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I think the most likely buyer will be an oil regime. There's not many individuals or organisations who could afford how much the Glazers will want for the club, and even fewer who would consider it a good investment.  I don't know what Todd Boehly is up to, but I don't think it's any coincidence that both United and Liverpool's American owners have put their clubs up for sale. The end game of both those organisations seems to have been the European Super League, and that's hopefully dead now, so they're getting out. There is a unique perspective coming from American investors, who come from a country where the sporting model is based around the team's owners either having a huge influence upon or owning outright the sport's parent organisation. American sports are geared around making the sports organisations richer. They find when they buy Football clubs that they don't have any control over FIFA and UEFA, who are rich enough to resist them. FIFA and UEFA are also lazer-focussed on their own corrupt schemes of self-enrichment so they're determined not to cede any control to the clubs.

 

As a result, I'd be surprised if another American investment group would come in. I also don't think Sir Jim Ratcliffe is likely to be the buyer, at least not on his own. Frankly, I don't think Britain's richest man can afford it! Whoever buys will not only have to pay the Glazers' asking price, they'd be taking on the costs of the required stadium renovations. Would they also have to take on the club's debt? I don't know how it works.

 

Basically, as an ignorant layperson, I personally can't really see anyone who would want to take on United as a profit-taking business bidding, even taking into account what I said about the club's money-making ability. As @fatbob has mentioned in the past, that money-making seems to have plateaued, and we're struggling to maintain the income from sponsorships. Team Viewer are trying to pull out of the shirt deal at the moment, apparently.

 

So as I see it, the motivation of any buyer might not be financial. So you'd need an organisation rich enough that six billion or whatever is an inconsequential amount of money, and who might want to buy some goodwill on the world stage and extend their influence. We know what that means.

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The untapped resource is decentralising the TV rights and rinsing the streaming market. It's what makes me think the Super League isn't dead at all as there's enough owners that want it, and also FIFA are definitely looking for a prestige club tournament to call their own as really all they have is the World Cup and they would love to wrestle control away from UEFA. That an enormous £200bn purpose built football hub has just been built to host such a thing is lovely old timing too. 

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54 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

The untapped resource is decentralising the TV rights and rinsing the streaming market. It's what makes me think the Super League isn't dead at all as there's enough owners that want it, and also FIFA are definitely looking for a prestige club tournament to call their own as really all they have is the World Cup and they would love to wrestle control away from UEFA. That an enormous £200bn purpose built football hub has just been built to host such a thing is lovely old timing too. 

 

Yeah, I think there will be some American consortiums who think they can turn a $5b valuation into $20b over a 10 year period should all this come to pass.

 

At Liverpool, FSG have turned a modest outlay into a big return in a short period. But I think they probably see the effect of Micahel Edward's shrewd recruitment now gone as well as knowing that Klopp won't be there forever as a peak for them to cash in before they go, possibly a bit of a decline.

 

With United, I think they Glazers see the investment needed in the infrastructure and as they don't invest their own money United's stagnation doesn't give the budget to do it. Also, given how toxic the situation is, I expect all they see is decline so now's the time to cash in too.

 

I read some analysis on the Athletic a while back about there being a trend towards US owners in the Premier League being a broad strategy to eventually control the league and take it to an American style model with no promotion/relegation. Super League from within.

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There's also some talk that they see the worldwide TV revenue as a largely untapped resource.

 

A Super-Premier League is a worryingly believable prospect. The Premier League is different to FIFA and UEFA in that they will bend over backwards to appease the clubs. The FA are completely powerless. What are they going to do? Ban the club's from a cup competition the new generation of owners don't care about and have no emotional attachment to? I can see the club's being able to pressure the PL into adopting their model, if that's what they want to do. The only thing against that is that the crucial thing an the European Super League was that the clubs owned and controlled it. The club's would need to absorb or destroy the Premier League to do that. Still not completely unbelievable.

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Is that not an odd thing to say though, might Eriksen think to that..'so you cheer us on for our club but don't want us to succeed and feel joy at advancing away from United, all under the assumption playing a few less games is going to make a monumental difference to our form when we return to the premier league, it sounds a bit selfish and warped like'. Eriksen might make it sound less manc though. 

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He may not have scored a better goal than Giggs, but he's a better human being.  

 

The performance of Aaron Wan-Bissaka was arguably the big positive of the night.  He did really well, got a great assist, and perhaps he does have a future at the club.  Dalot has established himself as the first choice at right-back, but I always felt that AWB was discarded a bit hastily.  He had a rough time last season, but so did a lot of players.  Before that he was an exceptional 1-on-1 defender.  Getting him back to his best form would be like a new signing.

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2 hours ago, ckny said:

What's going on with Sancho? Doesn't feel like ten Hag is shielding him in his interviews, got to imagine he's pissed him off and is in the doghouse.

 

He was training with some lower division Dutch side during the world cup and then didn't go to the friendlies in Spain. I think the reasoning was something like so he can work of his fitness and mental well being or something. It's mostly rumoured he's having some personal issues or something along those lines. Either that or ETH hasn't been impressed with him behind the scenes and he's basically being doghoused.

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