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1 hour ago, Hamus said:

Harry Kane should wear it anyway! Get it on! It would be a powerful statement.

 

I agree. The image of the captain of England being booked for wearing an armband that supports gay rights would go round the world. It would make the statement much more powerful.

 

Even if he then changes it, the point would be made. No messing around with having your sub goalkeeper wear it or something. It has to be Kane. It has to be the most important player on the team. There has to be a statement that the team is willing to risk damaging their own chances to stand up for what they believe in.

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I've no point of reference to compare, but is the crowd noise always like that in games in the region? It sounded completely unnatural to me, like a very odd unified chorus would go up the instant the ball was clipped into the final third and dribbled through to the keeper. It reminded me of when North Korea would send that mental delegation of 'fans' to World Cups. 

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1 minute ago, Art Vandelay said:

I've no point of reference to compare, but is the crowd noise always like that in games in the region? It sounded completely unnatural to me, like a very odd unified chorus would go up the instant the ball was clipped into the final third and dribbled through to the keeper. It reminded me of when North Korea would send that mental delegation of 'fans' to World Cups. 

 

Sounded like children to me. When you have a big crowd of kids it gets very screechy.

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One positive thing is that because FIFA have fucked this up - again - and it's turned into incredibly bad PR - again - everyone is now talking about the armbands.

 

Probably moreso than if they wouldn't have banned them in the first place.  It'll dominate the pre/post match debate, not just today but for other nations who had originally agreed to wear them.

 

I really do hope FIFA continue with all these own goals and gaffes.  They're making things worse for themselves every single day.

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45 minutes ago, feltmonkey said:

 

I agree. The image of the captain of England being booked for wearing an armband that supports gay rights would go round the world. It would make the statement much more powerful.

 

Even if he then changes it, the point would be made. No messing around with having your sub goalkeeper wear it or something. It has to be Kane. It has to be the most important player on the team. There has to be a statement that the team is willing to risk damaging their own chances to stand up for what they beat in.

Agreed. If they really care is a yellow card a big deal?

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Fifa have put the European teams that were going to wear the armbands in a very difficult position. But I do think they should have stood firm and put the third choice keeper on as captain with the armband on and then subbed him straight away. But it would need to be a unanimous approach  with all the nations involved, and it’s probably too late to try and organise a response. Which is exactly why fifa haven’t said anything until now .

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It's given the players a chance to actually send a message, no one would have paid any attention to the arm band, especially the new one where they've hidden the raindow as much as possible, the commentators in any country that dont like the message would have just not mentioned it.  By making it a bookable offence it might have actually get some attention and show people that their view is unpopular enough for someone to take actually punishment for protesting it.

 

It's a shame it looks like no one is going to have the nerve to wear one.

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1 hour ago, Eighthours said:

 

Well, if everyone was booked, then any players who now had a second yellow would be suspended from the next game. 

 

I really wanted the FA and Harry Kane to dare FIFA into a massive incident, but unfortunately they've blinked at the first sign of trouble. Though having said that I wanted them to go ahead, it's only because I agree with the message myself, so my stance on this is potentially a bit hypocritical. There is genuinely a reason for captains not being allowed to wear an unsanctioned armband - what if this right (if it existed) was used for something more nefarious, like promoting a pro-fascist movement or an advertiser that wasn't allowed to be part of the tournament? While the example I'm about to give wouldn't happen given obvious political allegiances in the team, let's put forward the thought that the USA captain could wear a MAGA armband because he really believes in the message of Donald Trump. What would we think then?

 

My point is that we're only all for the One Love armband because of its message that goes against the corrupt as fuck process that led to the Qataris getting the tournament and their awful views on LGBTQ+ rights. While I think Kane SHOULD wear the armband, I can entirely see why FIFA wouldn't want this to become a thing even if the pressure from the Qataris wasn't there. But that pressure is probably the main reason. So fuck them! I'm conflicted. 😆

I think introducing some hypothetical 'bad use' of an armband is pretty disingenuous, for starters the 'One Love' had quite a lot of support within the game and other captains - I doubt some 'MAGA' armband would have the goodwill to even be an issue. So frankly I think you are performing quite unnecessary mental gymnastics there.

 

I also think the FAs are cowards. Yes, FIFA are scum - and this tournament is getting more toxic by the hour (and I've never cared less about a major tournament) - but as I said in my post last night, they could just rotate the captains for each match so none had more than a booking. Instead, despite all the big words written about it, they've caved at the threat of - oh no - a booking and I hold the players accountable for this too, because clearly the threat of a yellow card is more important than the message being seen on the biggest stage. I genuinely hate all of them right now.

 

That FA statement is pathetic and I guess proves Shankley was right - football, it seems, really is more important than life and death.

 

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I don't think you can blame the players on this.

 

If Kane tells the FA he is wearing it anyway then they can potentially decide to not play him.

 

It is the perfect cunty move by FIFA.  A yellow card isn't a big deal in theory, but if Kane or Bale or whoever gets booked at kick off and then sent off 10 minutes later for something minor and England then lose and then end up going out then there will be plenty of cunts spitting blood and most of the press demonising Kane, Southgate, the entire team for supporting LGBTQ+ rights and not being furious at FIFA or the other countless reasons if England don't get out the group.

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5 minutes ago, dizogg said:

Sterling starting. How exciting.

 

40 minutes to go and my mind still can't process that England are about to play their first game in the World Cup, its a horrible November day and I'm just going to watch it in the background on my own while WFH.  I don't think I've ever watched an England World Cup game on my own in the house ever.  

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The FA (or rather, governing bodies) have a habit of pushing the blame onto those least able to defend it.  Why should it be the players fault?  Either the FA takes a stand or they don't.  They choose not to on this, and they choose not to support their players either.

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19 hours ago, neoELITE said:

You're all mad. We'll comfortably beat Iran. You know when you see someone with a Motorhead t-shirt and it's from Primark and you say, "name three songs!". It's the same. Name three Iranian players. None of you can. 

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You're right, I can't. I can name one, Taremi who plays for Porto, but more importantly I can name their manager - Carlos Queiroz. I think I know how Iran will play, sitting back and being extremely organized. Nine of the ten outfield players are primarily defensive. England struggle to break teams like that down at the best of times, and they're currently in abject form and look directionless. Plus, Iran know they only need to stop Kane. If you look at the international stats of every other attacking option - Sterling, Saka, Foden, Mount, Grealish, and Rashford - none of them produce goals or assists. Rashford has the best stats, but hasn't played for more than a handful of minutes as a substitute for about three years, so you can hardly say he is delivering rather than that he used to deliver a few years ago.

 

I think we'll be up against it. We might need an early goal, and set-pieces might be our best bet.

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