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I’ve been thinking of getting Series X, and have been doing a reasonable amount of checking without being totally obsessive over the past couple of weeks. I haven’t been able to get one at RRP. The only opportunities have been bundled with SSDs or Elite controllers, the official hire purchase scheme, or ship in the New Year and I’m on holiday after today so what’s the point of that? I don’t really care, I have a One X that I barely use. I should save my cash, I was just being frivolous and expansive at Xmas. But they’re definitely not easily available. 

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5 hours ago, dumpster said:

Brexit. Covid. I get it. 

 

But it's been a whole year.  Companies like Sony and Microsoft surely have the resources to fix issues, be that manufacture or transportation. 

 

Sony and Microsoft have both declared their consoles to be great successes and Sony even claimed the PS5 is selling faster than PS4. 

 

But how? How can they possibly be surviving and making money when you can't buy their product?  It's crazy.  I can't even find a Series S for Xmas to gift.  

 

It seems the only way to buy one of these consoles is to sign up for a Twitter feed or use a stock hunting app.  This surely excludes the mass market from buying one.  People like us on this forum will do that, but surely Sony and Microsoft are now just days away from missing their second Christmas and I just have to wonder how on earth they can allow that to happen?  

 

Probably just a rant from me there, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on this.  Anyone here working in a game store? How's it going? Where's the stock?  What are your thoughts? 

 

I bought my second hand electric car in feb, its worth 3k more than I paid for it as you can’t buy new cars due to chip shortages etc - I’m not sure the availability of consoles is that high on the list of priorities esp when there is little or no profit in them I like every other consumer electronic device, car etc.

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I was able to buy a Series X yesterday after being in a telegram stock alert group for about a week. After a few alerts that must have been tiny amounts because they were sold out instantly, yesterday amazon Germany had a decent amount of stock. I even had time to mess up paying for it once. 

 

But yeah, definitely not easy to get one and impossible for the casual consumer. 

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Without turning this into a stock checker thread I just added a Series X elite + controller bundle at currys by the way. I think the ps5 bundle there is also doable

 

edit- no planning, stock checkers, just looked. Obviously the bundles are trash but I guess you can flip them 

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26 minutes ago, Graham S said:

I have a One X that I barely use. I should save my cash, I was just being frivolous and expansive at Xmas. But they’re definitely not easily available. 

:) Exactly the conclusion I came up with after getting one last year! (except I had a PC). Think its part FOMO and having something *new* to play with but the novelty soon wears of TBH. Especially if you already have an Xbox console. Sure the Series consoles are faster at loading etc and a little smoother on some games but it all feels very familiar after only a short amount of time. Even the controller is pretty much the same. Great if you don't have an Xbox console though already... and cheaper than an upgrade to a PC (if you can actually get the parts to upgrade at the moment)

 

I was lucky enough to get both new consoles from other forum members on here. Although to be honest it was mostly FOMO for me. However the PS5 does feel a bit more novel than the Series X did. It also appears my PC does run the new games MS released this year well enough for me. So glad I stuck with a PS5.

 

One thing is for sure though its a good time to give them a playtest at the moment as its not often after a year of owning a console you can get what you paid out for it or indeed sometimes a bit more. :) Been on the verge of selling the PS5 a few times but just cannot be bothered with the hassle and well I do enjoy booting it up from time to time and playing something and enjoying catching up with some PS4 games I missed.

 

Series X consoles seem to be easier to get just looked at a local argos and they are in stock to click and collect...

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15 minutes ago, mikeyl said:

Without turning this into a stock checker thread I just added a Series X elite + controller bundle at currys by the way. I think the ps5 bundle there is also doable

 

edit- no planning, stock checkers, just looked. Obviously the bundles are trash but I guess you can flip them 

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you misunderstand me I wanted less faff not more.

 

Quoting bundles? you may as well link to scalpers on ebay. Either

 

a) pay more than RRP

b) Buy a bundle and flip the bits to try and make some money back and pay over RRP

c) use a stock check app

 

I stick to my original point, the fact you can't just buy a console from a shop indicates they are hard to find and stock levels are very poor.

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27 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

I bought my second hand electric car in feb, its worth 3k more than I paid for it as you can’t buy new cars due to chip shortages etc - I’m not sure the availability of consoles is that high on the list of priorities esp when there is little or no profit in them I like every other consumer electronic device, car etc.

I imagine it's a fairly high priority for Sony and Microsoft.

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Yeah F the bundles but that was me taking a 5 minute look. But I think it’s probably more demand being unprecedented rather than poor stock, especially if the ps5 is doing PS4 numbers and with a close second placed competitor. No chance of these sitting on shelves in the medium term.

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2 minutes ago, mikeyl said:

Yeah F the bundles but that was me taking a 5 minute look. But I think it’s probably more demand being unprecedented rather than poor stock, especially if the ps5 is doing PS4 numbers and with a close second placed competitor. No chance of these sitting on shelves in the medium term.

I think it is a 2 part thing with one helping to fuel the other

 

1) There is a chip shortage - it is hard to keep up with demand with cars, motorcycles, toys, kickstarter gadgets, consoles etc.*

2) FOMO is a thing and if people hear it is hard to get hold of they'll try super hard to get one even if they are not 100% sure about it

 

1 drives 2 and it creates a loop.

 

* An exception seems to be that Apple seem to have enough stock to do their annual launch thing, I assume they have chip manufacturers tied in for the long haul meaning they aren't hit as badly.

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With chips and electronics, I’d imagine every office worker in the world needing to ramp up their chip consumption by ordering in their wfh setup. There must be at least double the number of shitty iiyama monitors in the wild now than pre Rona.

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16 minutes ago, Dapple said:

I imagine it's a fairly high priority for Sony and Microsoft.

 

Well, we know its not enough of a priority that they outbid Apple and Samsung for the manufacturing time - they are a victim of their own model as they sell close to a loss and would have hoped for cost reductions at chip level by now not rises.

 

I imagine even with Sony the PS5 is much lower down the list of priorities when they sell so many other consumer devices on a cyclical basis so have to get the chips for those.

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17 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

Well, we know its not enough of a priority that they outbid Apple and Samsung for the manufacturing time - they are a victim of their own model as they sell close to a loss and would have hoped for cost reductions at chip level by now not rises.

 

I imagine even with Sony the PS5 is much lower down the list of priorities when they sell so many other consumer devices on a cyclical basis so have to get the chips for those.

 

PlayStation has been Sony's life's blood for years now! It's consistantly their biggest earner, so of course it's priority number one. 

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4 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

PlayStation has been Sony's life's blood for years now! It's consistantly their biggest earner, so of course it's priority number one. 

 

Its the most profitable department but its not the lifeblood it was a while ago and its certinally not based on PS5 hardware sales - they have set the level of manufacturing for at least a year so the availability on the market is a result of this, if they wanted to sell more they would have bought more time but it would have affected the bottom line so they haven’t.

 

Its very easy to pickup any other Sony device in the boom entertainment market at the moment and unlike gaming division their profits arent in decline….

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3 hours ago, dumpster said:

I object to the argument that you can get one if you want one.  I'm helping my mum source a Series S for Xmas and left to her own shopping skills she'd have no chance.  I'm using a stock app to find them and that's not something any normal shopper should need to do. 

 

Edit: thanks everyone pointing out where I can get one.  My point is Yes, I can get one and most of the people on this forum probably could, but you'll be using stock check apps and Twitter feeds to do it.  My mum, quite rightly, expected to wander into Argos and pick one up next time she happens to be there. And you'd imagine that's not an unreasonable thought a year after launch.

 

This. The "not trying hard enough" argument might be fair for other specialist online communities, but not for your "average" shopper. There's no way that keeping stock-tracking apps and websites open all day is close to becoming a "normal" procedure because it shouldn't need to be. I think that my parents are pretty good with technology and the internet - if there's something they don't yet know, they'll be keen to learn - and I could probably talk to them about stock tracking if they ever needed to know, but it's hardly a convenient way to shop.

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8 hours ago, dumpster said:

Brexit. Covid. I get it. 

 

But it's been a whole year.  Companies like Sony and Microsoft surely have the resources to fix issues, be that manufacture or transportation. 

 

Sony and Microsoft have both declared their consoles to be great successes and Sony even claimed the PS5 is selling faster than PS4. 

 

But how? How can they possibly be surviving and making money when you can't buy their product?  It's crazy.  I can't even find a Series S for Xmas to gift.  

 

It seems the only way to buy one of these consoles is to sign up for a Twitter feed or use a stock hunting app.  This surely excludes the mass market from buying one.  People like us on this forum will do that, but surely Sony and Microsoft are now just days away from missing their second Christmas and I just have to wonder how on earth they can allow that to happen?  

 

Probably just a rant from me there, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on this.  Anyone here working in a game store? How's it going? Where's the stock?  What are your thoughts? 

Series S currently in stock at Amazon if it helps.

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1 hour ago, Qazimod said:

 

This. The "not trying hard enough" argument might be fair for other specialist online communities, but not for your "average" shopper. There's no way that keeping stock-tracking apps and websites open all day is close to becoming a "normal" procedure because it shouldn't need to be. I think that my parents are pretty good with technology and the internet - if there's something they don't yet know, they'll be keen to learn - and I could probably talk to them about stock tracking if they ever needed to know, but it's hardly a convenient way to shop.


It not that hard honestly, the example I gave in the reply, the first thing you can do when looking for a Microsoft Xbox Series S was to look on the Microsoft store. Google would’ve probably taken you there. And there it was, Xbox Series S in stock. Looking for an X and a PS5 was harder, but I was sent from the Microsoft store to Currys for a (shitty) bundle. All of that took about 5 minutes and I was only looking to try win an argument lol

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9 hours ago, dumpster said:

Companies like Sony and Microsoft surely have the resources to fix issues, be that manufacture or transportation. 

I apologize for seizing upon the OP and not reading down thread, but no, they don't. They don't have the money or expertise to spin up silicon fabrication. The big players are investing tens of billions into something that will take them, the ones that dominate the market, a long time to reap the benefits of.

 

edit - OK, I'm fairly sure this is the episode on NPR that had an expert describe the whole silicon thing from start to finish:

https://www.marketplace.org/2021/09/17/whats-behind-chip-shortage/

 

I don't like to post links that take up your time without context, so basically it's the auto industry assuming WFH would result in fewer cars, so other companies ordering up fab capacity, but now car stuff is on back order and hang on, we're having trouble sourcing silicon anyway from the long, complicated supply chain. It's fascinating to listen to. I've said this before, but our entire society is scarily just-in-time.

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