Marvel Snap - current season: Guardians’ Greatest Hits

[Strafe]

6 hours ago, moosegrinder said:

Ego is just a shit location. Most of the others don't bother me too much because I like them thematically and they can hobble good decks, but Ego serves no purpose but to be the ultimate variance and it can do one.

 

I was waiting for Arnim Zola to turn up in my shop but Patriot has dropped in for 1k. Is it worth it or do you need other specific cards for him to work?

He just played my deck in the most idiotic means possible. Scarlett witch who gains plus 2 in the centre location? Puts her in the left. Then Stuck Hulk in the left as a last card - a location I was already winning - rather than centre or right, 2 locations I was losing. Fucking mental.

[Strafe]

50 minutes ago, BubbleDragon said:

Medusa?

That’s the one!

[Hamus]

So I understand the 500 collection level, cache, and tokens now. Sheesh it's a pain I have 100 tokens so far!

 

Is it worth pinning anyone and holding on to them. I have Leader in rotation who seems useful, but is he?

[deerokus]

3 minutes ago, Hamus said:

So I understand the 500 collection level, cache, and tokens now. Sheesh it's a pain I have 100 tokens so far!

 

Is it worth pinning anyone and holding on to them. I have Leader in rotation who seems useful, but is he?

 

 

He's a bit cheap and as a result just got nerfed a bit, and might get nerfed again. Probably not worth rushing to get him.

[The Grand Pursuivant]

29 minutes ago, deerokus said:

 

 

He's a bit cheap and as a result just got nerfed a bit, and might get nerfed again. Probably not worth rushing to get him.

 

Strong disagree! The nerf did nothing. Leader is still an S tier card, especially so early in Pool 3. Everyone at the start of Pool 3 is used to playing pure midrange decks with very few combos and big finishers. Few will expect leader, and even if they do, won't be piloting decks that are able to play around it. Add it do a Devil Dino deck, make sure you are ahead turn 5, enjoy your cubes.

[Hamus]

Think I might well pin him then and see how long it takes me to get to 1000 tokens!

 

In the meantime I am still very much enjoying Killmonger on the final turn against the 1 point crews.

 

This fellow snapped after turn 3! I snapped that up.

 

 

 

 😂

[smithstock]

38 minutes ago, The Grand Pursuivant said:

 

Strong disagree! The nerf did nothing. Leader is still an S tier card, especially so early in Pool 3. Everyone at the start of Pool 3 is used to playing pure midrange decks with very few combos and big finishers. Few will expect leader, and even if they do, won't be piloting decks that are able to play around it. Add it do a Devil Dino deck, make sure you are ahead turn 5, enjoy your cubes.

Strongly disagree. 

 

Leader is not S Tier at all. A destroy deck, which a lot of people are running, and cards like Arnim Zola or Aero can screw that choice over. 

 

Cards like Morph or Daily Bugle location can provide a lucky break to see what is in the opponent's hand. I won one game the other day by playing nothing when Leader came out. 

 

Leader is a very strong card, but I don't think it's as good as you are making out. 

[Hamus]

I have realised I started with 3000 tokens (the UI was initially clear I'd say) so I could get Leader.

 

I am wondering if I would actually be any good using it, I mean it's quite predictive and you have to line it up.

 

I'm not using Dino at the moment and I've beaten a couple of Dino decks recently (I keep using Killmonger to turn things around totally on the last turn).

 

Question then - is it worth saving the 3000 tokens, who else is worth waiting for?

[MardiganX]

Leader is a fantastic OPTION to have going into the final turn but he is not a card to build a deck around. I’ve been running a very strong Destroy deck for weeks now focussing on buffing Deadpool and Death as the main approaches but also have Leader for occasions where it’s clear playing him is the stronger finish.

[Zael]

Leader has good text but he's very meta dependant. If the meta is running big turn 6 stat blocs then Leader is amazing.

 

But right now, certainly at like 80+ anyway the meta is the Zabu Darkhawk deck or the Negative Surfer Deck. Both of which Leader does nothing against and is a useless turn 6 play. 

[moosegrinder]

Trying to run some different decks because I don't want to get too comfortable running my Ongoing deck and it's way too late. My brain shits itself and I'm useless.

 

 

I get the concept behind this but I just can't get it to work. I'll have to reread the post on snapzone. 

 

I also have a tin foil hat theory that the matchmaking makes you come up against certain decks depending on what you're running. Absolutely no basis for it except the games I've played since running this have matched me against decks I've never seen before.

 

 

[smithstock]

I think I had a similar deck* @moosegrinder, which was carrying me to Rank 50 last season and @Mitchell has been using. I'd suggest some changes:

 

Spoiler

 

Zero is amazing for cancelling out the abilities of most of the cards (typically Maw and Lizard) but is also situation dependant - combine with Mister Fantastic or Klaw when the Bar with No Name location drops.

 

You can also bait Shang-Chi from the opponent by placing Warpath, and then adding a card to the 3rd lane on the following turn. It's very easy to play and it pretty effective this season.

 

*This deck is very similar to a MTG Green Deck with Overrun where seemingly mediocre cards get buffed right to the end

[Mitchell]

Still using it!  🙃  It's so good. 

[moosegrinder]

4 hours ago, smithstock said:

It's very easy to play and it pretty effective this season.

 

Oh aye, make me feel better about myself. 

 

I don't have Zero yet, unfortunately. I'll lose some more ranks with it and see if I can get me head around it.

[Hamus]

Ohh I got Arnim Zola from a cache!

 

Recommendations for using? I'd imagine drop in a location with 1 other card - will the multiples trigger on reveals?

[viewtiful jim]

The staples are:

Wong > Black Panther then Arnim.

Devil Dinosaur

Shuri > Red Skull

Maxed out Venom

 

Just any big cards you can play in a solo lane on turn 5 basically.

 

But it’s easy to counter with Cosmo, Magneto, Juggernaut, Doc Oc, Viper chucking a Hood/ rock, Debrii etc.

[deerokus]

It's a pretty flexible card but you should make sure you have a reliable fallback option for turn 6 as it won't always work out to use Arnim.

 

 

Wong-Ironheart-Arnim ☺️

[Strafe]

I’m still using the same deck I close to the start. I reckon I have a 60+ win ratio. Is there a way to see match history? Also, is there a way to identify which of your cards you have an enough boosters to upgrade once you have the credits? I might have a couple that I can actually upgrade but about 12 cards showing the upgradeable effect.

[revlob]

Is there logic to which card Arnim copies, or is it random? Playing him in a lane with Wong and Black Panther seems risky if you could end up with two Wongs.

[Hamus]

2 minutes ago, revlob said:

Is there logic to which card Arnim copies, or is it random? Playing him in a lane with Wong and Black Panther seems risky if you could end up with two Wongs.

 

The card says copies one other so it must be random.

 

[smithstock]

3 hours ago, viewtiful jim said:

The staples are:

Wong > Black Panther then Arnim.

Devil Dinosaur

Shuri > Red Skull

Maxed out Venom

 

Just any big cards you can play in a solo lane on turn 5 basically.

 

But it’s easy to counter with Cosmo, Magneto, Juggernaut, Doc Oc, Viper chucking a Hood/ rock, Debrii etc.

 

I almost always clone a maxed out Venom, or whatever the largest damage card is (Death, Carnage etc). 

 

Another really good combo is - Deadpool > Beast, this makes Deadpool 0 cost and you can buff him a lot with certain locations in play. You can also use Moon Girl to clone the 0 cost Deadpool. Killmonger is a good card to destroy multiple Deadpool's or Nova which gives a good earlier game buff to Deadpool. Then clone 0-cost/high damage Deadpool with Arnim Zola. 

 

Another one I love, opponent dependent, is if they play Hobgoblin in open space and have a few gaps on their side. I play Arnim Zola, destroys Hobgoblin - creates two more -8 cards that fire themselves over to the opponent, who is inevitably smug at their original choice. 

 

1 hour ago, Hamus said:

 

The card says copies one other so it must be random.

 

Yeah it's random. I intentionally try to keep Venom or Death solo. Venom cleans up all of the other lanes anyway when cloned. I have also cloned Arnim Zola with Arnim Zola to stack multiple random cards. 

[sammy]

5 hours ago, Strafe said:

Yes, go to the card collection screen and there’s a sort button on the bottom left, hit sort by upgradeable.  
 

 

Cards that you have enough boosters to upgrade will have the green arrows animation.

[deerokus]

5 hours ago, revlob said:

Is there logic to which card Arnim copies, or is it random? Playing him in a lane with Wong and Black Panther seems risky if you could end up with two Wongs.

It's random but it removes the card as well so in that situation it would copy both. The gamble is which it copies first

[Pungee]

I've been 5-ish points away from Platinum tier for ages now and keep getting undone with 3-4 games in a row where I just don't draw Patriot and so the rest of the deck doesn't really work. It's painful. I think I need to get Adam Warlock or one of the other options to increase the number of cards you draw. 

[viewtiful jim]

20 hours ago, smithstock said:

Another really good combo is - Deadpool > Beast, this makes Deadpool 0 cost and you can buff him a lot with certain locations in play. You can also use Moon Girl to clone the 0 cost Deadpool. Killmonger is a good card to destroy multiple Deadpool's or Nova which gives a good earlier game buff to Deadpool. Then clone 0-cost/high damage Deadpool with Arnim Zola. 

That sounds like an interesting variance on the deck.

Mind sharing the deck? I presume it has the usual core destroy cards and The Beast. Do you have Taskmaster incase you don’t draw Arnim?

[deerokus]

1 hour ago, Pungee said:

I've been 5-ish points away from Platinum tier for ages now and keep getting undone with 3-4 games in a row where I just don't draw Patriot and so the rest of the deck doesn't really work. It's painful. I think I need to get Adam Warlock or one of the other options to increase the number of cards you draw. 

The game gets real hard after ab of it level 50 for sure. Think I've never been above rank 55.

[smithstock]

3 hours ago, viewtiful jim said:

That sounds like an interesting variance on the deck.

Mind sharing the deck? I presume it has the usual core destroy cards and The Beast. Do you have Taskmaster incase you don’t draw Arnim?

Here you go, it's a variation on what I posted a few pages back. Currently hovering around Rank 40 with this:
 

Spoiler

 

If you can - play Nova > Deadpool in that order to ensure the resolve order buffs Deadpool. Beast is great for making all the 1-cost cards free, or pulling Venom/Carnage back out of play to buff further or avoid a bad lane (e.g. Cosmo, Armor).

 

I haven't tried Taskmaster (yet) but I have found that if Arnim or Death doesn't drop, it's very difficult for me to win multiple lanes - as I'm relying on location RNG.

[The Grand Pursuivant]

On 19/01/2023 at 20:32, smithstock said:

Strongly disagree. 

 

Leader is not S Tier at all. A destroy deck, which a lot of people are running, and cards like Arnim Zola or Aero can screw that choice over. 

 

Cards like Morph or Daily Bugle location can provide a lucky break to see what is in the opponent's hand. I won one game the other day by playing nothing when Leader came out. 

 

Leader is a very strong card, but I don't think it's as good as you are making out. 

 

We obviously have different definitions of S tier!

 

I don't think any of the examples you've mentioned make any difference to the sheer ridiculousness of how powerful leader is. If someone is running a destroy deck then Leader generally counters their turn 6. Aero is the best pool 3 card in the game, but it only beats leader in really specific scenarios and is not a counter. Morph is the 3rd worst card in the game and locations don't make a difference on how good a card is. All cards are countered by certain locations. 

 

This is why he is S tier for me. He can fit in almost any deck, he is a win condition and more importantly he is a snap condition. There are very few cards that can do all three of these things. The fact that he basically wins you the game if you are ahead on turn 5 is stupid. His very existence is the reason why Zabu and Surfer are the two best decks in town. They naturally counter him by either tempoing ahead or adding a power spike turn 6 that can't be copied.

 

The thing that really makes him S tier though, is the fact that, no matter what deck you are playing, you have to think about him on turn 6. Doesn't matter the deck. I've seen him played against me in decks that shouldn't run him and lost because I discounted the possibility of him being played. There is no other card in the game that requires this consideration every time you play. It's meta-warping, and entirely absurd that his effect exists. They can nerf his statline all they like, he will be one of the best cards in the game until they actively change his text.

 

For me the best 5 cards in the game right now, in order, are Zabu, Silver Sufer, Shuri, Aero and Leader. If you have just hit pool 3, and you want to be competitive with the kinds of decks you can make, Leader is a no-brainer to spend tokens on. Even if you don't end up liking or playing the card, you'll learn how to play around it, which is also invaluable to ranking up. Especially when you see your first Leader vs Leader turn 6 and go 'wait, what the fuck just happened?'.

[The Grand Pursuivant]

On 22/01/2023 at 14:11, revlob said:

Is there logic to which card Arnim copies, or is it random? Playing him in a lane with Wong and Black Panther seems risky if you could end up with two Wongs.

 

Oh, the Wong/Panther/Arnim interaction is hilarious, but not risky. You have forgotten Wong's ability in your calculation here.

 

If your lane is Wong/Black Panther and you play Arnim, then Arnim triggers twice. You actually want him to hit Wong first. If he does, then Wong is destroyed and created in both other locations, then Black Panther is destroyed and created in both locations, where Wong is now doing his thing. So your 16 power Black Panther gets another double cast, taking him up to 64.

 

It's an amazing combo, but it gets countered by basically every card in the game right now so is very hard to pull off.

 

 

[The Grand Pursuivant]

So I pulled Magneto as maybe my 3rd or 4th card into pool 3 and I basically didn't start playing him properly until a couple of weeks ago, but he is fast becoming my absolute favourite card in the game.

 

Look at what I jsut did to this poor fucker two games in a row! Absolutely brutal!