Lost - The Full Series Thread

[Rudi von Starnberg]

[mercenarri]

Haha, I meant the past before his life, kinda thing. How else would Sun meet with Jin without Jin being very old?

[Pob]

Haha, I meant the past before his life, kinda thing. How else would Sun meet with Jin without Jin being very old?

Desmond can only 'see' things that will happen/have happened to him - he can't see stuff that he's not present for, which presumably means he can't experience stuff from before he was born. Crucially, he also seems to be able to change things when his conciousness shifts about, which shouldn't be allowed according to Faraday.

I thinks it's safe to assume that the 1977 losties will get back to the present somehow. Although it would be interesting if it was revealed they never time travelled again, and are living somewhere off-island in their sixties!

[Sprite Machine]

Do you think that Miles' ability was caused by The Incident?

[mercenarri]

We're still waiting for the incident to happen for our 1977 Losties, right? I would take a guess that if they were ever to return to present day, the incident would be the thing that does it.

Its hinted at the very start of the season where Faraday turns up at the Orchid where they're digging. Dig any further and something bad will happen, I take it that bad thing is the incident.

[drewthmsn]

We're still waiting for the incident to happen for our 1977 Losties, right? I would take a guess that if they were ever to return to present day, the incident would be the thing that does it.

Its hinted at the very start of the season where Faraday turns up at the Orchid where they're digging. Dig any further and something bad will happen, I take it that bad thing is the incident.

I was thinking about this the other day - the 'incident' could even be Dharma's discovery that Jack and co are from the future (maybe via Farraday). I guess this will coincide with the discovery and turning of the time-wheel at the Orchid, setting the island moving through time again and sending the losties back to the future.

[PK]

the Incident is related to the Swan station though, isn't it? it's cited as the reason for having to enter the numbers every 108 minutes in the orientation video.

[Goose]

I think The Swan was created to stop a reoccurrance of the incident?

[Blu3Flame]

Goose: But they are making The Swan at the moment and the incident hasn't happened yet.

[Pob]

I tended to assume that 'the incident' is related to the Swan and the pocket of electromagnetism it's built around. But the opening scene of this season and the time-travel focus lends weight to the idea that it's to do with the Orchid station.

[Tom*]

Maybe it wasn't the Swan's original purpose, but after the Incident that's what it was used for...or something...I dunno

[Goose]

Goose: But they are making The Swan at the moment and the incident hasn't happened yet.

At this point it's safe to assume I've not thought this through

[Pob]

Maybe it wasn't the Swan's original purpose, but after the Incident that's what it was used for...or something...I dunno

I assume it was built to study the electromagnetic anomaly on which it was built (just like the Orchid was built to study the time-bending properties there), but after the incident its sole purpose became to prevent some kind of EM catastrophe.

Another thing I keep wondering about - who made the supply drop outside the Swan station back in season 2, during the lockdown? The Dharma Initiative seems to be long gone by that point, yet someone is still dropping Dharma-branded goods down for the people who were pressing the button. Seems like some element of Dharma is still in existence years after the purge - perhaps Chang is involved?

[whizzo]

Fuuuuck completly forgot about that! good point!

[Sponge]

Who/when was it said that the number pushing was just a social experiement? I think it was in one of the videos they watched in our of the other hatches.

[cantonarv]

I assume it was built to study the electromagnetic anomaly on which it was built (just like the Orchid was built to study the time-bending properties there), but after the incident its sole purpose became to prevent some kind of EM catastrophe.

Another thing I keep wondering about - who made the supply drop outside the Swan station back in season 2, during the lockdown? The Dharma Initiative seems to be long gone by that point, yet someone is still dropping Dharma-branded goods down for the people who were pressing the button. Seems like some element of Dharma is still in existence years after the purge - perhaps Chang is involved?

No those air drops are a continuous loop

[Pob]

Who/when was it said that the number pushing was just a social experiement? I think it was in one of the videos they watched in our of the other hatches.

That was a red herring. It turned out the people tasked with observing the button-pushers were in fact themselves the subject of a social experiment. The tube they were told to put their observations into (in the Pearl station, I think) actually lead nowehere - they found the exit to this tube and a huge pile of unread notebook capsules in the middle of a field.

Locke believed the Pearl orientation video and concluded that pushing the button was pointless, but soon realised his mistake.

No those air drops are a continuous loop

Umm...care to explain that?

[mercenarri]

The food drop was probably something to do with the time it takes to get to the Island, something much longer than Faraday's rocket experiment. I think Dharma made their supply drop in the seventies and we only just saw it land in season one (or was it two?). They'll probably touch on that soon I'd expect, we might even know the pilot/crew who makes the drop in 1977 mode.

[Pob]

The food drop was probably something to do with the time it takes to get to the Island, something much longer than Faraday's rocket experiment. I think Dharma made their supply drop in the seventies and we only just saw it land in season one (or was it two?). They'll probably touch on that soon I'd expect, we might even know the pilot/crew who makes the drop in 1977 mode.

Yeah, that's a nice idea. Although, doing a bit of research, it seems the purge happened in 1992, meaning that the supply drop took at least 11 years to drop out of the sky! I'm sure they can explain it with some temporal technobabble, though.

[Tom*]

I reckon either the Others control the food drops now, or off-island Dharma still does. Or New Dharma.

Do we know anything about the Dharma HQ in Ann Arbor AFTER the purge? The Others had the submarine taken over etc....

[Goose]

Few things that I am sure were answered at some point or another -

Do we actually know Chang is dead? We know he loses an arm at some point, during we assume, the incident, but was he actually killed in the purge? Did we see a nametag amongst the corpses?

Do we actually know what started the purge off in the first place? Had the DI over stepped the mark too many times?

Do we ever find out why The Others (Ben etc) dressed the way they did even when they were living in the nice Dharma houses? I seem to recall at the end of S2 (3?) they were all camping out nicely, all for show. Did we know what that was about?

[Pob]

I reckon either the Others control the food drops now, or off-island Dharma still does. Or New Dharma.

Do we know anything about the Dharma HQ in Ann Arbor AFTER the purge? The Others had the submarine taken over etc....

I don't think we know anything of Dharma after the purge. Presumably it still exists in some capacity, perhaps more secretive than before and under a different name. I'm hoping we find this out soon.

[Pob]

Do we ever find out why The Others (Ben etc) dressed the way they did even when they were living in the nice Dharma houses? I seem to recall at the end of S2 (3?) they were all camping out nicely, all for show. Did we know what that was about?

You mean all skanky and shit? I just assumed that was to frighten the Losties and cover up the fact that there was a whole American-English speaking culture already on the island!

[Kramer]

You could order a food drop from the Flame Station, on Mikhail's computer if you remember.

You had to press 24, I think. Locke pressed another code, 77, though and blew up the Flame in the episode entitled "Enter 77"!

Ben said in another episode how his drop hadn't turned up.

[11 Herbs 'n' Spices]

Do we actually know Chang is dead? We know he loses an arm at some point, during we assume, the incident, but was he actually killed in the purge? Did we see a nametag amongst the corpses?

I reckon Chang loses his arm to those guys featured in the Jughead episode. Young Widmore's people threatened Juliet with something along the lines of "We'll cut off one hand to show we're serious, the other hand if you don't comply". I don't think it's too far fetched for Chang, a key figure in the time travel experiments, to do some time jumping and end up at in that time period. Also, the Jughead is bound to play a big role in The Incident.

[makkuwata]

I reckon Chang loses his arm to those guys featured in the Jughead episode. Young Widmore's people threatened Juliet with something along the lines of "We'll cut off one hand to show we're serious, the other hand if you don't comply".

I've been thinking along those lines. It was Widmore himself who made the threat, and he's still on the Island in 1977. It wouldn't surprise me if it's him that cuts it off.

[Sponge]

Although, doing a bit of research, it seems the purge happened in 1992...

Really? I thought Ben was still a young lad when it happened.

There's a whole load of stuff I've forgotten from the earlier seasons.

[CactuarBill]

Really? I thought Ben was still a young lad when it happened.

There's a whole load of stuff I've forgotten from the earlier seasons.

He wasn't that young, around 27 or something. Though it means he was only in his late thirties when we first met him, which don't seem right. Though with the whole time thing, god knows how old he should be.

[Goose]

Remember folks, no new episode last night/download today, just a Lost TV special.

[squirtle]

Really? I thought Ben was still a young lad when it happened.

There's a whole load of stuff I've forgotten from the earlier seasons.

Yeah, Ben (and the actor playing him as we know him - not young Ben) was in the van with his Dad drinking beer for his birthday when he gassed him. This was the van that Hurley and Charlie found later on.