Football thread 2022/23

[The Fox]

15 minutes ago, Chewylegs said:

You manufacturered that out of what he said?.....right. 

lol, how often do you hear a manager publicly blame his goalkeeper like that for conceding a goal (a goal that was essentially meaningless btw)?

[Stig]

1 hour ago, bradigor said:

Fuck me Redknapp still claiming Pope shouldn't have been sent off.

 

This time saying if he was a defender he wouldn't have been sent off. 

 

Yes he would, as the last player. You can't claim the defender being there behind the goalkeeper stops it being a goal scoring chance, as if anything with it being a goalkeeper in that situation the last player has less chance of stopping Salah as he can't use hands. 

 

Any player doing that in that exact situation is being sent off. 

 

Absolutely baffling take from Redknapp. Take the whole last man/denying a goal thing out of the equation, it was still a keeper who purposly used his hands to control the ball outside his area. That's an instant red. Pope literally just grabs the ball.

[dizogg]

Redknapp is just thick as shit. 

[Chewylegs]

2 hours ago, The Fox said:

lol, how often do you hear a manager publicly blame his goalkeeper like that for conceding a goal (a goal that was essentially meaningless btw)?

Not often admittedly but you said he manufactured a fall out which is not true.  He answered a question, honestly. 

To be fair though, being an Arsenal fan you were used to years of "I didn't see it" from your manager so it must be a bit odd. 😜 

[Chewylegs]

@The FoxGranted on other interviews I've seen he talks about being embarrassed by the decision, so you could be right! 😄

[feltmonkey]

14 hours ago, ryodi said:

Assuming they don’t recall Darlow from his loan at Hull, it’ll be either Karius or Mark Gillespie who is a local lad but hasn’t played a game for Newcastle and his club history is Carlisle United, Blyth Spartans, Walsall and Motherwell. 

 

I'm not sure if this is still the rule, but I don't think you can recall a player from loan outside the transfer window, can you? It could potentially stitch up the team who have signed the player on loan as they wouldn't be able to get a replacement in.

 

I'm firmly in the "Karius is obviously going to play out of his skin" camp. He's going to make 20 saves to keep the scoreline at 0-0 and then save three penalties in the shoot-out.

[wev]

 

 

 

 

[spork]

2 hours ago, feltmonkey said:

 

I'm not sure if this is still the rule, but I don't think you can recall a player from loan outside the transfer window, can you? It could potentially stitch up the team who have signed the player on loan as they wouldn't be able to get a replacement in.

 

I'm firmly in the "Karius is obviously going to play out of his skin" camp. He's going to make 20 saves to keep the scoreline at 0-0 and then save three penalties in the shoot-out.

They can probably be recalled but won’t be able to be registered at this point.

[Plissken]

16 hours ago, bradigor said:

Fuck me Redknapp still claiming Pope shouldn't have been sent off.

 

This time saying if he was a defender he wouldn't have been sent off. 

 

You have to view him saying that in the same way Carragher was saying that is it is "unfair" that Pope is suspended.

 

What they actually want is for the rules to be applied when they choose and to who they choose to apply them.   Which, you know, says a lot, really.

[bradigor]

Just now, Plissken said:

 

You have to view him saying that in the same way Carragher was saying that is it is "unfair" that Pope is suspended.

 

What they actually want is for the rules to be applied when they choose and to who they choose to apply them.   Which, you know, says a lot, really.

 

Don't get me started on Carragher. 

[Fry Crayola]

15 hours ago, Stig said:

Take the whole last man/denying a goal thing out of the equation, it was still a keeper who purposly used his hands to control the ball outside his area. That's an instant red

 

Is it? Surely in most cases we see it, it's also denial of a goalscoring opportunity by virtue of being the keeper.  Deliberate handball on its own isn't a red card offence for anyone else, so why for a keeper?

[wev]

 

 

 

[Stig]

3 hours ago, Fry Crayola said:

 

Is it? Surely in most cases we see it, it's also denial of a goalscoring opportunity by virtue of being the keeper.  Deliberate handball on its own isn't a red card offence for anyone else, so why for a keeper?

 

Mmmmmm now I'm second guessing myself. I was under the impression if a keeper deliberately handled outside the box it's a red.

[ryodi]

29 minutes ago, Stig said:

 

Mmmmmm now I'm second guessing myself. I was under the impression if a keeper deliberately handled outside the box it's a red.

I thought that was the case as well and I’ve vague memories or Mark Crossley catching the ball outside the area and being sent off years ago. That’s been changed so it’s treated the same way as any other player handling the ball 

 

 

[Plissken]

1 hour ago, Stig said:

 

Mmmmmm now I'm second guessing myself. I was under the impression if a keeper deliberately handled outside the box it's a red.

 

There are some instances where a goalie could deliberately handle the ball and get away with it.  There might be two or three defenders behind him and protecting the goal.  You would ask yourself why a goalie in that situation would deliberately handle it but that would most likely be a yellow.

 

However, Pope's is absolutely undeniable.  Which is why words like "a shame" or "cruel" are being used rather than "incorrect".

[Shimmyhill]

Unlike a defender handling the ball in the box, that’s not an offence 😂😂 

[Naysonymous]

 

Mentioned them at the start of the weekend but it really might be perennial bridesmaids Napoli year this year.  They had a chaotic summer, lost some key players who’d been so important for them in recent times but now they are 15 points and +20GD clear with 15 games left.  It’s going to be a collapse for the ages if they don’t win the scudetto now. 

[feltmonkey]

10 minutes ago, Plissken said:

 

There are some instances where a goalie could deliberately handle the ball and get away with it.  There might be two or three defenders behind him and protecting the goal.  You would ask yourself why a goalie in that situation would deliberately handle it but that would most likely be a yellow.

 

However, Pope's is absolutely undeniable.  Which is why words like "a shame" or "cruel" are being used rather than "incorrect".

 

I mentioned this in the Man Utd thread, but the pundits who are saying it's unfair that Pope will miss the cup final because he got sent off in a league game are conveniently forgetting that Bruno Guimaraes was sent off in the second leg of their semi-final, but will be available to play in the final because he's served his suspension in league matches. They can't have it both ways.

[MikeBeaver]

58 minutes ago, feltmonkey said:

 

I mentioned this in the Man Utd thread, but the pundits who are saying it's unfair that Pope will miss the cup final because he got sent off in a league game are conveniently forgetting that Bruno Guimaraes was sent off in the second leg of their semi-final, but will be available to play in the final because he's served his suspension in league matches. They can't have it both ways.

And that Casemeiro "Could" have been suspended for the final IF they had challenged and failed to overturn his sending off the other week, it's absolutely why united didn't challenge it, it had the potential to add anotehr game for failing.

[glb]

2 hours ago, Naysonymous said:

 

Mentioned them at the start of the weekend but it really might be perennial bridesmaids Napoli year this year.  They had a chaotic summer, lost some key players who’d been so important for them in recent times but now they are 15 points and +20GD clear with 15 games left.  It’s going to be a collapse for the ages if they don’t win the scudetto now. 

Effectively 16 points with that goal difference. Tangent, recall Richard Keys getting irate that GD didn’t matter, but it clearly does when a team has such a significant difference over other sides and a title race is tight.

 

But GD shouldn’t even come into Napoli’s thinking. Only way they might lose a bit of that lead is if they start resting players for European games. Even then they should

finally get over the line in the league at a canter.

 

Wonder if the side will get ripped apart in the summer though. Hard not to see a mammoth bid for Kvaratskhelia coming in, and there’s plenty others in the squad who will have other sides around Europe all a flutter.

[dizogg]

1 hour ago, glb said:

Effectively 16 points with that goal difference. Tangent, recall Richard Keys getting irate that GD didn’t matter, but it clearly does when a team has such a significant difference over other sides and a title race is tight.

 

But GD shouldn’t even come into Napoli’s thinking. Only way they might lose a bit of that lead is if they start resting players for European games. Even then they should

finally get over the line in the league at a canter.

 

Wonder if the side will get ripped apart in the summer though. Hard not to see a mammoth bid for Kvaratskhelia coming in, and there’s plenty others in the squad who will have other sides around Europe all a flutter.

I don’t think GD does make any difference in this case. If they lost 16 points ground to someone they would naturally be eroding that GD. 

[Fry Crayola]

Starting this year, Serie A use a title playoff if the season finishes with two teams level on points at the top. The second tiebreaker, which would come into play if three or more teams tie, is the head-to-head points tally, with head-to-head goal difference being next.

 

So Napoli's substantial goal difference advantage is unlikely to be a factor.

[wev]

Napoli need to be careful, I hear if they get to +30GD Serie A will award 30 points to Juventus

[glb]

Yeah, didn’t write my post very well. Was more reminded of a discussion Keys was having about goal difference being insignificant and not being worth a ‘bonus point’. Didn’t really fit as a reference, even using ‘tangent’ as a qualifier, as in this case Napoli are so far ahead on actual points that they could probably swap their boots for flip-flops for the rest of the season and still win Serie A.

[Mike1812]

Any Watford fans in? What do we think of Javi Gracia?

[neoELITE]

11 hours ago, Mike1812 said:

Any Watford fans in? What do we think of Javi Gracia?

 

I'm not a Watford fan but having Watford on your CV is quite a common previous employer for managers these days. He has had quite a few clubs on his CV actually. He won't last. 13th club in 16 years.

Leeds should have given that job to Dyche. 

 

Liverpool did well this evening 

 

Plymouth Argyle are going to Wembley 

[layten]

2-0 certainly is the most dangerous lead.

[Plissken]

Nice firework display, though.

[Yobo Ahoy]

On 21/02/2023 at 10:31, Mike1812 said:

Any Watford fans in? What do we think of Javi Gracia?

 

By far the best coach from the Pozzo era and probably one out of a handful where it was obvious they pulled the trigger too early; in hindsight, finishing 11th and getting to an FA cup final was incredible and our best season for 35+ years.

 

He's a bit of a jack of all trades so I'm sure he's said he'll retain whatever pressing style your chairman wants. Wouldn't be too surprised if you stayed up, he's certainly no worse than Marsch.

[Yiggy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64536218

 

So the white paper comes out tomorrow. Fundamentally a good thing though it's funny watching the prem and the big clubs 'expressing caution'. 

 

Despite not being a fan of a top 7 club in the UK I don't actually care that much about a redo of the CL to give them more matches or whatever. Let them prance about. 

 

But the ever growing distance between the top 7 and the rest. Then the prem and the championship, then the championship and everyone else is getting way out of hand. I firmly believe that with more shitty owners circling and wanting to buy into the riches some protection is 100% needed.