George Cropper has a video out

[Anne Summers]

30 minutes ago, ulala said:

putting that video out to gain money and start a dog pile 

 

that’s “a bit of stupidity”? 

 

 

Well - yeah ...

Ok maybe I'm understating it a bit. It's was very stupid and very wrong.

But I don't think it justifies calling the entire UK retro YouTube scene a "cesspit'!

[merman]

When the good old YouTube algorithm first suggested I watch LD's videos, I found some of them quite interesting.

But increasingly I found the presentation nauseating, this silly running gag about "a necessity for gracious living" pointless and the endless click-baity titles with "ILLEGAL!!!!" in them put me off.

 

And yes, there is a clique. If you watch the supporter names scrolling up at the end of HER videos, you will see many of the same ones on TH's videos, and on several other high-profile YouTubers. And that's the problem.

[Bluejam]

The issue here is that she was allegedly advised by the, for want of a better word, the circle jerk to NOT do a video. Pay the fee, lesson learned. Big names advised them as well. 

 

she ignored all of them and did that video, pictured her kids and cried. 

Patreon donations went up
 

There are rumours (on twitter so it must be true *ahem*) that the discord logs will be leaked showing all this and maybe even showing / encouraging a pile on

 

edit - Patreon donations have gone down since 

[phillv85]

What these pair have done is disgusting, but I don't think it's necessary for other UK retro gaming youtubers to come out and publicly criticise them. If it was me and I was one of their YT retro peers I'd just want to keep my head down and have nothing to do with these pair. Saying that, I'd never have wanted anything to do with their wikipedia regurgitated shite in the first place so maybe my angle is a little different.

[Rex Grossman]

I saw a few of the Top Hat videos a couple of years ago and though they were shit personally. Absolutley painful.

Most UK retro gaming YouTube channels are awful. And it all seems very incestuous. I don't watch any British channels any more. This whole saga has helped justify that decision even more.

 

[yakumo]

16 hours ago, Protocol Penguin said:

They’re in a circle-jerk clique, the big players of the retro scene; they get eager up-and-comers to research, write and edit their videos who are happy to be exploited in the hope of building up their own “personal brand profile” and joining the big league, while there’s an omertà among the elites of the scene not to overly criticise each other publicly. Whole cesspit stinks. 

The American scene is the same, and they're worst spamming whatnot.com to shill their stuff. Surprised to see the Game Chasers even commentating on this too, I mean they were sort of big in the days.

[Dig Dug]

British retro gaming is itself a bubble in a bubble and it’s not hard to find insufferable people when you are in that deep of a bubble.

[Fuddle]

How they make money is beyond me, I had no idea so much was invloved. Brand manager, pr agency, writer.... editor?

As one of the UK's most prominent Youtube super stars, I publicly condemn their actions.

(now how do I get the money?)

[phillv85]

Well, she's getting £771 a month from a total of 132 patrons on Patreon. Top Hat doesn't disclose how much he gets but has 156 patrons (assuming they have the same average per patron that's about £911 a month). 

[ulala]

13 minutes ago, phillv85 said:

Well, she's getting £771 a month from a total of 132 patrons on Patreon. Top Hat doesn't disclose how much he gets but has 156 patrons (assuming they have the same average per patron that's about £911 a month). 

 

That's quite decent as a starting point, tax free

[phillv85]

Yeah, so with sponsorships (I assume they plug shite in their videos?) and then the YouTube ad money they must do ok. Not bad for just regurgitating shit you can already find on the first page of a google search.

[Peter St John]

30 minutes ago, ulala said:

 

That's quite decent as a starting point, tax free

 

Why would it be tax free?

[ulala]

27 minutes ago, Peter St John said:

 

Why would it be tax free?

 

A couple of reasons.

 

I often think that internet celebrities that have a standard paye job aside from their online exploits, don't exactly declare their incomes from patreon, youtube, kofi, onlyfans

 

And of course, if you are self employed you only pay tax on any profit the company makes. So if you have a couple of people (including yourself on staff at 12,570 unsurprisingly),  brand manager, your pet dog, and video games, holidays where you make content from - all come out of the business BEFORE tax.

 

I imagine annual taxable profit is 1p

 

 

[Peter St John]

I know in the US, if you make over $600/yr from Patreon, Patreon themselves report it to the IRS…

[ianinthefuture]

4 minutes ago, ulala said:

 

A couple of reasons.

 

I often think that internet celebrities that have a standard paye job aside from their online exploits, don't exactly declare their incomes from patreon, youtube, kofi, onlyfans

 

And of course, if you are self employed you only pay tax on any profit the company makes. So if you have a couple of people (including yourself on staff at 12,570 unsurprisingly),  brand manager, your pet dog, and video games, holidays where you make content from - all come out of the business BEFORE tax.

 

I imagine annual taxable profit is 1p

 

 

Do you think minor internet celebrities have tax scams on the go like fucking Amazon or something, jesus christ.

 

Absolutely hilarious how little work people here seem to think is involved in making videos. I do one a month, which is bare minimum by YT standards, and it takes a fucking age to put together - people doing multiple per week, even if they're pretty low quality, still involves a lot of work. But hey they're all terrible bastards for trying to get paid for their work, also they're all tax cheats.

 

Again: jesus christ.

[MikeBeaver]

13 minutes ago, ianinthefuture said:

Do you think minor internet celebrities have tax scams on the go like fucking Amazon or something, jesus christ.

 

Absolutely hilarious how little work people here seem to think is involved in making videos. I do one a month, which is bare minimum by YT standards, and it takes a fucking age to put together - people doing multiple per week, even if they're pretty low quality, still involves a lot of work. But hey they're all terrible bastards for trying to get paid for their work, also they're all tax cheats.

 

Again: jesus christ.

I try to make 2 per week.. they ARE shit, but it's just me wafling along while I try and fix things, with zero editing, maybe that is why I can NOT break this bloody 1,000 subscribers bar... only 240 more to go though ( Like Comment AND Sub bloody scribe!! , for the record, I have said this once in a video, at the end, and I scolded myself in the video for doing it 😛 )

[ulala]

4 minutes ago, ianinthefuture said:

Do you think minor internet celebrities have tax scams on the go like fucking Amazon or something, jesus christ.

 

Absolutely hilarious how little work people here seem to think is involved in making videos. I do one a month, which is bare minimum by YT standards, and it takes a fucking age to put together - people doing multiple per week, even if they're pretty low quality, still involves a lot of work. But hey they're all terrible bastards for trying to get paid for their work, also they're all tax cheats.

 

Again: jesus christ.

 

A complete straw man, but there you go

 

 

 

 

 

[Lorfarius]

Just now, MikeBeaver said:

I try to make 2 per week.. they ARE shit, but it's just me wafling along while I try and fix things, with zero editing, maybe that is why I can NOT break this bloody 1,000 subscribers bar... only 240 more to go though ( Like Comment AND Sub bloody scribe!! , for the record, I have said this once in a video, at the end, and I scolded myself in the video for doing it 😛 )

 

You will get there in the end. By the time I stopped I'd raked in over 1 million views across 10 years and a thousand videos but only 2500 subs 🤣

[ianinthefuture]

4 minutes ago, ulala said:

 

A complete straw man, but there you go

 

 

 

 

 

The comment on a lack of appreciation of the work involved in making a video was a general one about what I've seen in this thread and around the forum in general.

 

A couple of posts prior you literally accused "internet celebrities" of being tax cheats.

 

Wouldn't call that a complete straw man, but hey ho.

[MikeBeaver]

10 minutes ago, Lorfarius said:

 

You will get there in the end. By the time I stopped I'd raked in over 1 million views across 10 years and a thousand videos but only 2500 subs 🤣

It's been just over a year of doing constant actual content, or there abouts, I'm fixing things anyway, so might as well upload the half arsed attempts so that people know what NOT to do 😛

[MikeBeaver]

5 hours ago, Bluejam said:

The issue here is that she was allegedly advised by the, for want of a better word, the circle jerk to NOT do a video. Pay the fee, lesson learned. Big names advised them as well. 

 

she ignored all of them and did that video, pictured her kids and cried. 

Patreon donations went up
 

There are rumours (on twitter so it must be true *ahem*) that the discord logs will be leaked showing all this and maybe even showing / encouraging a pile on

 

edit - Patreon donations have gone down since 

And here it is.....

 

 

 

[Bluejam]

Excellent! 

[Bluejam]

[Anne Summers]

3 hours ago, ulala said:

 

A couple of reasons.

 

I often think that internet celebrities that have a standard paye job aside from their online exploits, don't exactly declare their incomes from patreon, youtube, kofi, onlyfans

 

And of course, if you are self employed you only pay tax on any profit the company makes. So if you have a couple of people (including yourself on staff at 12,570 unsurprisingly),  brand manager, your pet dog, and video games, holidays where you make content from - all come out of the business BEFORE tax.

 

I imagine annual taxable profit is 1p

 

 

Come on mate, you're basically accusing them of tax fraud here with no evidence other than the fact you think they probably do it. It's a bit unfair isn't it?

[Bluejam]

This is quite a comment 

[Bluejam]

Oops 

[spanky debrest]

George's latest video reminded me of when Slopes Game Room was passionately defending THGM's brazen theft of multiple smaller YouTubers videos in comment sections ("I would have been HONOURED to have him lift my stuff"), which was also around the time that his then anonymous wife made her debut as a guest presenter on his channel.

 

It's not a clique. It's just a few slightly dim content creators.

[Bluejam]

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2022/10/top-hat-gaming-man-lady-decade-and-a-photo-of-ray-harryhausen?fbclid=IwAR0WjX7e25ekLjvOLFTTzdfhZYQaGGucHTjS5DJM2rZjnvfT-X8h2kgxiPs

[SeanR]

5 hours ago, ianinthefuture said:

Do you think minor internet celebrities have tax scams on the go like fucking Amazon or something, jesus christ.

 

Absolutely hilarious how little work people here seem to think is involved in making videos. I do one a month, which is bare minimum by YT standards, and it takes a fucking age to put together - people doing multiple per week, even if they're pretty low quality, still involves a lot of work. But hey they're all terrible bastards for trying to get paid for their work, also they're all tax cheats.

 

Again: jesus christ.

calm down, lady decade…

[spanky debrest]

4 minutes ago, SeanR said:

calm down, lady decade…

 

Justified response IMO. 

 

I don't produce YouTube videos but if I made stuff a tenth as original / insightful / amusing as what Bransfield and Dudley do - and had to deal with insinuations of 'ebegging' because I had a patreon or virtual tip jar - it'd probably piss me right off.