Lost - The Full Series Thread

[Stig]

I didn't get any kind of musical note, what I got what the usual Lost suspense note and then an explosion.

[squirtle]

Yes, that's what it sounds like on my version. I still say that that is not the sound of a bloody hydrogen bomb. It's just a crescendo.

Ah, look, it's all good though. You say boom I say musical crescendo, I say Banjo Kazooie is better than Mario 64, you call me a cacky handed idiot!

We still love each other, really.

[Stig]

Quick question, how many hydrogen bombs have you heard explode before?

[Venice Cull]

We still love each other, really.

Of course darling.

But I have an image of you now, stood in the centre of Nagaski on August the 6th 1945 saying "listen to that beautiful music!"

[the_debaser]

Just watched it.

The way they shoved Jacob into the backstory of everyone else was terrible. But at least it pretty much confirmed that Hurley is the most important character. Loved it though. When's the next season? 2010? Also, I never realised a Hydrogen bomb could be that small, especially seeing as I thought it needed a nuclear fission bomb to set it off. You learn something new every day.

[Strafe]

Notice that it was the Arab guy with the bomb strapped to him.

[Rayn]

Notice that it was the Arab guy with the bomb strapped to him.

Your sig is telling us what you should be feeling with a post like that.

[Rayn]

Just watched it.

The way they shoved Jacob into the backstory of everyone else was terrible. But at least it pretty much confirmed that Hurley is the most important character. Loved it though. When's the next season? 2010? Also, I never realised a Hydrogen bomb could be that small, especially seeing as I thought it needed a nuclear fission bomb to set it off. You learn something new every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_bomb

[Rayn]

If Hurley is in any way central to the big picture of Lost after six seasons, I will never commit myself to a series like this again. I'll cry.

Errr, why? Because you don't like shallow, fat people? There's been far more to Hurley than meets the eye from his very first flashback episode.

Whatever the bigger picture is, are you determined to accept it or write it off based on who the key characters are?

[toonfool]

Hurley is brilliant.

[Goose]

I've got another take on things regarding Jacob's visits. What if he was pre-empting things? To me it seemed like he was going back to alter their paths. He went back to Kate and told her not to steal again, had Sawyer's pen worked straight away he would have probably written the note and hidden it. But his pen didn't work and he had to borrow one, meaning the letter wasn't finished in time and hence his uncle/guardian saw it and told him not to do it again.

But perhaps not all for the greater good - he got Sayid's wife killed which would put him on the path of revenge after Ben told him it was Widmore's men who killed her (or was this just pure manipulation?)

I think he needed Hurley back on the island for some reason, which is why he went to see him.

Locke, no idea, same for Jack. But just something I thought about when he first visited Kate.

With Jacob now dead is Richard about to started aging rapidly?

What had happened to Illeana? That seemed to be Russian she was speaking and I got the impression she had seen Jacob before.

Did Jacob really give Alpert/Ben a list of people he wanted? Or was that fake-Jacob/Smoke Monster in a hope to get those people out of the picture?

I can't see how anything can change though, as Jacob has been killed in what we presume to be "now". All the incidents, purge etc have already happened.

The "they're coming"? Is that in reference to Alpert & Co? Or something else?

How DOES Widmore know there's a war coming? What war?!

Way too many questions for a nine month break!

It seemed odd to introduce Jacob, finally, and start to give him a backstory (Illeana knowing him) but then not develop it that little bit further. Here was a cat who had been apparently passing down orders to Ben via Richard for 35 years yet Ben had never met him. Yet Illeana KNEW the guy.

[toonfool]

Did he touch all of the Oceanic people present at the hydrogen bomb? Maybe he was helping them to survive it. Though he didn't touch the lad who has that connection with ghosts, did he? Miles?

[makkuwata]

But perhaps not all for the greater good - he got Sayid's wife killed which would put him on the path of revenge after Ben told him it was Widmore's men who killed her (or was this just pure manipulation?)

It's impossible to tell exactly what's going on through all the deception, but I saw that as Jacob saving Sayid's life rather than killing his wife.

[Goose]

Did anyone else think that scene with Juliet and Rose/Bernard was really odd? When they offered her tea and she said "maybe another time". It just seemed really weird for some reason. Is it possible, possibly, that Juliet knew she would perish in the incident? That perhaps herself in the future had some how seen the death log/report of those who had perished in the incident but knew, even though she was with grasping distance of leaving the island, that she would inevitably have to go back to die?

[Yoshimax]

somehow I think hurley will be the antithesis of the Locke storyline. He'll somehow be Jacob's emissary. Freewill, choice, the numbers, being 'blessed' etc.

Hurley's definately pivotal to the whole thing I'm sure of that now - where was he from the point Jack went back to the base with the bomb ? I don't recall seeing him again...

When Juliette detonated it I'm pretty sure the white flash was a hint that they've >maybe< jumped through time - my reckoning is to "present" hence the "they're coming" comment from Jacob

Loved it.

contrasted logo at the end was a nice touch too.

[Goose]

I think the key player is still Hurley. He's the only innocent character and main player. I think he's Jacob's ace in the hole.

[Rudi von Starnberg]

Did he touch all of the Oceanic people present at the hydrogen bomb? Maybe he was helping them to survive it. Though he didn't touch the lad who has that connection with ghosts, did he? Miles?

All the people he met/touched were the ones who jumped back in time on the Ajira flight. The ones who were untouched (Sun and Ben and the rest) stayed in the present.

EDIT: Actually, did he touch Sun? At the wedding? He did, didn't he. Damn this theory all to hell, then.

[Rayn]

I've got another take on things regarding Jacob's visits. What if he was pre-empting things? To me it seemed like he was going back to alter their paths. He went back to Kate and told her not to steal again, had Sawyer's pen worked straight away he would have probably written the note and hidden it. But his pen didn't work and he had to borrow one, meaning the letter wasn't finished in time and hence his uncle/guardian saw it and told him not to do it again.

But perhaps not all for the greater good - he got Sayid's wife killed which would put him on the path of revenge after Ben told him it was Widmore's men who killed her (or was this just pure manipulation?)

I think he needed Hurley back on the island for some reason, which is why he went to see him.

Locke, no idea, same for Jack. But just something I thought about when he first visited Kate.

The only problem with this theory, is, Kate did evolve to be a naughty girl, she arrived the island in handcuffs under the supervision of a marshall. Sawyer did write the letter etc. so Jacob couldn't have changed anything.

If Jacob was the reason for Sayids wifes death, it must've been to give him another reason to live/fight, as she was the life to him. In Jacks case, he was the youngster burning to be his own master, not getting help from anyone else, he's got something to prove to fulfill himself.

Locke. Complex character, that, but pretty much like Jack, he's got something to prove. Paralyzed and wheelchair bound, no one was allowed to tell him he couldn't go on a walkabout, he believed there was something in it for him. Like the S1 episode, centering around Locke and Jack, "Man of Science, Man of Faith", Locke was driven by his faith that he could achieve something, while Jack was driven by the thought that science would prove his worth.

Hurley then. Not particularly smart, not an educated man, nor a sociable fellow, his love for food and videogames has kept him at bay in his role in the society; a loner. The highly mysterious "numbers" made him filthy rich, monetary wise, before he arrived on the island, yet on the island he was able to shine, as a person, in every way he couldn't back in the real world. Also, the numbers that made him the money, also brought him, and the Rossau team, allegedly, to the island. Hurley might be imporatant because he doesn't have an agenda, he doesn't have a plan. He's the only neutral character on the island. He's not out to get someone, he doesn't seek revenge, he isn't out to prove anything, he doesn't have anything to go home to. While everyone else are running around to cater for their causes, Hurley is just being Hurley. In all this talk about Good vs Evil, Darkl & Light etc. Hurley comes across as the man in the middle, the centre of it all.

[Rayn]

Did anyone else think that scene with Juliet and Rose/Bernard was really odd? When they offered her tea and she said "maybe another time". It just seemed really weird for some reason. Is it possible, possibly, that Juliet knew she would perish in the incident? That perhaps herself in the future had some how seen the death log/report of those who had perished in the incident but knew, even though she was with grasping distance of leaving the island, that she would inevitably have to go back to die?

I'm with you on the thought of the scene being weird, but I think you're thinking too hard about the meaning of it. If she'd known she was going to die, sheæd surely sit down for a cuppa, just to savour her last moment. Instead, she was in a hurry, as she knew there was little time to make things right, but still hoped Jack was right so that she could have that cuppa at a later stage.

[toonfool]

Re: Jacob/Locke

Jacob brought Locke back to life when he touched him.

[Rayn]

I think the key player is still Hurley. He's the only innocent character and main player. I think he's Jacob's ace in the hole.

Yes, I have strong feelings about this as well, as I've already (tried to) described in my first quote to you.

[the_debaser]

The whole Jacob thing in the last episode was nothing but a... 'ooooh look, here's Jacob and SHOCK HORROR, he's met most of the people on the island already'. It's just lazy scriptwriting which I can't buy into at all. Next season you'll probably have smokey flashbacks or something equally stupid.

[Rayn]

Re: Jacob/Locke

Jacob brought Locke back to life when he touched him.

Yes he did. Locke was also fatally wounded by Ben back in season 3, by a gunshot, but Locke still recovered. Did Jacob save him back then too? We don't know (yet), but Locke sure as hell was supposed to survive Bens attempt at killing him, if not, he'd never been able to kill Jacob.

[Rayn]

The whole Jacob thing in the last episode was nothing but a... 'ooooh look, here's Jacob and SHOCK HORROR, he's met most of the people on the island already'. It's just lazy scriptwriting which I can't buy into at all. Next season you'll probably have smokey flashbacks or something equally stupid.

I think you might've watched the show for the wrong reasons. Jacob has been mentioned on several occations since season three, and since the first time we heard the mention of him, we've known he'd be special. If you remove Jacob from the entire (known) equation, I'd like to hear your theory about all the flashbacks we've seen since the pilot, and how we've been dripfed that everyone was, somehow, conncected before they got to the island. I'm sure you must have a theory, otherwise you wouldn't have been let down by the Jacob story, he must've gotten in your way of your imagination of the big picture. So, remove Jacob, how would it have worked without him (up until now, as we don't know what season 6 will bring, yet.)

[Yoshimax]

With Jacobs comment to Ben about "you have a choice" I'm thinking Hurley is like the wildcard in this whole thing (the only one that can tip the odds one way or the other) and ultimately he will decide the ending.

[Rayn]

With Jacobs comment to Ben about "you have a choice" I'm thinking Hurley is like the wildcard in this whole thing (the only one that can tip the odds one way or the other) and ultimately he will decide the ending.

What?

[the_debaser]

I think you might've watched the show for the wrong reasons. Jacob has been mentioned on several occations since season three, and since the first time we heard the mention of him, we've known he'd be special. If you remove Jacob from the entire (known) equation, I'd like to hear your theory about all the flashbacks we've seen since the pilot, and how we've been dripfed that everyone was, somehow, conncected before they got to the island. I'm sure you must have a theory, otherwise you wouldn't have been let down by the Jacob story, he must've gotten in your way of your imagination of the big picture. So, remove Jacob, how would it have worked without him (up until now, as we don't know what season 6 will bring, yet.)

So what, Jack ended up there because he gave him a fucking chocolate bar? I think you've been watching the wrong show for the past 5 years if that's good enough for you. They'd better sort this shit out for next season. Thing is I'm now expecting Jacob flashbacks for all the other passengers, like where Sayid gets on a bus driven by Jacob and where Charlie buys some smack off Jacob the smack dealer.

BTW I do love the show, just seemed like a massive anticlimax.

[El Spatula]

Y'know the big white flash could just have easily been "the incident" rather than the H-Bomb. Plus the big white flash accompanied all of the time shifts before.

[Rayn]

So what, Jack ended up there because he gave him a fucking chocolate bar? I think you've been watching the wrong show for the past 5 years if that's good enough for you. They'd better sort this shit out for next season. Thing is I'm now expecting Jacob flashbacks for all the other passengers, like where Sayid gets on a bus driven by Jacob and where Charlie buys some smack off Jacob the smack dealer.

BTW I do love the show, just seemed like a massive anticlimax.

IDGI, what was the anti climax? I think the main problem with this seasons finale was that it gave too many answers. People are confused.

PS: Obviously you didn't read my previous posts. just the thought of Jack ending up on the island because of a chocolate would make me think twice about ever eating a Bounty bar again, mate.

[JohnC]

This white flash didn't have the same sound effect as the time jumps. But they could be playing with us again.