Lost - The Full Series Thread

[letsbook]

Fuck the haters. I loved it. Lost finales rock...

[Ork1927]

After a bit of time to mull over it - what do we think has happened?

Was the bomb always going to go off and nothing has changed.

Was it going to go off, but Jacob being 'dead' means everything could change?

Or are all bets off and we are going to have a new timeline caused by the bomb?

[dr_lha]

After a bit of time to mull over it - what do we think has happened?

Was the bomb always going to go off and nothing has changed.

Was it going to go off, but Jacob being 'dead' means everything could change?

Or are all bets off and we are going to have a new timeline caused by the bomb?

Could be any of those things, but

I don't see how Jacob being killed could affect anything as it happened in the present. I would suggest that the whole "they're coming" thing would suggest that the present has not changed, otherwise what's the point of forshadowing something that could be changed if the entire timeline is reset? After all if the reset switch is pressed, then the events that lead to Jacob being killed never happened.

Honestly though, I have no clue where they're going with the final season, and that's what made this finale pretty frustrating.

[hereticboy]

Meh.

Kicked off well, I thought. The first 45 minutes were enjoyable enough, but the second seemed to drag on forever. All that dialogue. Don't get me wrong, it was good for character progression, but it felt like it was there just to drag the episode out so they could end on Juliette blowing everything up. The smokey (presumably) and Jacob stuff I'd seen coming a couple of episodes back, and I found it a bit clumsy then. When they revealed Locke's body I was practically shouting at the screen because they'd been signposting it for what felt like ages. I wanted a proper revelation out of it, not just confirmation of something they already pretty much told us.

Other than that, it'll do I suppose.

I liked Jacob being involved in people's history. I also like the way that smokey was the one to make Richard trust Locke, and to make him die etc so that he could 'be' Locke in order to get Jacob killed. I quite liked Jacob though, and it seems a shame to have him die so soon after he was introduced as a proper person.

[Straps]

What's the best site out there for the ultra-nerdy easter egss/theories and stuff like that? I wanna know what all the Latin meant.

[Rudi von Starnberg]

The Latin was

Ille qui nos omnes servabit - he who will protect/save us all

.

[Goose]

What's the best site out there for the ultra-nerdy easter egss/theories and stuff like that? I wanna know what all the Latin meant.

Lostpedia is pretty damn extensive.

[Festoon]

So basically, Jacob is life and Smokey is death,

right?

[Rudi von Starnberg]

"Two players. One is light, one is dark."

[DC Lemon]

I found myself shouting "oh you fucking cunts" at the end. Why would they leave us hanging like that??!?!

Seriously? Seriously? It's called a cliffhanger. It's what they're supposed to do. Don't worry, if my past experience is anything to go by, you'll have stopped caring about it by tomorrow and the next season will be around before you know it.

[hoot]

So the guy on the beach at the start (Silas from Deadwood in case anyone was wondering) is Smokey how? I don't quite get how people are coming to that conclusion.

MASSIVE tease to end it on, it's going to be such a long wait till the last season now, still, it's been an absolutely brilliant series, probably the most consistent yet I would say.

Lost

[JohnC]

When does the next season start?

[hoot]

February I think?

[hereticboy]

So the guy on the beach at the start (Silas from Deadwood in case anyone was wondering) is Smokey how? I don't quite get how people are coming to that conclusion.

MASSIVE tease to end it on, it's going to be such a long wait till the last season now, still, it's been an absolutely brilliant series, probably the most consistent yet I would say.

Lost

The last few episodes have been hinting at Locke being smokey. Locke disappearing whenever smokey appeared, 'Dead is dead. Nobody comes back from that', Richard telling Locke that he seemed 'different'. Then mix in Locke wanting to kill Jacob, and the heiroglyphs(sp) showing smokey and Anubis being enemies. Then you get a guy at the beginning wanting to kill Jacob, and going on about searching for a loophole. Then at the end Jacob telling 'Locke' that he finally found his loophole etc. And Locke really being dead in a box the whole time. And a 'subtle' hint from the fact that he was dressed in black and had black hair.

They certainly could've been a fair bit more subtle about it, IMO.

[Elliott]

Finale spoilers, with some theorising on posts here.

I think the loophole is more than you're guessing. I can buy into the current Locke as smokey thing in the same way Christian was but maybe the loophole is a double thing and Locke is just a little misplaced in time. I keep thinking back to the incident where he told Alpert to rescue his time shifting self and wondering.

Jacob's name has obvious significance too. I want to know the significance in all the flashbacks and how that will unravel.

I seriously don't think the bomb will take out the island/inhabitants, Alpert apparently needs to see them die. Don't think it'll fulfill what Faraday predicted. I think the flash of white light has significance, and I think some of the S2 hatch stuff will start coming full circle and we'll get a lot of lengthy exposition stuff between Hugo and Chang about the numbers. Radzinsky still needs to take up position in the Swan, draw the map and blow his brains out. We just saw the incident so the Swan must be up soon.

Nice to see Chang's arm go actually, allows us to place the orientation videos.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Barracks_video

What do you make of the timing of this? Production slip up probably but I like stuff like that.

Also, shit, who'd a thunk Jacob owned Chelsea FC?

RAMBLE RAMBLE RAMBLE

[Rudi von Starnberg]

Fake-Locke got Richard to tell real Locke that he had to die in order to bring everyone back to the island. Assuming that fake Locke is an 'impersonation' by the smoke monster (just like Rousseau's compatriots and Christian and Eko's brother Yemi and so on), and that the smoke monster can only impersonate the dead (see previous brackets) then he was telling Locke to die so that he could impersonate him and gain access to Jacob.

The smoke monster being Jacob's enemy is also pointed at by the frescoes in the smoke monster's temple, as hereticboy says. The smoke monster is shown confronting a god which appears to be Sobek (wikipedia link), who is greatly associated with Jacob in the show - the statue is of Sobek and his attributes fit Jacob's own actions.

There is also the possibility of there having been TWO smoke monsters, or similar. When Locke comes face to face with the monster in S1, we see it from the monster's perspective and Locke gets lit up. He later describes it to Eko as being like a very bright light, and benign-feeling - Eko says that this is not what he saw, and certainly most times we see the smoke monster it's a nasty piece of work and definitely not a bright light. Could it be that both Jacob and his enemy are 'smoke monsters', but that one of them is evil and taking a bigger role in what we've seen so far? Definitely possible. But also it could be as nonsensical as the nanobots.

[hereticboy]

I reckon there's just one smokey, and it was trying to entice Locke into the mysteries of the island etc. Maybe it knew Locke would be the one it would use to kill Jacob?

I like the idea of these two nearly all-knowing cunts, and all the characters in the show basically knowing fuck all in the grand scale of things. Everything just being the result of the feud between Jacob and smokey. Like Richard not actually knowing anything when he told Locke he had to die etc.

[Droo]

somehow I think hurley will be the antithesis of the Locke storyline. He'll somehow be Jacob's emissary. Freewill, choice, the numbers, being 'blessed' etc.

also, what was the signifance of the broken circle of ash around the cabin?

[hoot]

The last few episodes have been hinting at Locke being smokey. Locke disappearing whenever smokey appeared, 'Dead is dead. Nobody comes back from that', Richard telling Locke that he seemed 'different'. Then mix in Locke wanting to kill Jacob, and the heiroglyphs(sp) showing smokey and Anubis being enemies. Then you get a guy at the beginning wanting to kill Jacob, and going on about searching for a loophole. Then at the end Jacob telling 'Locke' that he finally found his loophole etc. And Locke really being dead in a box the whole time. And a 'subtle' hint from the fact that he was dressed in black and had black hair.

They certainly could've been a fair bit more subtle about it, IMO.

I understand that (and agree), but I don't get how that extends to the other random guy on the beach with Jacob at the start.

[dr_lha]

somehow I think hurley will be the antithesis of the Locke storyline. He'll somehow be Jacob's emissary. Freewill, choice, the numbers, being 'blessed' etc.

also, what was the signifance of the broken circle of ash around the cabin?

A visual reference to a "Loophole" maybe.

[Tom*]

also, what was the signifance of the broken circle of ash around the cabin?

I thought it was just a gap Smokey could sneak through, as the ash had previously kept him from entering the cabin. Maybe he just blew the ash out the way and then used the cabin for ages. Sneaky! Maybe it's not that simple though.

Another example of smokey orchestrating stuff - I guess he appeared as Alex to tell Ben to do as Locke says, basically making sure Ben will kill Jacob when he tells him to later.

And it's quite minor but Razinsky has to survive to be in the Swan pushing the button, so the blast surely can't have killed everyone around there. Or he survived for some other reason.

[Blu3Flame]

The only bit I'm confused about is -

If Locke is Smokey, why did he go to the trouble of trying to summon the monster instead of just heading straight for the temple.

[hereticboy]

I understand that (and agree), but I don't get how that extends to the other random guy on the beach with Jacob at the start.

Well,

The line about the loophole, mostly. The guy at the beginning says "Sooner or later, I'm going to find a loophole", then at the end Jacob says to smokey-Locke that "you've finally found your loophole". I'm paraphrasing that last line, but it was definitely something like that. It's a simple link to make, I reckon. That and both the guy at the beginning and smokey-Locke want to kill Jacob, and can't do it themselves. Quite rational to assume it's the same person, and we 'know' that Locke is smokey.

Edit -

In other news, I don't see the timeline changing, at least not drastically. The timeline in which everything always happened, Jacob tells smokey that "they're coming", setting up a thread for next season to follow. There's no point in putting that in there if the timeline's going to change anyway. Unless we're now dealing with multiple timelines....

[dr_lha]

The only bit I'm confused about is -

If Locke is Smokey, why did he go to the trouble of trying to summon the monster instead of just heading straight for the temple.

I assume he was just letting Ben pull his usual parlour tricks, to both humour him and not let on that something odd was happening.

[Anne Summers]

Well,

The line about the loophole, mostly. The guy at the beginning says "Sooner or later, I'm going to find a loophole", then at the end Jacob says to smokey-Locke that "you've finally found your loophole". I'm paraphrasing that last line, but it was definitely something like that. It's a simple link to make, I reckon. That and both the guy at the beginning and smokey-Locke want to kill Jacob, and can't do it themselves. Quite rational to assume it's the same person, and we 'know' that Locke is smokey.

Yeah. That, and the fact that Smokey obviously has control over dead people on the island - we've seen him appear as Yemi, Christian, The young guy that got killed in the first season climbing up to get to the plane, Walt... possibly Claire... and now Locke. He can obviously somehow appear as people who die on the island.

Amazing episode. Loved the way everything seemed to fall into place bit by bit as I was watching it, and by the end I was going "AAAARG! Of course! the whole thing has been basically about a massive ages-old rivalry between Smokey and Jacob!"

[hereticboy]

What I want to know is why they had to kill Jacob so soon after properly introducing him. He was awesome, going by the flashbacks.

Edit - I'm alright to go without spoilers after 8, right?

[cassidy]

What I want to know is why they had to kill Jacob so soon after properly introducing him. He was awesome, going by the flashbacks.

Edit - I'm alright to go without spoilers after 8, right?

Just because he's dead doesnt me we wont be seeing lots more of him in S6.

[Anne Summers]

What I want to know is why they had to kill Jacob so soon after properly introducing him. He was awesome, going by the flashbacks.

Edit - I'm alright to go without spoilers after 8, right?

Yeah tags aren't needed from 8.

He was clearly a pretty awesome guy but I'm betting we haven't seen the last of him.

Back to Locke=Smokey - It could, I suppose, just as easily be that what we call Smokey is just one aspect of Jacob's rival. Or something Jacob's rival controls. It seems certain that Jacob and smokey are on opposing sides though, whatever.

[hereticboy]

Well he had a body in the Black Rock days, so we can assume that smokey is part of his powers/whatever, or that something mental happened and he is now the smoke monster.

I hope the whole "they're coming" bit is better than a whole season of overt Jacob vs Smokey/Antagonist fighting. Who could be so important that Jacob has to warn his rival of their arrival?

[squirtle]

Remember back in the first season, Smokey had hold of Locke and tried to drag him down. I wonder if it knew then that he wanted him dead so he could impersonate him. Or something.

Anyway, don't assume the bomb went off. All that happened was that the screen turned white and the music reached a crescendo. It doesn't mean she managed to set it off.

Loved Miles' cocksure bit about saying had they thought that what if Jack was about to cause the incident etc. Great. Rose and Bernard. Ace. Jacob and Smokey wearing black and white at the beginning.

Oh, and also, dead is dead. If so, how did Jacob bring Locke back to life after he was pushed through the window and did his back in?

Lots of stuff to ruminate over. A great season end. Can't believe we've got nine months to wait now. Gah!