Formula One - 2022 - Rllmuk League is live

[layten]

So what would you pick?

 

I'm going with the Ueno Clinic F1 GTR. Motorsport royalty that unlike an F1 car I'd actually have a chance at getting it around a circuit (badly, and slowly  )

[wev]

Car? Oh... Coz I'd have picked Schwantz's RGV500

[ryodi]

Hopefully Mercedes are on the pace next season or it’ll be another Max walkover with Ferrari in transition again and maybe it’s time to accept that the Schumacher years were the exception and not the rule when it comes to success at Marinello.

[davidcotton]

Sounds like he jumped before he was pushed.  

[Sidewaysbob]

No. I think he was fired out of a cannon from the factory and cleared at least three street of down town Maranello.

Arguably they had a great year with second in the constructors and second in the driver race. After the pain of the previous two years with nothing to show for them, this was a return of some form. 

 

Binotto has been culled because Ferrari. 

[kiroquai]

20 hours ago, layten said:

So what would you pick?

 

Hm, well...

 

 

1967 Ferrari 330P4, chassis 0856. Only one left in good condition (four were built). This exact one finished 2nd at the Daytona 500 and 3rd at the Le Mans 24 that year. It also won the 1000km of Monza, which was one of the very last races that Lorenzo Bandini was able to drive before his tragic Monaco crash in May.

 

It kind of bridges that gap between the old and the new, in a lot of ways. Sports car racing was about to be totally re-invented by Porsche and the 917 (I'd happily have a 917 as my second favourite after the P4). It looks incredible. It sounds even more incredible. Currently under the ownership of one Mr. Lawrence Stroll. 

[Sidewaysbob]

Easy choice 

 

 

And absolute beast of a car. So good they banned them after 2 years. 

 

My favourite story about the development of the car is from Derek Bell. Who drove one of the early prototype. As he was coming out of one of the fast corners of the test track he nailed the throttle and reached over to shift the gear leave up, only to find the chassis was flexing so much with the torque the gear stick was now half way across the cabin. 

 

 

[dino_jr]

Correct. And also for THIS noise on up/downshifts 

 

 

[layten]

Amazing gearshift noises you say?

 

[wev]

Yeah but can they do Macau on one wheel?

 

 

 

 

[mexos]

This would have been easy in past years. I’d pick the FW11b. But I’d have wanted car number 6 and… well it’s not got the appeal it once had. 
 

The other F1 car I’d like would be the 2014 Merc. I know it’s one of the narrow weird spec rule cars but I really liked it.

 

But the racing car I’d pick today would be this. 
 

 

Pop down to the local family mart to get some Asahis? Sure. 
 

[JPR]

 

So hard to choose, seen as some of my choices have already been taken I'll go with one of my first racing car loves the Aston Martin DBR1/2, the car that won Le Mans for Aston Martin and part of the 1959 World Sportscar Championship win. 

 

Still been driven properly.

 

 

Honourable mentions waiting for my garage extension go to the Linder Nöcker 1963 E-Type, with it's both tragic and amazing story, Ferrari 712 Can AM, 2 VEV and a Schumacher F2004.

[Sidewaysbob]

If we have to chose an F1 car I would have to be the Mclaren MP4/4 

 

Not as sexy as the Lancia D50 but its the most successful f1 car in my lifetime. The last of the great analog cars, before driver aids, trick suspension and fly by wire. This was seat of the pants driving, dancing where the angels fear to tread. A car that finesse its way to a dominating world championship. 

 

 

Senna and Prost, the original "worst driver paring ever" tm. 

[SeanR]

I asked the boy:

 

Ferrari SF15-T (F1)

2021 DTM Redbull Ferrari 488 GT3 (Other motorsport series)

mclaren speed tail (road car)

[Corranga]

Since we’re in the F1 thread…

 

but my real answer would be the 330P4 already mentioned as it perfectly balances the designed to race with the designed to look beautiful period, sports cars simply became flat or big wings.

 

Actually, this would be very, very high on the list too…

 

 

Because it’s iconic, and simple, but revolutionary at the same time, and probably the most beautiful of the cigar shaped F1 cars (Gurney’s Eagle a close second for me).

 

Honourable mentions for all of the great racing Ferraris too… 250LM and GT0, 57 Testarossa, 288 GTO Evo, F40LM, 333SP, 246 Dino F1, 156 shark nose…  Modern F1 appeals much less.

 

 

 

 

 

[kiroquai]

Hm tricky one if we have to pick an F1 car. I'd love a 156 (Sharknose) Ferrari from 1961, but they were all chopped up eventually and none remain. Obviously love the FW14B too. The Ferrari F2004 is possibly the most dominant (and fastest) F1 car ever.

 

I can't take my overall choice as it's a series of cars, but I'll take arguably the best version of it: The Lotus 72D. The most successful form the 72 took over its 6 (!) years of service. 72D spanned the end of 1971 until the start of 1973 and gave Emmo a world title. Plus, I mean... just look at the thing.

 

 

Before the Lotus 72, F1 cars looked like this:

 

 

 

After the Lotus 72, F1 cars looked like this:

 

 

That's an insane amount of progress in six years, and it can all be traced back to Colin Chapman waving his magic wand and changing the entire face of the sport again back in the Spring of 1970.

[Corranga]

19 minutes ago, kiroquai said:

Before the Lotus 72, F1 cars looked like this:

 

 

 

I'd have gone with this one...

Before the Lotus 72, F1 cars looked like this:

 

 

 

Chapman was an incredible genius, but as with the 25 I posted, it was proper no compromise performance to levels that make Ferrari look sensible.  Everything trimmed to the absolute max, including the life expectancy of their drivers

 

[kiroquai]

A very good point, that. Definitely something you have to keep in mind when lauding Chapman. Beautiful cars that really pushed the envelope, but that would also fold up like one if you so much as looked at them the wrong way.

[Shimmyhill]

So many greats taken but surprised this hasn’t been

[Plissken]

The MP4/4 has been mentioned and I'd have that as my F1 car, the Le Mans winning Silk Cut Jaguar XJR-9 would be a close second, but I'm going to go a little left field.

 

I fucking loved Group B when it came into Rallycross.  These were insane cars which then went even further with Evolution versions.  The Ford RS200 E2 driven by Mark Rennison was unstoppable.  Matti Alamaki in his Lancia Delta S4 was the strangest machine I've ever heard (that supercharger plus turbo combination) and seemed like it would kill you if you even looked at it wrong.  The Peugeot 205 T16 E2 was an absolute Terminator of a machine, especially in the hands of Seppo Niittymaki.  (Alamaki, his great rival, swapped the S4 for a T16 after a season.  I have no idea how much money that must have cost.)  But my favourite driver, in my favourite Group B car...

 

 

The 6R4 was a very silly idea, pulled off in the tradition of British motorsport, by men who smoked heavily, were covered in oil and had to make up in ingenuity what they didn't have in money.  It wouldn't have worked long term against the competition but with Group B dying, it became a club rallying and rallycross legend.  But that wasn't enough for Will Gollop.

 

Even with some trick tuning, 420bhp from that normally aspirated V6 just wasn't enough in a world where his competition had anything from 600-900bhp.  So he strapped TWO turbos to it and detuned it to 650bhp.  It revved to 11,000RPM!  The car looks like a terrier, small, practically square but fully capable of smacking the shit out of you. 

 

Gollop won the British Rallycross Grand Prix at Brands Hatch despite two punctures, both caused by him sliding round a corner and pressing the throttle - the tyres simply couldn't cope and tore themselves off the rims.  Seeing him gently four wheel drifting it into the opening bend at the old Croft circuit, smoke rising from all four tyres... a glorious epic thing to see as a teenager.

 

The best 6R4 ever built.

[kiroquai]

31 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

So many greats taken but surprised this hasn’t been

 

I can hear that picture

 

I also have this on the top shelving part of my work desk!

 

[Sidewaysbob]

I was there the year it won. At night in the campsite next to the pit entry, you could hear the 3 Mazda's down shifting as they turned into Arnarge. 

Then the Merc C11s would rumble past with their V8 full chat and it was like an earthquake.

 

I think its my favourite Le Mans of all time. 

[layten]

If I had to pick an F1 car. Hmm....

 

What can I say, Seb has excellent taste.

[RFT]

3 hours ago, kiroquai said:

Hm tricky one if we have to pick an F1 car. I'd love a 156 (Sharknose) Ferrari from 1961, but they were all chopped up eventually and none remain. Obviously love the FW14B too. The Ferrari F2004 is possibly the most dominant (and fastest) F1 car ever.

 

I can't take my overall choice as it's a series of cars, but I'll take arguably the best version of it: The Lotus 72D. The most successful form the 72 took over its 6 (!) years of service. 72D spanned the end of 1971 until the start of 1973 and gave Emmo a world title. Plus, I mean... just look at the thing.

 

Before the Lotus 72, F1 cars looked like this:

 

After the Lotus 72, F1 cars looked like this:

 

That's an insane amount of progress in six years, and it can all be traced back to Colin Chapman waving his magic wand and changing the entire face of the sport again back in the Spring of 1970.

 

Re the 72 - I think it's fair to say that the 72 is the most influential racing car design ever.

 

I wrote a very long post on quora about this a few years ago, but to summarise, the cigar-era F1 cars were not that conceptually different to the Auto Unions of the 1930s. Radiator, front axle, driver, engine, rear axle, gearbox. Monocoque chassis and stressed engines were really just refinements.

 

The 72 set the template that F1 cars would be built to for this day, and in fact the sidepod layout would become normal for sports-prototypes as well. In F1, Indycar, and at Le Mans, the 72's layout is still the template. the Brabham in the last pic is one of the last attempts to try a different layout that actually worked.

 

Personally for my own pick Much as I adore the 917, and the 962 I think would actually have one of these if we're talkoing "just one race car"

 

Gravel Spec impreza Coupe WRC 1998. 

 

Not the most successful iteration of the Impreza (Didn't win the championship), but wierdly I think it's the most iconic, thanks to being Colin Mcrae's car in the period of increased WRC coverage that came after his champ win in 1995, and then of course Colin McRae Rally.

[ilpostino]

 

If I can pick anything, I'll take the Quattro.

 

F1? The one I saw as a kid that I remember loving was @layten's pick above. The FW14B.

[wev]

If I have to have an F1 car it'd be the 412T2

[Shimmyhill]

6 hours ago, kiroquai said:

 

I can hear that picture

 

I also have this on the top shelving part of my work desk!

 

 

6 hours ago, Sidewaysbob said:

I was there the year it won. At night in the campsite next to the pit entry, you could hear the 3 Mazda's down shifting as they turned into Arnarge. 

Then the Merc C11s would rumble past with their V8 full chat and it was like an earthquake.

 

I think its my favourite Le Mans of all time. 

 

Herbert gets a free pass for life (even on Sky) due to that car and that race - I’m jealous of both of you to be fair, I need to get a model and a time machine 😂

 

I love everything about the car, mostly that it was shit for years and had one last shot before the rule changes etc 

[layten]

It was still shit, but reliable.  

[PaB]

On 29/11/2022 at 18:50, Sidewaysbob said:

Easy choice 

 

 

And absolute beast of a car. So good they banned them after 2 years. 

 

My favourite story about the development of the car is from Derek Bell. Who drove one of the early prototype. As he was coming out of one of the fast corners of the test track he nailed the throttle and reached over to shift the gear leave up, only to find the chassis was flexing so much with the torque the gear stick was now half way across the cabin. 

 

 

From this years FoS . Basically every car that people have listed here is there . If you’ve never been you should go . 

[Graham S]

Lando and Zak are visiting my office soon (we’re a sponsor). If I have to ask a question to look intelligent and well informed, what’s a fruitful line of enquiry?