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Open question to you all, does this feel better or worse than the Euros final?

 

For me, the Euros final was worse, not just because of what was at stake in that game, but because Italy really felt there for the taking but Southgate was bested tactically that night. Whereas as this game just felt like it was fine margins and there wasn't much more they could've done. That's a positive and shows an evolution of the team, I think.

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Gutting in the end. Thought Bellingham was anonymous, great shot aside, and lay off to Saka, all the play was on the right and Henderson was on that side, the left was ignored the entire first half, Foden came over to the right just to get on the ball. All the hate people have for other teams I have for France because they don't maximise their talent, they only tried once England scored, is it necessary for Deschamps to clearly send them out to target Saka. You wouldn't think they were world champions. 

 

England were the better team but given how often France disrupted attacks it's hard to know what other chances we could have created. Ref was shit but can't feel robbed with two penalties. 

 

Itv presenter saying 'it was a great opportunity with Morocco in the semi final', I think we need to drop that view, they've beaten Spain and Portugal, why do we think they'd be easier. Drop it because it's always supposing you have to sneak your way to the final. It's about time England transition to thinking they can out play these teams. 

 

I didn't expect Kane to score the second penalty tbh, I don't expect a player to be able to score a second penalty. Aluko said Lloris being his team mate got into his head but apparently he doesn't take penalties against Lloris in training. I know no one in a million years would expect another player to step up other than Kane, and not Maguire, but he did score the best penalty ever and that technique didn't come from nowhere. I think going the same corner you know the keeper knows but trying to go as high and tight as possible is a mistake. Maguire had a good game, he was up for it and dangerous on corners and if it did go to penalties I'd expect him to score again, unless the euro final was a total one off.

 

I didn't expect Messi to score his second penalty last night either, except he had a penalty saving mad man already putting him at ease saving them, not the same pressure as 10 minutes from time. 

 

I don't think Bellingham was supporting up field anywhere near as much as I think he should have, I don't agree with taking Saka and Foden off for that reason, but there's no penalty with Mount's run right..can't suppose Saka is making that run/has the energy to. 

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3 minutes ago, Gabe said:

Open question to you all, does this feel better or worse than the Euros final?

 

For me, the Euros final was worse, not just because of what was at stake in that game, but because Italy really felt there for the taking but Southgate out bested tactically that jight. Whereas as this game just felt like it was fine margins and there wasn't much more they could've done. That's a positive and shows an evolution of the team, I think.

 

Euro exit in the final was worse

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2 minutes ago, Gabe said:

Open question to you all, does this feel better or worse than the Euros final?

I'm not particularly bothered about tonight. This whole World Cup just didn't have the feeling of being a 'World Cup'. I think the Euro loss was much, much worse than this.

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Euros was worse. England sat back and let Italy beat come onto then. Tonight England were on at the same level as France, didn’t fall apart after conceding and were fine margins away from getting a result. Southgate has a contract until the end of the next Euros, hopefully he stays on until then.

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2 minutes ago, layten said:

I'm not particularly bothered about tonight. This whole World Cup just didn't have the feeling of being a 'World Cup'. I think the Euro loss was much, much worse than this.

This is about where I am with it all, too.

 

This whole tournament can probably be summed up with a lot of really, really bad matches and pretty poor quality overall, saved by some absolutely extraordinary late drama. And watching it whilst it is - 5 outside just feels wrong.

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14 minutes ago, feltmonkey said:

You know, I kind of can believe it.

 

The pressure of a World Cup penalty does strange things to a player. We've seen some of the best players ever go to pieces when talking an important penalty in a World Cup knock out match. Baggio skied one in a World Cup final, Beckham hit one miles over the bar, I remember even Maradona duffing one along the ground. We think of Waddle as sort of hapless because of 1990, but he was one of the most technically gifted players I've ever seen.

 

Yeah exactly. And how can people overlook taking a second penalty in a game? He missed because he was trying to make sure as he knew Lloris would dive the same way. Kane needs more types of penalty. Honestly..ok now I think about it..no..but..you wouldn't bring on Toney for that would you if he was there? Everyone said 'don't bring Toney, his physicality won't be liked by the refs' which is true but Maddison was unused anyway and when penalties are almost certain in tournaments having someone who always scores has got to be more valuable. If people think that's as stupid as asking Maguire to take the penalty then fair enough but second penalty ten minutes from time with a goal that will make you highest all time England scorer.. he wasn't going to score. 

 

I don't blame Kane for missing, I do blame him for going for the sane corner. And being amazing at shooting from 25 yards in play but being so shit at free kicks he doesn't even attempt them. It doesn't make any sense to me. It's down to Rashford who isn't renowned for his shooting from 25 yards but who at least clearly practises free kicks to have a go. Or one of the fullbacks.

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1 minute ago, Loik V credern said:

 

Yeah exactly. And how can people overlook taking a second penalty in a game? He missed because he was trying to make sure as he knew Lloris would dive the same way. Kane needs more types of penalty. Honestly..ok now I think about it..no..but..you wouldn't bring on Toney for that would you if he was there? Everyone said 'don't bring Toney, his physicality won't be liked by the refs' which is true but Maddison was unused anyway and when penalties are almost certain in tournaments having someone who always scores has got to be more valuable. If people think that's as stupid as asking Maguire to take the penalty then fair enough but second penalty ten minutes from time with a goal that will make you highest all time England scorer.. he wasn't going to score. 

 

I don't blame Kane for missing, I do blame him for going for the sane corner. And being amazing at shooting from 25 yards in play but being so shit at free kicks he doesn't even attempt them. It doesn't make any sense to me. It's down to Rashford who isn't renowned for his shooting from 25 yards but who at least clearly practises free kicks to have a go. Or one of the fullbacks.


Strangely, for Spurs, he usually goes bottom right if he gets a second penalty in a game. I think he second-guessed himself thinking Lloris would know that.

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13 minutes ago, Orion said:

France will probably win this again. No real shame.


 

They were there for the taking.  Same as Italy.  Same as Croatia.   England might get a reputation as chokers rather than having one as credible contenders.  
 

This doesn’t feel as bad as the Euros but we can’t be nearly men forever. I figure this squad rolls on to the next Euros as it’s only 18 months away and a lot of the key players are still so young but we do need another striker to emerge from the shadow of Harry Kane.  
 

 

edit:  the two penalties thing. 
 

Everybody is being wise after the event but a striker taking two penalties in a single match is completely normal.   Kane has to have done it before and he’ll probably do it again.  Someone would have had to have wrestled the ball away from him tonight and then if we’d missed that everyone would just be saying we should have let Kane shoot.   It’s shit that he ballooned it over the bar but I’m not having it that it was a mistake to let him take it. 

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15 minutes ago, Gabe said:

Open question to you all, does this feel better or worse than the Euros final?

 

Euros final was worst because we scored so early and then didn't threaten the rest of the game, it felt inevitable, like pressure was invited. 

 

Then bringing on young players fresh to take a penalty was a bad decision imo. And that Rashford agonisingly hit the post. 

 

England for me tried to sneak the euro final win, they didn't try to sneak this win, so it's more encouraging going forward. I've never been a Southgate fan but I don't disagree with much this tournament, from the squad to substitutions to formations like keeping the same 11 tonight. Maybe others think differently but I expected more from Bellingham. It's not like if Grealish, Mount or Sterling started instead of Foden it would have gone differently.

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2 minutes ago, Naysonymous said:


 

They were there for the taking.  Same as Italy.  Same as Croatia.   England might get a reputation as chokers rather than having one as credible contenders.  
 

This doesn’t feel as bad as the Euros but we can’t be nearly men forever. I figure this squad rolls on to the next Euros as it’s only 18 months away and a lot of the key players are still so young but we do need another striker to emerge from the shadow of Harry Kane.  

It's certainly true to say that England have lost every time they've come up against a top side in tournaments, yes. And whilst they may have been the better team tonight, being the better team doesn't really matter in tournament football, only the result.

 

After 2018 people said wait until the Euros, then it was 'Well, they'll be great at the world cup', now it will be 'The euros are only 18 months away' - it's what the 'Golden generation' got after each tournament, too (but with more hate, because the press didn't like them much back then.)

 

Hopefully they can fulfil their promise, but yeah, it could easily turn into a cross to bear and be too much for them. 

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1954 - Germany win the world cup

 

1958 and 1962 - A team wins back to back world cups led by a #10 who was a teenager at his first, beating England in the quarter finals of their second run

 

1966 - England win the world cup

 

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2014 - Germany win the world cup

 

2018 and 2022 - A team wins back to back world cups led by a #10 who was a teenager at his first, beating England in the quarter finals of their second run

 

2026 - ???

 

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17 minutes ago, Naysonymous said:

edit:  the two penalties thing. 
 

Everybody is being wise after the event but a striker taking two penalties in a single match is completely normal.   Kane has to have done it before and he’ll probably do it again.  Someone would have had to have wrestled the ball away from him tonight and then if we’d missed that everyone would just be saying we should have let Kane shoot.   It’s shit that he ballooned it over the bar but I’m not having it that it was a mistake to let him take it. 

 

Of course if anyone takes it and misses everyone will ask why Kane didn't. But world cup quarter final, 83rd minute, to become all time England scorer against your team mate you've played with your whole career adds more than anything else he'd have experienced, which proved true because he missed. It's not in hindsight, I wasn't confident in the moment. I know all time top scorer means nothing, it's not on his mind, it's inevitable eventually anyway, but it would be too perfect to score. 

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27 minutes ago, Gabe said:

It's certainly true to say that England have lost every time they've come up against a top side in tournaments, yes. And whilst they may have been the better team tonight, being the better team doesn't really matter in tournament football, only the result.


 

It’s true that only results matter, it’s not true that England lost every time they face a top team. They dismantled the Champions of Africa last week, during the Euros last summer they beat Germany with ease and beat an in form Denmark.  
 

Pointing this out might ruin the narrative or lead to revisionism like “oh beating x, y & z doesn’t count because actually they were crap.” but you can’t have it both ways.  It is a result’s business, tournament football is hard and can often require the rub of the green (just ask Pep Guardiola) but England are doing a lot of things right and this feels like a million miles away from the shitshows of the 2000s and the 2010s.  

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