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[mexos]

10 hours ago, layten said:

 

You love to see it. 

[ryodi]

Perez kept Hamilton behind him in Turkey as well. Although along with Alpha Tauri Max had three other drivers helping him last season. 

[kiroquai]

It's just so totally, utterly pointless in the big picture. Max won this season's driver's championship at a canter. He's won at Monaco before too. I totally got feeling pissed off if I feel my team mate's done what Perez did on purpose, but for fuck's sake deal with it better. Have a meeting behind closed doors. Bring it all out there. Or, do what you did yesterday and just say 'ah shit sorry, my bad - got carried away, I'll make amends next time' or similar and then deal with it in the motorhome.

 

Instead, he's now thrown a suspicious eye back on his entire team. Did - as has been suggested - Perez admit to Horner and Marko he'd crashed on purpose in Monaco qualifying? If so, is that grounds for the FIA to launch an investigation/retroactively apply fines or dock points for them withholding that? It's not as if Red Bull aren't in enough shit at the moment as it is with the cost cap stuff. Plus, as mentioned above, second place for Perez does matter - potentially in financial terms for his mechanics, and also that Red Bull have never had a 1-2 in the driver's standings before and it'd be great for marketing/sporting prestige.

 

This stuff happened with Vettel too, of course. Good old Multi-21. Inevitably if you are driving well and in a team where the upper management fawn over you as some kind of flawless unparalleled deity, this shit is going to happen. Add in a driver with a Senna-esque level of being unable to process and accept setbacks as anything other than grievous personal slights (something he no doubt inherited from his Dad) and you've got a recipe for disaster.

[mexos]

12 minutes ago, kiroquai said:

...and you've got a recipe for disaster.

 

 

 

[PaB]

30 minutes ago, kiroquai said:

It's just so totally, utterly pointless in the big picture. Max won this season's driver's championship at a canter. He's won at Monaco before too. I totally got feeling pissed off if I feel my team mate's done what Perez did on purpose, but for fuck's sake deal with it better. Have a meeting behind closed doors. Bring it all out there. Or, do what you did yesterday and just say 'ah shit sorry, my bad - got carried away, I'll make amends next time' or similar and then deal with it in the motorhome.

 

Instead, he's now thrown a suspicious eye back on his entire team. Did - as has been suggested - Perez admit to Horner and Marko he'd crashed on purpose in Monaco qualifying? If so, is that grounds for the FIA to launch an investigation/retroactively apply fines or dock points for them withholding that? It's not as if Red Bull aren't in enough shit at the moment as it is with the cost cap stuff. Plus, as mentioned above, second place for Perez does matter - potentially in financial terms for his mechanics, and also that Red Bull have never had a 1-2 in the driver's standings before and it'd be great for marketing/sporting prestige.

 

This stuff happened with Vettel too, of course. Good old Multi-21. Inevitably if you are driving well and in a team where the upper management fawn over you as some kind of flawless unparalleled deity, this shit is going to happen. Add in a driver with a Senna-esque level of being unable to process and accept setbacks as anything other than grievous personal slights (something he no doubt inherited from his Dad) and you've got a recipe for disaster.

I doubt the FIA will want to get involved but ultimately I guess it’s up to redbull whether they allow the FIA to investigate.
Horner will probably have a meeting with team principle Max Verstappen and see what he wants to do. 

[Shimmyhill]

43 minutes ago, kiroquai said:

It's just so totally, utterly pointless in the big picture. Max won this season's driver's championship at a canter. He's won at Monaco before too. I totally got feeling pissed off if I feel my team mate's done what Perez did on purpose, but for fuck's sake deal with it better. Have a meeting behind closed doors. Bring it all out there. Or, do what you did yesterday and just say 'ah shit sorry, my bad - got carried away, I'll make amends next time' or similar and then deal with it in the motorhome.

 

Instead, he's now thrown a suspicious eye back on his entire team. Did - as has been suggested - Perez admit to Horner and Marko he'd crashed on purpose in Monaco qualifying? If so, is that grounds for the FIA to launch an investigation/retroactively apply fines or dock points for them withholding that? It's not as if Red Bull aren't in enough shit at the moment as it is with the cost cap stuff. Plus, as mentioned above, second place for Perez does matter - potentially in financial terms for his mechanics, and also that Red Bull have never had a 1-2 in the driver's standings before and it'd be great for marketing/sporting prestige.

 

This stuff happened with Vettel too, of course. Good old Multi-21. Inevitably if you are driving well and in a team where the upper management fawn over you as some kind of flawless unparalleled deity, this shit is going to happen. Add in a driver with a Senna-esque level of being unable to process and accept setbacks as anything other than grievous personal slights (something he no doubt inherited from his Dad) and you've got a recipe for disaster.

 

All very good points well made.

 

Now, while not planned by the team unlike a certain Italian chap… being aware of it and not reporting makes them complicit and we know what the historical punishment for crash to win tactics are  

[Oracle]

What would ultimately happen if they were guilty? How would it change the championship?

[kiroquai]

Other reasons yesterday just didn't need to happen: it was over 6th place. You're not even getting a shiny pot to file away on your shelving unit down there!

 

Also, Max just doesn't need to be like this. His driving does the talking. The odd move where he relies on the other driver to make room aside (he is far from alone when it comes to that, it sadly seems to be something modern F1 is all about) he's brilliant to watch; always on the edge, pushing the car hard... he's the kind of driver that you want to support. It's the stuff that comes with it that's the problem.

 

What he did yesterday just opens his team up to potential issues from outside again. I seem to recall Leclerc was on a good lap when Perez bought out the red flag in Monaco, too. Ferrari would now be within their rights to nudge the FIA on the shoulder and say 'er, so about this Perez thing - care to take a quick look?'.

[davadvice1]

Didn't Max fuck himself after admitting in a press briefing that he floored it while under yellows, giving him a penalty. 

[mexos]

He's morphing into Alonso, just as hoped expected. 

• Win 2 championships early on
• Shit on his team mate for no good reason
• Create a toxic culture within the team
• Get your own team into hot water over 'shenanigans'

Watch next as he burns his bridges with Red Bull and moves to Ferrari.  🍿

 

[ryodi]

6 minutes ago, davadvice1 said:

Didn't Max fuck himself after admitting in a press briefing that he floored it while under yellows, giving him a penalty. 

Yes Mexico 2019 when Bottas crashed. Maybe Max being penalised this time is the stewards like Hamilton finally having enough of his driving. 
 

If it does all blow up and Perez is booted maybe Danny Ric will be on the grid next season.

[morcs]

"I have my reasons but I'm not telling you them" is essentially how he answered to why he didn't take the knee for BLM as well, which didn't exactly help the accusation that he doesn't discourage racism from his fans.

 

On that note I hope Piquet is fuming that Lewis has been made honourary Brazilian 🤗

[Blue]

I think there is very, very little chance that Checo crashed deliberately at Monaco and precisely zero chance that he admitted as much to the team. The video proves nothing as the hybrid era cars have always been notorious for peaky torque coming out of slow corners. Max may well have it in his head that Checo binned it deliberately though. I wouldn't be surprised if Checo's contract runs out prematurely next season, Max having shot himself in the foot on this one by losing the trust, respect and compliance of the perfect wingman.

[wev]

13 minutes ago, mexos said:

He's morphing into Alonso, just as hoped expected. 

• Win 2 championships early on
• Shit on his team mate for no good reason
• Create a toxic culture within the team
• Get your own team into hot water over 'shenanigans'

Watch next as he burns his bridges with Red Bull and moves to Ferrari.  🍿

 

My thoughts exactly, and like Alonso, nothing is ever his fault

[kiroquai]

On the topic of teammates falling out, I believe the Villeneuve and Pironi documentary should be coming any day soon. They're doing online screenings in the US and Canada at the moment.

 

I'm obviously very familiar with the story, so can highly recommend it when it does come out. A case study in how weak team management caused an incredibly toxic and - ultimately - tragic rift between two very different people who were great friends up until that point.

[rafaqat]

18 hours ago, ryodi said:

Max didn’t give the place back to to Monaco. Screwing over his teammate and taking Hamilton out, maybe all those ‘Max has matured’ articles were a bit premature. I’m annoyed because it robbed us of a Mercedes’ fight throughout the race and I think this means Russell has now beaten Hamilton in the standings this season. 

 

Max will ALWAYS drive like this when he doesn't have the fastest car.   Always.  The fucking penis

[Nick_L]

3 hours ago, kiroquai said:

This stuff happened with Vettel too, of course. Good old Multi-21

 

That was a shitty move as well but I can kind of understand it - it was the beginning of the season where every point could still matter. Yesterday just made Max look like a complete bellend

 

Part of me hopes Perez is like "lol, fuck you guys, ive won a couple of races and made some money, im off"

[layten]

😬

[wev]

RB will probably find a way to throw Perez under a bus like they did siding with Vettel after the Turkey collision

[bear]

Whatever about Max's actions during the race I'm surprised that someone that's part of, or at least close to, Team Verstappen put that Monaco story out there in the way they did. It's obvious where the story came from and it's really poured petrol on the story. 

 

Perez has to be fuming that a story about him effectively being a cheat is getting so much attention. 

[SeanR]

We’ve always been at war after Monaco

[wev]

[Meers]

According to Dutch news sites, RB leadership has apparently told (off) Max that for the rest of the season the focus is on Checo. So Max has to assist him wherever and whenever he can.

[JohnC]

"the rest of the season"

 

A whole race there.

[MrPogo]

5 hours ago, Nick_L said:

 

That was a shitty move as well but I can kind of understand it - it was the beginning of the season where every point could still matter. Yesterday just made Max look like a complete bellend

 

Part of me hopes Perez is like "lol, fuck you guys, ive won a couple of races and made some money, im off"

The correct reaction of a principled man is clearly to hang around and play the team game until he has the opportunity to deny Max a hand at a point which really hurts.

[djbhammer]

No idea why everyone is talking about the Max / Checo incident. All the talk should be on the exciting Fantasy F1 rllmuk league and the fight for the championship!  Can’t believe I’m top again, one race away from a second successive title! Max will probably take all my drivers out now in the race at Abu Dhabi........

[ryodi]

1 hour ago, Meers said:

According to Dutch news sites, RB leadership has apparently told (off) Max that for the rest of the season the focus is on Checo. So Max has to assist him wherever and whenever he can.

Max to give Checo a tow during the qualifying then. I doubt they’ll be close enough to swap places during the race.

[JohnC]

Max to take him out so he doesn't have to assist.

[Bacon Horsemeat]

8 hours ago, morcs said:

"I have my reasons but I'm not telling you them" is essentially how he answered to why he didn't take the knee for BLM as well, which didn't exactly help the accusation that he doesn't discourage racism from his fans.

 

On that note I hope Piquet is fuming that Lewis has been made honourary Brazilian 🤗

 

I was really surprised to hear the support for Hamilton this year. Every time he passed in the sprint it was a roar. A huge contrast to the years post 2008 when he pipped Massa to the WC

[bear]

32 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Max to take him out so he doesn't have to assist.

You need to think bigger.

 

Max takes out LeClerc thus securing P2 in the championship for Perez while also "helping" Mercedes to P2 in the constructors and the accompanying reduction in aero testing.