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8 hours ago, Gabe said:

Having watched that, he does seem keen, though I'm still not sure I prefer the brightness, and for me the interesting comparison shot was the mountain with the cloud over it; on the WOLED it looked like it was going to rain, whereas the QDOLED is far less threatening. They are actually so different I wouldn't even be able to say which is the 'correct' look and colour representation versus the naked eye, which I find fascinating in itself. And I still think you are losing a lot of the detail (you can make out the individual clouds much easier on the WOLED and detail on the mountain). 

 

Obviously the WOLED does look darker outside of that, so it's all a trade-off I suppose. It's interesting though, because whilst I think I get what he is explaining there about the tech (well, most of it), to me - based on looking at a paused youtube video on my laptop screen - the WOLED looks more natural and detailed, even though the video is telling me that, factually, the QDOLED is giving a lot better colour representation.

I've got a quantum dot IPS LCD (MSI MAG274QRF-QD) upstairs and although it's quite hightly rated I'm a bit ambivalent about that monitor, to be honest. Even using the rtings recommended settings as a base which are supposedly very accurate things look jacked up on it. I'm sure QD is better on the Samsung OLEDs and they're bound to be massively better displays in general but I've got a feeling it's probably still not for me, at least for films and stuff. Games can look OK with the saturation boosted to some degree.

 

I think everything has a point beyond which it's not that comfortable to look at for long, it's obvious with brightness but probably applies to colour gamut too. Colours in nature don't tend to feel as glaring as they can coming out of a screen.

 

I'm probably an outlier as far as display preferences go though, clung onto my plasma for years because nothing new looked anywhere near as natural to me and after finally getting the C1 I checked out HDR on a couple of things and felt like I was looking directly into the sun. When I was sorting out settings for the C1 I wondered briefly if there was something wrong with mine because I was so surprised at the brightness levels a lot of people seemed to prefer even without HDR.

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I can't tell if I need one of these. As someone who can barely tell the difference between 4k and 1440p on my 27" monitor, I'm not at all fussed about 4k/120Hz gaming.

 

But I am fussed about VR. All I really care about is being able to run Assetto Corsa Competizione and MS Flight Sim in VR. (And assuming any flat screen game would be less of a drain given the above statement)

 

I currently have a Ryzen 7 3700X paired with a 5700XT card which just about manages ACC in VR but struggles with Flight Sim.

 

I can't tell if a 4090 is overkill or if a 3090 would be enough for me. I know it's very subjective but anyone have any thoughts? (I'd be buying a completely new PC, not trying to upgrade my current PC)

 

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2 minutes ago, SneakyNinja said:

I can't tell if I need one of these. As someone who can barely tell the difference between 4k and 1440p on my 27" monitor, I'm not at all fussed about 4k/120Hz gaming.

 

But I am fussed about VR. All I really care about is being able to run Assetto Corsa Competizione and MS Flight Sim in VR. (And assuming any flat screen game would be less of a drain given the above statement)

 

I currently have a Ryzen 7 3700X paired with a 5700XT card which just about manages ACC in VR but struggles with Flight Sim.

 

I can't tell if a 4090 is overkill or if a 3090 would be enough for me. I know it's very subjective but anyone have any thoughts? (I'd be buying a completely new PC, not trying to upgrade my current PC)

 

 

I guess an important question is "what resolution is your VR helmet"? Anything less than 4K (across both eyes, I guess) and you're going to be looking at total and utter overkill with this card - probably so much overkill that you'll be a pixel war criminal. Obviously things like MS Flight Sim are hugely processor dependant and a 4090 is already looking at being heavily CPU limited at anything below 4k. Some thing are even hitting that point at 4k which has been unthinkable up to this point.

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1 minute ago, Lying Cat said:

 

I guess an important question is "what resolution is your VR helmet"? Anything less than 4K (across both eyes, I guess) and you're going to be looking at total and utter overkill with this card - probably so much overkill that you'll be a pixel war criminal. Obviously things like MS Flight Sim are hugely processor dependant and a 4090 is already looking at being heavily CPU limited at anything below 4k. Some thing are even hitting that point at 4k which has been unthinkable up to this point.

 

It's a Quest 2, so "nearly 4k when combined" is the answer I believe. Not keen on being a pixel war criminal, or even an errant resolution warlord when it comes to it, so maybe a 3090 is enough. I'm in no rush so maybe I'll see what happens to 3000 series prices.

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8 minutes ago, SneakyNinja said:

 

It's a Quest 2, so "nearly 4k when combined" is the answer I believe. Not keen on being a pixel war criminal, or even an errant resolution warlord when it comes to it, so maybe a 3090 is enough. I'm in no rush so maybe I'll see what happens to 3000 series prices.

 

Honestly, the smart thing to do is just go and google some benchmarks. People on Youtube will have benchmarked absolutely everything.

 

 

 

This looks amazingly solid to me on a 3090, but I half wonder whether you might be better off waiting for the 4080? That'll probably be above 3090 performance when it hits and you'll have the additional QoL stuff. Like, will Assetto or MSFS ever use DLSS? I don't know, but you might have more of an inkling. May be worth it for those?

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So the resolution of a Quest 2 at max settings on USB-link is 5408x2736  and you then get the option of running it at  72, 80, 90 or 120 Hz

 

My 3080 can only just run ACC at that rez at 80Hz in VR.  That is with setting pared back from maximum in game in a few key areas.  

 

So if you want max settings, supersampling further in game, and/or high Hz, you're going to need better than a 3080.  I think ACC at this point can easily use whatever you can throw at it in VR.  Its just a poorly optimised resource hog.

 

The 4090 looks amazing - but the price is hard to justify...  but then what's a possible an extra second a lap in ACC worth to you @SneakyNinja

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14 minutes ago, Lying Cat said:

 

Honestly, the smart thing to do is just go and google some benchmarks. People on Youtube will have benchmarked absolutely everything.

 

14 minutes ago, Lying Cat said:

This looks amazingly solid to me on a 3090, but I half wonder whether you might be better off waiting for the 4080? That'll probably be above 3090 performance when it hits and you'll have the additional QoL stuff. Like, will Assetto or MSFS ever use DLSS? I don't know, but you might have more of an inkling. May be worth it for those?

 

I think MSFS got DLSS in a recent update, and you're right, I should do some more homework especially when the youtubers have done benchmarks on the 4000 series.

 

3 minutes ago, Valver said:

So the resolution of a Quest 2 at max settings on USB-link is 5408x2736  and you then get the option of running it at  72, 80, 90 or 120 Hz

 

My 3080 can only just run ACC at that rez at 80Hz in VR.  That is with setting pared back from maximum in game in a few key areas.  

 

So if you want max settings, supersampling further in game, and/or high Hz, you're going to need better than a 3080.  I think ACC at this point can easily use whatever you can throw at it in VR.  Its just a poorly optimised resource hog.

 

The 4090 looks amazing - but the price is hard to justify...  but then what's a possible an extra second a lap in ACC worth to you @SneakyNinja

 

The price is ridiculous, but compared with how much F1 teams spend to get an extra tenth of lap time, it's a pretty cheap 1 second :) 

 

I'll wait to see how much new 4090 based PCs are, faint, recover and have a cuppa, then think on it.

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9 minutes ago, SneakyNinja said:

I'll wait to see how much new 4090 based PCs are, faint, recover and have a cuppa, then think on it.

 

Don't faint for too long, might sell out.

 

I'm still going back and forth with myself. You seem to have a far better case to upgrade than I do - you don't have the performance for the settings you want so you need some better bits. Makes total sense and I think that honestly, if you're even considering a 4090 at the prices we're looking at, you probably won't actually be disappointed with the results you get out of it. I'm a real dilettante when it comes to video games, but you sim guys really do benefit from getting the exact right experience, yanno?

 

For me, I sort of want the techno-gubbins but I know in my gut I'm not going to be seeing the full potential of a purchase like that. And that's fine, hobbies and areas of enjoyment aren't something to scrimp on if you don't have to (in my opinion, for what it's worth). It's just an interesting intersection between heart and mind that I'm enjoying dwelling at the moment.

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35 minutes ago, Lying Cat said:

 will Assetto or MSFS ever use DLSS?

 

ACC now supports DLSS and FSR. I'm using the latter to squeeze more performance out of that 1070 I am looking to replace.

 

@Valver and @SneakyNinja, stop looking at more performance ya bastards. I can't keep up with you now, let alone when you decide to upgrade GPUs! 😜

 

*continues to look for cheap 2nd hand 2080s*

 

ANYONE HERE GOT A SPARE 20 SERIES CARD? 😅

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@SneakyNinja MSFS with DLSS goes SO much faster, it made a much bigger difference than it seemed to for ACC for me.

 

I think there's some early 40-series looks at ACC coming out but I don't know how long til proper benchmarks will be available. Probably a 5800x3D and a 4090 is about the only combo that will let it go no-compromise on VR at the moment. But then the AMD CPUs have the new gen coming on as well, but expensive motherboards and RAM, it doesn't really end.

 

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1 hour ago, SneakyNinja said:

I can't tell if a 4090 is overkill or if a 3090 would be enough for me. I know it's very subjective but anyone have any thoughts? (I'd be buying a completely new PC, not trying to upgrade my current PC)

With DLSS at balanced and using DX12 I'm getting steady 30 fps with msfs on pretty high settings (ultra clouds etc) with a 3090 and 5800x on a VP2 headset, resolution set at around 3330x3330 per eye (might have to dial that back a bit :)). The vive motion smoothing makes it feel mostly very smooth but I've only just started experimenting trying to iron out the occasional glitches. It looks and feels amazing as is but with a 4090 you'd really be living the dream. A dream that for me would end with the mrs cutting my throat in my sleep if I were to buy one.

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1 hour ago, SneakyNinja said:

I can't tell if I need one of these. As someone who can barely tell the difference between 4k and 1440p on my 27" monitor, I'm not at all fussed about 4k/120Hz gaming.

 

But I am fussed about VR. All I really care about is being able to run Assetto Corsa Competizione and MS Flight Sim in VR. (And assuming any flat screen game would be less of a drain given the above statement)

 

I currently have a Ryzen 7 3700X paired with a 5700XT card which just about manages ACC in VR but struggles with Flight Sim.

 

I can't tell if a 4090 is overkill or if a 3090 would be enough for me. I know it's very subjective but anyone have any thoughts? (I'd be buying a completely new PC, not trying to upgrade my current PC)

 


If you don’t game at 4k, don’t buy a 4090. The bottleneck going on effectively makes the increases over the 3090 marginal at best. I’d argue that a 3080ti would be the best bet, but I’m biased as I will be selling one as and when I can ;) 

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1 minute ago, ilpostino said:

So what was it this time, bots again? And here I thought NVidia cared about getting cards into people's hands.

Had to have been bots, they were literally gone in about 3 seconds

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Just now, ilpostino said:

So what was it this time, bots again? And here I thought NVidia cared

 

It's not possible. Nvidia said that they had put systems in place to stop bots from botting.

 

I suspect they realised that GPU Buying Bots had and in-built Buy Limit so took all the security off of their servers.

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