Lost - The Full Series Thread

[Popo]

One thing I don't understand - Jacob and his nemesis hate each other, this much we know. However, the Others are connected to both Jacob and the smoke monster/the temple complex where it lives.

So how can we be so sure the smoke monster is Jacob's nemesis?

[tonecapone]

theory from another site.

The statue is of Anubis, the Egyptian God of death. Also, a picture of Anubis was shown in the temple where the black smoke came from. Thus, the black smoke is Anubis, the God of death. We have seen the smoke monster appear in the form of Eko's brother, Yemi, Alex, and as Christian. It can appear in the form of anyone whose dead body is on the island. Now, drum roll, the smoke monster is appearing as John Locke. The real John Locke is indeed dead.

Anubis is also the guy we saw at the beginning on the beach with Jacob. Jacob is also a God, and normally God's can't kill each other. The loophole is that apparently only a mortal man is able to kill a God. This is why people don't get to see God until they are dead (when they go to heaven). This is why Ben never got to see Jacob. Anubis figured this out. First, Anubis tried to use the form of Christian to convince people on the island to do things against Jacob's will and change history. But Jacob kept rebalancing things back to the way they were supposed to happen (by power of persuasion when visiting everyone off the island, for example). So Anubis came up with Plan B, to pose as John Locke, then appear as Alex to convince Ben to kill Jacob.

Why does Anubis want to kill Jacob? Because Jacob is RA, God of life. Richard Alpert is his son, perhaps (initials R.A. or RA). We literally saw Jacob bring Locke back to life after he fell out of the window. With Jacob dead, Anubis can now alter history however he pleases and kill whomever he wants. He can again rule as God of death. This is the ultimate bad ending. We're doomed!

But wait, Juliet just got the bomb to explode, which will mean everything that happened on the show, including the killing of Jacob, never happened. She saved the day. In fact, everything done by the Losties for the whole series was a component leading up to this. And it was Jacob who led to them all coming to the island. So they all played a part in "keeping balance to the force."

[Marzipan Travolta]

I think what we all really want to know is how Sayid got experience of handling nuclear devices while working for the Iraqi Republican Guard.

[NecroMorrius]

In terms of moving things along, this did a decent job. However, it was pretty horrible, with a grotesque amount of plot holes and some terrible effects. The Sawyer/Juliette stuff was excrutiating.

[angel]

In terms of moving things along, this did a decent job. However, it was pretty horrible, with a grotesque amount of plot holes and some terrible effects. The Sawyer/Juliette stuff was excrutiating.

I think you downloaded hollyoaks mate.

[Dayman]

It was a great finale, though almost ended on tto much of a cliffhanger, but as far as Locke goes... obviously it seems like he died when Ben killed him, seems like such a sad and undignified death for a character who we got so involved with, where's the proper conclusion to his story? He started off as a pawn, and all the way to the end he was a pawn in a bigger game? Even if it was to be a tragic end for him, it just feels like it was dealt with really badly...

[angel]

Also, is it just me or is Lostpedia not showing anything for the finale. I guess they've got a lot to type up, but it's unlike them.

Small, teeny tiny podcast spoiler

last week they answered the question "when will we have all the info to correctly deduce how the show will go in the last season", the answer was after episode one of S6.

[Rayn]

I think what we all really want to know is how Sayid got experience of handling nuclear devices while working for the Iraqi Republican Guard.

Dude, that was answered in the episode.

[cassidy]

Also, is it just me or is Lostpedia not showing anything for the finale. I guess they've got a lot to type up, but it's unlike them.

Small, teeny tiny podcast spoiler

last week they answered the question "when will we have all the info to correctly deduce how the show will go in the last season", the answer was after episode one of S6.

Just you. I just finished reading the episode guide

[NecroMorrius]

I think you downloaded hollyoaks mate.

Nope, the preposterously clichéd and over-obviously foreshadowed 'love story' crap was enough to make even my girlfriend cringe and sigh in annoyance, and she goes in for that stuff.

Funniest/worst moment of the night goes to the exceptionally bad 'chains' bit, which looked so, so bad I was laughing my head off. Second place goes to the scene where things were supposed to be flying everywhere, specifically where someone ducked below the camera and waved a barrel about, making it look as if it was bobbing along at two miles an hour. I'd find the timestamps but I'm at work

[hoot]

...

Poor Juliette :'(

[Laine]

I cried a bit.

[Broker]

theory from another site.

The statue is of Anubis, the Egyptian God of death. Also, a picture of Anubis was shown in the temple where the black smoke came from. Thus, the black smoke is Anubis, the God of death. We have seen the smoke monster appear in the form of Eko's brother, Yemi, Alex, and as Christian. It can appear in the form of anyone whose dead body is on the island. Now, drum roll, the smoke monster is appearing as John Locke. The real John Locke is indeed dead.

Anubis is also the guy we saw at the beginning on the beach with Jacob. Jacob is also a God, and normally God's can't kill each other. The loophole is that apparently only a mortal man is able to kill a God. This is why people don't get to see God until they are dead (when they go to heaven). This is why Ben never got to see Jacob. Anubis figured this out. First, Anubis tried to use the form of Christian to convince people on the island to do things against Jacob's will and change history. But Jacob kept rebalancing things back to the way they were supposed to happen (by power of persuasion when visiting everyone off the island, for example). So Anubis came up with Plan B, to pose as John Locke, then appear as Alex to convince Ben to kill Jacob.

Why does Anubis want to kill Jacob? Because Jacob is RA, God of life. Richard Alpert is his son, perhaps (initials R.A. or RA). We literally saw Jacob bring Locke back to life after he fell out of the window. With Jacob dead, Anubis can now alter history however he pleases and kill whomever he wants. He can again rule as God of death. This is the ultimate bad ending. We're doomed!

But wait, Juliet just got the bomb to explode, which will mean everything that happened on the show, including the killing of Jacob, never happened. She saved the day. In fact, everything done by the Losties for the whole series was a component leading up to this. And it was Jacob who led to them all coming to the island. So they all played a part in "keeping balance to the force."

Great except what the fuck is next season about? If all the people in 1977 are gone and they've changed the future then what? We just see fuck all of any of them ever again. And of course THE STATUE IS NOT OF ANUBIS. I know you didn't write this but it's stupid.

I felt somewhat underwhealmed by the finale. It reminded me of the season 1 finale with one group possibly but probably not dead and the other group uncovering a fairly limp cliffhanger (looking down the watch/"they're coming"). I guess how good this turns out to be will hinge on the start of next season, if it turns you that the person Jacob said was coming is someone crap like widmore then I'll remember this as very disapointing.

I'm guessing that the incident will have transported the 1977 lot to the present. Leaving them there and continuing in 1977 would be dull and a second event of the magnitude that it could throw them into the future doesnt seem likley.

I was a little disapointed that so much screen time was takenup with the jacob touching them when they were children stuff, but there being no hint at why. No information on richard other than that jacob stopped him from ageing. No claire, no christian, no desmond. The lack of a final WTF moment like penny finding the island/crazy bearded jack being in the future was a bit dissapointing.

[angel]

I'm still buzzing.

[Rudi von Starnberg]

The statue isn't Anubis, which is the jackal-headed god. It's Sobek, the crocodile-headed god, as I posted earlier.

Gradually, Sobek also came to symbolize the produce of the Nile and the fertility that it brought to the land; its status thus became more ambiguous. Sometimes the ferocity of a crocodile was seen in a positive light, Sobek in these circumstances was considered the army's patron, as a representation of strength and power.

Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part.

This could all be applied to Jacob as we know him already, with the fertility thing particularly being a good clue. Childbirth impossible on the island because Jacob's rival is in the ascendancy?

[squirtle]

Except the boom and the explosion noise, of course.

I think your download is gimped.

So (and I'm addressing everyone here) - I don't want to hear anymore talk about the bomb not going off. Rest assured that if anyone questions whether it went off or not there will be very serious repercussions.

Pfft! I ain't scared of you.

A flick to white and a musical crescendo - seriously, listen again, there is no actual explosive noise. My download isn't gimped - does not a hydrogen bomb blast make.

Anyhoo, I'm 95% convinced that the bomb went off, but there is always the chance that it didn't as we haven't physically seen it go off yet.

Although I do like the idea that the bomb going off changes everything as that was Jacob's plan to stop his enemy in the future.

[DarthSquirrel]

Epic.

Going back to Faraday's analogy of time being "like a record" and sometimes the needle slips - were Jacobs's actions, visiting the young/present time Losties, him nudging the needle of time back into the correct groove?

We know (don't we?) that Jacob had been getting Richard to go off the island to influence things, so what was so important about going back to give Jack a chocolate bar/Sawyer a pen (which i'm guessing will have later significance - "you can keep it")

And a few people have suggested Jacob gives life/Smokey takes them - I don't agree that it's as clear cut as this. I don't think we can say 100% that Jacob bought Locke back to life (perhaps it is the 'properties of the island' or something from it that protects/give life? Maybe whatever causes the death of newborns on the island can prevent death off the island? We also see that Jacob is responsible for saving Sayid/not saving Nadia - I'm guessing the driver of the car (who doesn't stop!) will be revealed in S6 (Ben/Richard?)

Also of note i thought was Ben comparing Locke to Moses.

[squirtle]

Anyhoo, questions from this series:

Ilana - she was the one who captured Sayeed to take him back for shooting that bloke on the golf course, right? Was that all a ruse? We know she was working for Jacob and we know Jacob knew of that flight to get back to the island as he told Hurley, so was her job to get Sayeed back to the island?

How can Hurley see dead people off the island if the dead people are actually manifestations made by Smokey? I know that's the theory at the moment, that Smokey has been Christian, Ecko's Brother and Locke and others, but are we to assume that he can be dead people off the island? What about when Jack saw Christian at the hospital before he went off the rails? Who, or what, are the manifestations off the island?

Why did Jacob visit all the lostees at points in there life? Why Kate and Sawyer as a child? Why Jin and Sun at their wedding? Why Jack after his first operation? What was the purpose of these visits? And why did he give Jack an Apollo bar? The same bar that Hurley first ate when they found the food in the hatch and a reference to another ancient god.

What was the point of Sun finding Charlie's Drive Shaft ring in Aaron's cot? Or was there no point to it apart from to usher in the flashback?

Why did the compass rust and if so will it eventually crumble to dust as it journeys round and round in its infinite time loop?

Who built the pendulum room?

There are more, but these are all I can think of for now.

[Rayn]

so what was so important about going back to give Jack a chocolate bar/Sawyer a pen (which i'm guessing will have later significance - "you can keep it")

If you rewatch the scenes with Jacob visiting the losties, you'll notice that he touches every single one of them, so the chocolate/pen thingy was most likely just an excuse to be able to touch them without coming by as a paedo/pervert.

[squirtle]

Yeah, I saw the touching part, but to what end?

[DarthSquirrel]

If you rewatch the scenes with Jacob visiting the losties, you'll notice that he touches every single one of them, so the chocolate/pen thingy was most likely just an excuse to be able to touch them without coming by as a paedo/pervert.

I dunno, If I was the shopkeeper in the young Kate scene I'd be calling the cops about a Paedo.

Anyway, that goes some way to answering my question I suppose - Jacob HAD to go to 'touch' these people rather than just getting Richard/another to do the seemingly trivial actions (chocolate bar).

[Fireproofradiator]

so adam and eve must be

jacob and his nemesis

Rose and Bernard I reckon. I think the fact that they've managed to find a way to live in peace with the island is important - they pretty much turn the black and white into a harmonious ying and yang.

For me, the candy bar was all about the 'sometimes you just need a little push' line from Jacob, which (again for me), was telling Jack to chill out about his Dad. Again, imo, the pen was to enable Sawyer to write his letter to his folks, which is the first step on his journey to becoming Sawyer. By the end of the ep he's saying he's no longer La Fleur...

I'm not sure that Jacob is all good or Jacob's enemy all bad tho. Smokie (or at least one representation of him - there's also the 'eye of the island' version Locke sees that he says is beautuful) judges and destroys those it feels are unworthy, while Jacob lets women get run over...

Could Hurley's talent somehow bring back the other Locke?

It's still a great, great show, even if ending with the flash, as opposed to the leaping off points of the previous seasons - 'they're off the island', 'Penelope's found them' makes me worried they haven't actually decided what the hell happens next...

[roskelld]

I was wondering if the negative logo at the end was a sign that things have fucked up... Lost has gone, for the first time, in an unexpected direction that no one is controlling.

As an audience we've all been taken on a roller coaster ride, the path set before us by a cast of characters and situations that were always doctored to be done for a reason, a higher and co-ordinated purpose.

But with the bomb going off it's broken that chain. The path, the loop, the future is going to change for everyone, meaning that in the sixth season it's every man for himself.

I'm kinda thinking t

I've also been pondering the idea that the bomb went off, dislodging the time line and putting people back on the plane, reviving the cast for the final season, but with the added bonus that they still know what they did.

The problem there is getting all the passengers back, and somehow making Walt a child again.

[Rayn]

I dunno, If I was the shopkeeper in the young Kate scene I'd be calling the cops about a Paedo.

I dunno, it seems Jacob have unsurpassed persuasive skills. Remember when he visited Alyana (or whatever that portugese chick was named) in the hospital. Even though he was a stranger to her, she agreed to help him. All he did was to ask.

[Anne Summers]

One thing I don't understand - Jacob and his nemesis hate each other, this much we know. However, the Others are connected to both Jacob and the smoke monster/the temple complex where it lives.

So how can we be so sure the smoke monster is Jacob's nemesis?

Yeah this is puzzling, but I'm sure it will be explained.

It is weird though, that we know some of the Others are still waiting at the Temple, where smokey lives, and the Others seemed to be living there as well during Dharma times, and they use its powers to heal child Ben.

[Rayn]

Thinking about the ending of the finale, I doubt the bomb went off, but if it did, it probably didn't do a lot of damage. I'm basing this on the fact that dr Chang lost his hand, and we know from the early recruitment videos that he had a hand missing, so the guys on the surface must've survived?

[Anne Summers]

An interesting thing I've just found out about the videogame Via Domus - which I played a little but got bored of very quickly and traded in - in that game, you get to see inside the "Incident room" - which is apparently based on secret designs shown by the writers to the game developers (according to Lostpedia). The room is underground but not massively deep - just a bit lower than the rest of the Swan. It's got computers and a reactor thing, and is obviously a functioning facility or lab of some kind. So if this is going to be part of the storyline, perhaps it's something that exists already - a secret experiment that Dharma have got going on in the 70s, but hardly any of them know about - the "inner circle" thing or whatever, within Dharma, that one of them got told about recently. All the videos and other information we have got, says that the Incident occurred after the Swan was built, and research had commenced. They don't say that the Incident happened DURING construction of the Swan.

So if that's the case, the next season will start with Dharma or whoever, struggling to contain the effects of drilling into the core and the atomic blast, from the Incident Room.

[roskelld]

If the bomb didn't go off, does that mean Sayid is dead? Ok, so we didn't see him die, but he said that he couldn't be saved.

Kinda feels like a cop out if nothing happens, I can't believe that it hasn't brought some sort of revelation about, maybe other than the fact that it's always happened that way.

[Broker]

What was the point of Sun finding Charlie's Drive Shaft ring in Aaron's cot? Or was there no point to it apart from to usher in the flashback?

I took it as a nod to charlie and claire and a little resolution given that it was charlies dying gift to aaron and was left behind.

I dunno, it seems Jacob have unsurpassed persuasive skills. Remember when he visited Alyana (or whatever that portugese chick was named) in the hospital. Even though he was a stranger to her, she agreed to help him. All he did was to ask.

I though it made it pretty obvious they already knew each other in that scene?

Yeah, I saw the touching part, but to what end?

Infecting them with TEH N@NOBTOZZZ

[Pob]

If the bomb didn't go off, does that mean Sayid is dead? Ok, so we didn't see him die, but he said that he couldn't be saved.

Maybe Jacob touching the Losties up protects them in some way. Other than Locke, of course, who just gets strangled to death by a mere mortal after being magically revived, having his legs fixed and a gunshot wound healed.