn't just a deluded fool being played all the way along. Or maybe not, and he was.

[DarthSquirrel]

So what's all this about Juliet being

pregnant

?

Apparently there are clues in that Rose/Bernard scene. But i don't really care about her enough to watch it back...

[zxcvbnm]

She was rubbing her belly in that scene, but apart from that, nothing else to suggest she's up the duff.

[GwiDan]

After this episode, the Swan has suddenly got very interesting again.

I really like the idea of the failsafe being connected to a time-loop - as someone said above, Juliet reappearing every 108 minutes and detonating the bomb, because she's stuck in some kind of paradox. Until Desmond hits the failsafe

The failsafe being what? An automated gun turret?

[joeplus]

Jesus, man, finally been able to watch this.

At first I was a touch pissed off, but then (very rarely for Lost) the more I thought about it, the more cool it seemed. I don't have any crazy theories, but it seems pretty clear we've got a big Good vs. Evil GOD-FIGHT for Series 6, which is very cool. After ghosts and time travel, there's nothing wrong with that - in fact, I'm well up for it. The opening scene was so well-placed in letting you know what it was about once you'd finished it.

Also: ROSE AND BERNARD! =D

But also: JULIET D=

[Anne Summers]

Well I just watched the opening episode of the season again, I'm pretty sure it's the first time I've re-watched an episode, since the show started. I'm very confused about the scene where Farraday bangs on the door of the Swan and tells Desmond to go and see his mother. I don't think this was resolved throughout the series was it? I'm going to have to go to Lostpedia again.

[whizzo]

Desmond is the exeption

[roskelld]

The Juliet thing sounds very feasible. I've just remembered that scene where Locke sees Horace building the cabin and he's stuck in a time loop, with his nose bleeding.

We know that the time jumps cause nose bleeding the longer you've been on the island, hence Charlotte suffering the most.

[Goose]

The wife is calling this - Ammit is possibly the statue - even though he differs from what the statue looks like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammit

In Egyptian mythology, Ammit (also spelled Ammut, Ammet, Amam, Amemet and Ahemait) was the personification of divine retribution for all the wrongs one had committed in life. She dwelt in the Hall of Ma'at, who was the personification of the concept of truth, balance, and order.

And that the other guy with Jacob is Esau, the brother of Jacob in the bible. Esau was enraged at Jacob because he thought he had stolen his birth-right (he hadn't apparently..)

[Sponge]

That sounds more like Smokey (Ammit)