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Speculation based on what has been on tv is fine. ITs when podcasts and leaks come into it it gets messy

Exactly. As long as the speculation isn't based on something you know to actually be a spoiler, then it's fine. It's half the fun!

But yes, no BSG spoiler in there please.

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We now know it's Anubis and also that the Island and smoke monster mystery is highly connected.

It's not Anubis, the ears are too short for anubis, they look like lions ears which would make it either bastet, sekhmet or maahes. Although it looks like a female figure the loincloth thing looks like a mens one so that would narrow it down to Maahes.

He's associated with war from what I can remember, but the interesting thing is that he's very heavily associated with his mother and I'm pretty sure his name means something to that effect.

It's not Set because he's wierd looking, he's got a long beak/nose and looks kind of like a bird or an anteater? He has tall ears too and the back of the statues head looks as though the head dress it's wearing either has the ears poking through it or it is a mane.

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The wall carving in this episode looks like Anubis is either offering the monster something or, more likley in my opinion, Anubis is holding out it's hand for the monster to deliver something to it, possibly the souls of those it judges or the memories it reads?

The likleyhood of Anubis being depicted as offering anything or not having power over the monster doesn't seem very likley, it's more probable that whomever carved it considered the monster and it's supernatural properities to be a bridge between humanity and the gods.

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It's not Anubis, the ears are too short for anubis, they look like lions ears which would make it either bastet, sekhmet or maahes. Although it looks like a female figure the loincloth thing looks like a mens one so that would narrow it down to Maahes.

Yes you're quite right, Maahes does appear to have the closest resemblance.

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Surely an Egyptologist could decipher some of this?

Smokey is likely to be Cerberus, considering the Blast Door Map and the head in the above pic looks similar. It also appears that smokey breaks, or has, three parts. the scanning, judging and watching (the wispy trails we sometimes see in the background). Plus it has appeared to join/break in three sections through the seasons.

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So do we think that the island resurrected Ben from his 'fatal' bullet wound when he was a kid? Is this part of the leadership selection process - allowing the island to bring you back from the dead to lead? This is why Richard tells Locke he has to die - as the final process in becoming their leader. This resurrection process for Ben and Locke seems to be different to the visions of other dead people (Claire, Alex, perhaps Christian), as they are properly brought back to life as flesh and blood people, rather than just appearing to individuals and saying cryptic things.

Maybe the selected leaders are immortal on the island. Ben developed his spinal tumor once his successor arrived on the island. He suddenly became mortal again.

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I have to say, if this does come down to a load of guff about gods, then I'll be disappointed. I thought they went on record back in season one saying it was all based on current scientific theories or principles, or something?

Don't do a BSG on us, please.

I don't think it'll be down to Gods, but I think the notion of what ancient civilisations thought was the work of Gods will be explained scientifically. If you see what I mean. Like ancient man thought a volcano was the Fiery God raining doom upon them, better off a few virgins to make him happy. That's what I'm expecting. The island was thought to be the work of gods back in ancient times, but now we can understand it better with our new fangled brains.

Anyway, does anyone know yet why the numbers in the swan would flick to those hieroglyphics after hitting zero, and why the Dharma Initiative would have built that in when they built it seeing as they're them same ones as in the temple?

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Surely an Egyptologist could decipher some of this?

Smokey is likely to be Cerberus, considering the Blast Door Map and the head in the above pic looks similar. It also appears that smokey breaks, or has, three parts. the scanning, judging and watching (the wispy trails we sometimes see in the background). Plus it has appeared to join/break in three sections through the seasons.

There's a guy at the fselage who's looking at them, from the sounds of it they're written unusually. They're in cursive which would normally only be used for writing on papyrus and as such are harder to decipher on the carving.

The idea of it splitting into three/having three parts ties pretty neatly to the name Cerberus as well.

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So are we taking the amazing bedroom conversation between Ben and Widmore ("you broke the rules") to now be referring to Charles having a daughter with an off-islander, not some other amazing set of island rules.

Oh and is the title "dead is dead" trying to tell us Locke is actually dead, and the island's using his image, like with Christian...and Claire is dead too?

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The more I think about Desmond, the more I reckon he is the key to what's happening this season - the whole "you must get everyone back to the island" thing. People keep saying that they weren't "supposed" to leave. I think the changes that Des made thanks to his time-travelling mind have had a bigger impact on events that we've been lead to believe.

It's pretty clear that no-one except Des can do anything differently to how time is meant to unfold. We've seen that Des can do things differently (such as going to meet Faraday in Oxford years before they go to the island - watching The Constant again it's clear that this meeting didn't 'originally' happen. Faraday doesn't remember the meeting until the end of the ep, when he sees a reference to Desmond written in his journal, implying that it just 'appeared').

In season 3, Des was pretty instrumental in getting people off the island. He used his visions of the future to keep Charlie alive for long enough for him to switch off the jamming beacon in the underwater station. Perhaps the Others would have 'won' if it wasn't for Charlie's actions here? Also, in The Constant, it's safe to assume his time travelling mind is responsible for contacting Penny from the freighter, which allows her to send out a rescue boat and pick up Jack etc in their little dinghy.

So I reckon that Jack, Kate, Hurley etc leaving the island is a major deviation from the timeline - one that was only possible thanks to Desmond's special time-changing abilities. Getting them back is a major case of 'course correction'. I also think that the changes he made (or will make in future eps, perhaps in an attempt to save Penny's life) will either 1) put all humanity at risk 2) be used to save all humanity. Or maybe just the island.

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So are we taking the amazing bedroom conversation between Ben and Widmore ("you broke the rules") to now be referring to Charles having a daughter with an off-islander, not some other amazing set of island rules.

Oh and is the title "dead is dead" trying to tell us Locke is actually dead, and the island's using his image, like with Christian...and Claire is dead too?

For me the signs point to Locke actually being alive, not least Alex/Smokie's warning not to kill him again.

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So I reckon that Jack, Kate, Hurley etc leaving the island is a major deviation from the timeline - one that was only possible thanks to Desmond's special time-changing abilities. Getting them back is a major case of 'course correction'.

That makes no sense because everything about them leaving/returning has been 100% integral to the island's timeline. Ben turning the wheel and the wacky adventures through time are all directly connected to leaving/returning (which was all triggered from Charlie's death I suppose). That can't be a deviation because we've already seen the consequences (e.g. Ben being healed by the island and starting his path to the Dark side).

Edit: I think angel says this a couple of posts up

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That makes no sense because everything about them leaving/returning has been 100% integral to the island's timeline. Ben turning the wheel and the wacky adventures through time are all directly connected to leaving/returning (which was all triggered from Charlie's death I suppose). That can't be a deviation because we've already seen the consequences (e.g. Ben being healed by the island and starting his path to the Dark side).

Edit: I think angel says this a couple of posts up

Hmm, I guess it would end up tying them in knots, given the amount of stuff that has happened as a direct result of people getting off the island. It does seem a little odd that these people were 'supposed' to get to the island in the first place, then 'supposed' to be rescued, then 'supposed' to come back three years later.

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Yes you're quite right, Maahes does appear to have the closest resemblance.

monster-hieroglyphs.jpg

Surely an Egyptologist could decipher some of this?

Smokey is likely to be Cerberus, considering the Blast Door Map and the head in the above pic looks similar. It also appears that smokey breaks, or has, three parts. the scanning, judging and watching (the wispy trails we sometimes see in the background). Plus it has appeared to join/break in three sections through the seasons.

Surely Cerberus is of Greek/Roman origin? Has there been references to Greek mythology I've missed?

EDIT: Ah I see it was mentioned on the door! Never mind.

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Someone mentioned this name to me. Having read the tiniest bits of information about him, it seems pretty clear he has at least something to do with it all.

Sure looks like this could explain it all! where'd you hear it from?

i genuinely not worried how it all pans out. i like lost enough to forgive a few loose ends and the odd bit of head-scratching. it's been a faithful friend for the past few years.

unlike 24... which has turned into a farce.

oh, and continued thanks to those people in this thread who continually sort out all the confused lostie thoughts in my head.

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This Rolling Stone interview with Lindelof and Cuse is interesting for anyone who, like me, is loving Lost more than ever:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/273...steries_of_lost

This is the most interesting bit:

The true turning point for Lost came in May 2007, when Cuse and Lindelof persuaded ABC to let them end the series with its sixth season. "Before that," says Cuse, "the problem was we had this mythology that we'd built but we didn't know if it had to last two seasons or nine seasons, and it was utterly paralyzing. We didn't know how fast we needed to dole out our storytelling." Actually, the problem might have been a little worse than that. "Over the course of the first three years," Lindelof adds, "the pervasive sort of thinking about the show — even if you were a fan of it — was, ?This show is going to fuck me. No offense, we love the show, but we don't trust you.' By negotiating the endpoint, and by ABC allowing us to do fewer episodes per season, it allowed us to make the storytelling a lot more intensive."

The setting of an end-date had such a positive effect on the show. I assume they negotiated that around the time they were writing the second half of season three, because it suddenly goes from a bit stale and boring to mega-exciting, and hasn't let up since.

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Sure looks like this could explain it all! where'd you hear it from?

i genuinely not worried how it all pans out. i like lost enough to forgive a few loose ends and the odd bit of head-scratching. it's been a faithful friend for the past few years.

unlike 24... which has turned into a farce.

oh, and continued thanks to those people in this thread who continually sort out all the confused lostie thoughts in my head.

The next episode is called Some Like It Hoth.

See what they did there?

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The next episode is called Some Like It Hoth.

See what they did there?

You know what, it wouldn't at all surprise me that now people are catching on to the mythology of what's happening on the island they're reacting by naming the episodes accordingly.

I love the way they swapped episode orders and stuff like that. Feels like a show which is very much in tune with what people who watch it are saying about it and wanting to happen, etc.

Good work, chaps. Good work indeed.

Still wondering how it's going to end though. I've not heard one suggestion that 'feels' right. Hopefully they'll manage to keep it secret and unguessable right until the bitter (sweet?) end.

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