Microsoft is trying to acquire Activision Blizzard (UPDATE: CMA says NO!).

[JPL]

1 minute ago, Stanley said:

People appear confused by exclusivity deals such as extra modes, timed exclusivity, etc. and platform exclusives. There is nothing wrong with platform exclusives. 

Which people?

 

Personally I think all third party exclusives are bad and are only in place to shaft the consumer of choice.

[Gabe]

1 hour ago, RubberJohnny said:

It's a bit more than 'timed exclusives' as people are pretending it is, Sony have basically locked down all of Square Enix's output as permanent exclusives - FFXVI was announced as PS5 and PC, and then PC disappeared when they signed some Sony deal, for example.

Is this official then, or just heavily rumoured?

[footle]

3 hours ago, Superunknown said:

 

These deals are far different from Sony buying Housemarque (niche) or Bungie (whose games remain multi-platform). 

 

 

 

Bungie are multi platform for now. There’s precisely nothing, given Sony own them, to stop that changing.

See also Insomniac, who in living memory have been multi platform.

[Stanley]

4 minutes ago, JPL said:

Which people?

 

Personally I think all third party exclusives are bad and are only in place to shaft the consumer of choice.

So you think Pokémon should be on Xbox and PlayStation, for example? 

[mikeyl]

Lol yeah, if Mario Kart was multi platform then we wouldn’t have the joy of PlayStation All-Stars Racing.

 

Love platform exclusives. What’s the point of having three consoles that do exactly the same thing?

[Stanley]

12 minutes ago, footle said:

Bungie are multi platform for now. There’s precisely nothing, given Sony own them, to stop that changing.

See also Insomniac, who in living memory have been multi platform.

Bungie are still being run independently though, and they can self publish wherever they want. So it’s a little bit different. 

[JPL]

11 minutes ago, Stanley said:

So you think Pokémon should be on Xbox and PlayStation, for example? 

Isn’t it a Nintendo IP? Or they part own the developer or something?

 

But yeah, I get your point. There are obviously fine lines with some of these deals. I was more talking about how both Sony and MS use these deals to specifically keep games off competitor platforms, which I find really shit.

 

I don’t particularly want to get into the weeds with these occasional outliers just so you can get one over on me though, as you know exactly what I’m talking about.

[JPL]

7 minutes ago, mikeyl said:

Lol yeah, if Mario Kart was multi platform then we wouldn’t have the joy of PlayStation All-Stars Racing.

 

Love platform exclusives. What’s the point of having three consoles that do exactly the same thing?

Mario Kart is first party. I don’t think Nintendo have to sign an exclusivity deal with themselves.

[mikeyl]

Suppose. Still makes it a platform exclusive mind.

[Sarlaccfood]

1 hour ago, JPL said:

If that’s what you want to think. I just think they would have found another route to finance, but they obviously didn’t as these kind of third party exclusive deals exist, so there was no need to explore any other options.

It’s not what I want to think, it‘s the reality. Your argument is the one that requires the hypothetical funding model not mine.
 

Sure it maybe could have made its way to market, but looking at the current state of the industry, it would have had to be heavily compromised along the lines of battle passes or mobile only. I would rather the compromise for it existing be that I have to play it on a Nintendo console than it being a GaaS or a failed kickstarter. 
 

 

[Stanley]

3 minutes ago, JPL said:

Isn’t it a Nintendo IP? Or they part own the developer or something?

 

But yeah, I get your point. There are obviously fine lines with some of these deals. I was more talking about how both Sony and MS use these deals to specifically keep games off competitor platforms, which I find really shit.

 

I don’t particularly want to get into the weeds with these occasional outliers just so you can get one over on me though, as you know exactly what I’m talking about.

I’m not trying to get one over on you, I just don’t have a problem with platform exclusives whoever they’re made by, first party or third party. 
 

You know, Demon’s Souls and Bloodborne are both PlayStation exclusives despite From being third party. What is the problem with that? 
 

Now if Dark Souls 4 was PlayStation exclusive then yeah I could understand how  Xbox owners might be pissed off - but the other two, no, they were never a selling point of that system. Nobody has any right to demand which games are made for which system if they are outright exclusive. 
 

Same goes for something like Sunset Overdrive. Insomniac typically made PlayStation games before they made a deal with MS to fund this. PlayStation owners have no beef there.

[JPL]

I’ve got no beef really as I own all the consoles. I just find some of the deals are put in place specifically to deny consumer choice and drive people to certain consoles, which of course is great for the company doing it, but not for someone who doesn’t own that console. Basically, MS buying up devs is bad. Sony sweeping up a load of third party exclusives is bad. And vice versa.

 

Anyway, it’s not really a point worth going over too much, but I stand by what I think and I’d much prefer more choice than less.

[Talk Show Host]

9 hours ago, Sarlaccfood said:

It’s not what I want to think, it‘s the reality. Your argument is the one that requires the hypothetical funding model not mine.
 

Sure it maybe could have made its way to market, but looking at the current state of the industry, it would have had to be heavily compromised along the lines of battle passes or mobile only. I would rather the compromise for it existing be that I have to play it on a Nintendo console than it being a GaaS or a failed kickstarter. 
 

 

I am not sure what you are arguing here. 3rd party exclusives have always been a good choice to get games out there, yes, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s just using money to limit customer choice and advance a platform in the market by creating a huge advantage which translates to sales to marketing and eventually to brand strength and awareness. 

Are you saying that this is all good because games would not get made any other way, ever? If so , that is quite a ridiculous thing to suggest.

 

[Stanley]

Today in the thread that’s lost the plot, if it ever had one..

[Talk Show Host]

4 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Today in the thread that’s lost the plot, if it ever had one..

No one is keeping you here. Your constant and, frankly, useless remarks are beginning to tire. 

[thesnwmn]

Day 2 begins

 

[Stanley]

19 minutes ago, Talk Show Host said:

No one is keeping you here. Your constant and, frankly, useless remarks are beginning to tire. 

It was a lighthearted comment, your response could be an indication you need to step back. This isn’t your life. 

[Talk Show Host]

13 minutes ago, Stanley said:

It was a lighthearted comment, your response could be an indication you need to step back. This isn’t your life. 

It didn’t read like a lighthearted comment coming after my post, sorry to inform you. But it’s good to know that it was. Just try to be less provocative, no reason to be like that in what already has been a heated discussion for months.

[Stanley]

3 minutes ago, Talk Show Host said:

It didn’t read like a lighthearted comment coming after my post, sorry to inform you. But it’s good to know that it was. Just try to be less provocative, no reason to be like that in what already has been a heated discussion for months.

I don’t need telling how to conduct myself, I won’t change to appease you sorry to inform you.

[Talk Show Host]

6 minutes ago, Stanley said:

I don’t need telling how to conduct myself, I won’t change to appease you sorry to inform you.

Well, it was just feedback on why my response was like that. From your tone now it certainly doesn’t feel your comment was lighthearted in the first place, which, it really wasn’t, right?

 

edit: English is not my native language so if “sorry to inform you” has any insulting meaning or tone I wasn’t aware of it.

[Uncle Mike]

Neither of you appear to have any idea what you're arguing about or why, so perhaps you could both chill out.

[Stanley]

5 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

Neither of you appear to have any idea what you're arguing about or why, so perhaps you could both chill out.

Does anyone? 

[Talk Show Host]

16 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

Neither of you appear to have any idea what you're arguing about or why, so perhaps you could both chill out.

I just quoted another poster about 3rd party exclusivity. Have no idea what’s going on with Stanley, so I’ll just move on.

[Stanley]

3 minutes ago, Talk Show Host said:

I just quoted another poster about 3rd party exclusivity. Have no idea what’s going on with Stanley, so I’ll just move on.

I was questioning you over and over yesterday about this ‘strategy’ you kept referring to, the discussion kind of fell apart at that point. 

[mikeyl]

If Sony had as much money as God and a monopoly on every computer, server, internet browser and typewriting programme on the planet, maybe they too can consider if they can afford a strategy too.

[Talk Show Host]

1 hour ago, Stanley said:

I was questioning you over and over yesterday about this ‘strategy’ you kept referring to, the discussion kind of fell apart at that point. 

I replied clearly to everything, you just didn’t have any arguments, so you kept posting empty questions like “what do you mean by Sony exclusives?” So let’s just drop it and move on. 

[Talk Show Host]

1 hour ago, mikeyl said:

If Sony had as much money as God and a monopoly on every computer, server, internet browser and typewriting programme on the planet, maybe they too can consider if they can afford a strategy too.

Well, if poor and weak Sony cannot afford a strategy, how on earth are they on top of the world? Oh wait, they also used a shifting time in the industry to take advantage of their new technology and throw money at it until customers had only one choice in the end.

 

Thats a great strategy in my book, since this is all about business. 🙂

[b00dles]

I've never read a more confused load of posts written in such a way that is not only contradictory but as though it's all totally obvious and we're stupid for not understanding what you're talking about even though it makes no sense. 

[Talk Show Host]

Just now, b00dles said:

I've never read a more confused load of posts written in such a way that is not only contradictory but as though it's all totally obvious and we're stupid for not understanding what you're talking about even though it makes no sense. 

Thank the lords your post is a shining example of proper arguments against my nonsense then.

[b00dles]

4 minutes ago, Talk Show Host said:

Thank the lords your post is a shining example of proper arguments against my nonsense then.

It was never intended as such and I can't argue against your points because they don't make any sense and I don't want to have a pointless argument with someone.