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The Traitors - best reality TV show for a long time

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2 hours ago, therearerules said:

I got partway through episode 1 and turned it off. It's mafiascum/ werewolf but without the rules that make it work and just money instead.

 

Also just finished The Mole on Netflix which does the job infinitely better.

 

You've answered a question for me, thanks. After hearing The Traitors described by my wife I'd wondered if it was some scum-like. I'm not sure what you mean when you say it has "no rules" though?

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As I'm sure you know, social deduction games generally work because your own survival is essentially insignificant for the teams survival. Good players should be happy to sacrifice themselves for the greater good, and evil players want the other evil players to survive. With this every single role is 'Survivor' as dead/banished players get nothing. There's also no roles, and no incentive for the traitors to fail the tasks, meaning there's nothing to go off.

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On 02/12/2022 at 09:53, therearerules said:

Seriously, any TV company could make a show like this, add in extra roles, make it so the winning team shares the money even if eliminated, and it would actually work.

Yeah at the moment (I'm only 2 episodes in) there is literally nothing for them to base their banishment on. Needs some element of the traitors trying to lose the tasks. Also a lot of people on this who are very easy to dislike. 

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I'm enjoying this but I agree it needs some refinement. It makes me laugh when the contestants say they're sure they know who the traitor is or are shocked when the banished turns out to be a faithful. It's 100 percent guesswork as the format stands.

 

The Mole worked better because the mole actively had to sabotage tasks so the others had something to go on.

 

 

 

 

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On 02/12/2022 at 06:55, therearerules said:

I got partway through episode 1 and turned it off. It's mafiascum/ werewolf but without the rules that make it work and just money instead.

 

Also just finished The Mole on Netflix which does the job infinitely better.

 

Agree with every part of this post.

 

The other big issue with The Traitors is the editing. It needed to be cut by a third. Parts of it are just so boring. 

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9 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

Also I can't be alone in thinking it a bit odd that some people are hugging each other and crying about people they have literally known for 2 days? I'd find it hard to be anything other than indifferent about any of them. 

Yeah this is what I was saying to my other half. It’s a game show, how can you be that upset at people going who you’ve known for so little time. People have to leave so you can have a winner. The lack of seemingly rational thought bewilders me. 
 

And yeah as @Timmo said, the editing needs serious work, this could be 40mins an episode easily if not shorter. 

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I watched a bit by accident the other night, it’s rubbish.

 

I did find it very interesting that most of the white people had a feeling the two brown people were ‘traitors’ for some reason - they should make a programme about why that was instead.

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4 hours ago, ZOK said:

I watched a bit by accident the other night, it’s rubbish.

 

I did find it very interesting that most of the white people had a feeling the two brown people were ‘traitors’ for some reason - they should make a programme about why that was instead.

To give them the benefit of the doubt - the two people they picked on also seemed to be the only two who were acting like normal people. I.e. they weren't immediately declaring how much they loved the others and crying about any of them leaving. 

The woman they eventually got rid of seemed to be picked purely because she shouted at them on the task. 

Anyway I'll stick it out until the end...

Hopefully they refine it and get to do a second series but it feels like that would just be The Mole? 

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On 02/12/2022 at 00:41, choddo said:

Watching this with my daughter the last 3 evenings. Absolutely quality TV.

 

More like a game show / escape room / whodunnit really. I think it’s great.

 

I really like it, perhaps I'm missing some of the sophistication of other game types but I'm having a lot of fun. I did note, uncomfortably, some of the initial suspicions against non-white people. I do think the traitors are playing a good game and they are reasonably looking out for each other.

 

Because I haven't studied this game type, at all, I have no idea what the end game is and who wins and how. If one of you purists, no real disparagement meant here, wants to deconstruct how this plays out and which side wins and how, then I am genuinely interested.

 

I think the games cause deliberate bonding, as opposed to the literal opposite, which makes picking out actual traitors harder.

 

If this is the gateway drug, then isn't this the way to attract an audience into more sophistication, in future series?

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On 02/12/2022 at 06:55, therearerules said:

I got partway through episode 1 and turned it off. It's mafiascum/ werewolf but without the rules that make it work and just money instead.

 

Also just finished The Mole on Netflix which does the job infinitely better.

Not seen that. Will have to check it out.

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On 02/12/2022 at 09:48, therearerules said:

As I'm sure you know, social deduction games generally work because your own survival is essentially insignificant for the teams survival. Good players should be happy to sacrifice themselves for the greater good, and evil players want the other evil players to survive. With this every single role is 'Survivor' as dead/banished players get nothing. There's also no roles, and no incentive for the traitors to fail the tasks, meaning there's nothing to go off.

Yeah the lack of incentive for the traitors to mess up the games is definitely missing but I quite like how it makes them harder to spot.

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On 06/12/2022 at 08:14, Junker said:

I was interested to see this but then there was a shot of 2 contestants talking conspiratorialy that was so obviously set up - it was like watching Made in Chelsea or something, and it spoilt it for me. 


I’m not sure how many are set up. It doesn’t spoil it though. Can’t take it that seriously. Like the reveal last night, you could see how the mechanics of that were manipulated by the producers and so did one of the contestants.

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Yeah, about to go into episode 6 and my worry is there’s only two people 

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Alex and Amos

who appear to have any critical thinking skills so if they go the traitors will coast it and the interest will wane. It’s unfortunate that the game pivots around getting rid of the people who are the most dangerous/interesting.

 

EDIT: Episode 6 🧐

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