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1 minute ago, Uzi said:

Can people read? It's not talking about nvme speeds lol


But it is. If eMMC is only 12% slower than the NVMe, then the speed of the NVMe can be inferred. And eMMC is slooooooow. So the SSD is also going to be slow.

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Uzi

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1 minute ago, deKay said:


But it is. If eMMC is only 12% slower than the NVMe, then the speed of the NVMe can be inferred. And eMMC is slooooooow. So the SSD is also going to be slow.

Try again 

 

Says SD. Not nvme. Edit. Delete my account I can't read 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, deKay said:

With eMMC topping out at ~600mb/s and NVMe reaching ten times that, then you can the the Steam Deck NVMe is nowhere near as fast as it could be.

 

If this is true (and I see no reason to doubt you) then I feel pretty mislead. I assumed that I would be getting something like that in the 'next gen'

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4 hours ago, LaveDisco said:

 

If this is true (and I see no reason to doubt you) then I feel pretty mislead. I assumed that I would be getting something like that in the 'next gen'

 

As far as I know, Valve were comparing load speed of one game. It was more of a "hey, the SD card's not so bad!".

 

It's not as if NVMe's show anything like their theoretical advantage in most games, especially since most are still written for HDDs.

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16 hours ago, monkeydog said:

 

As far as I know, Valve were comparing load speed of one game. It was more of a "hey, the SD card's not so bad!".

 

It's not as if NVMe's show anything like their theoretical advantage in most games, especially since most are still written for HDDs.

 

The Valve developer presentation stated that even though they only showed data from one game, they think it's a representative difference of how the majority of games will perform. The boot times are only 25% worse on the eMMC too. I'm sure some games, just like now, do show some decent advantage when run off a NVMe drive, compared to slower interface drives.

 

The NVMe interface is x4 Gen3, which gives the exact same potential maximum raw speed as the Xbox Series X interface (x2 Gen4).

 

But as game loading isn't really storage read bandwidth limited in 99.9% of existing games, it doesn't matter how many GB/s of fast storage you throw at the problem. You need somebody to solve the rest of the loading chain to get a major speed-up if you want >5s loading.

 

Valve or AMD are going to have to work on a Linux-native implementation of hardware-accelerated GPU decompression as you don't have a console-like dedicated solution to the problem.

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17 minutes ago, jonamok said:

So, in English, I should have just ordered the 64Gb model instead of the 256Gb one, stuck a 1Tb card in it, saved money, probably got it sooner, and had no discernible difference in experience? Great.

That is basically the conclusion I came to before I ordered, I've got a 512GB card ready to go. 

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Uzi

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34 minutes ago, mushashi said:

Sort of I suppose, but the NVMe variants still offer an appreciable QoL benefit for those sort of people who think a 10-15% performance improvement is praiseworthy.

And navigating the OS presumably. Try using a pc off a EEMC or SD card

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1 hour ago, Uzi said:

And navigating the OS presumably. Try using a pc off a EEMC or SD card

 

Certainly for Windows, but most flavours of Linux including Arch have far less I/O overhead. 

 

It's why there's a prevalence of Linux live distributions for things like Arcade/Retro frontends that run straight off a usb drive, like Batocera. Mileage may vary with larger games that would saturate that bandwidth, mind.

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Treble

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1 hour ago, Dimahoo said:

Being mulling over one of these. Still think i'd pay a bit more and get a laptop really.

 

I don't know.

 

Ahhhgggh

 

Even though I've got one on order, I've not really got a dog in this fight. I have a gaming PC, and played on lots of devices capable of streaming PC games at high settings (both handheld and laptop format). 

 

That said, I think you'd struggle to get a decently performing gaming laptop at a 'bit more' than the Deck. And they aren't 'play it on the sofa whilst your partner watches the stenders' portable, just 'get it setup for a sesh in the hotel you're staying in' portable. 

 

Personally I'd only recommend laptops for sofa gaming if you're playing slow m&k stuff, like strategy. Awkward and uncomfortable for anything else. If you're hooking up a pad, or something up to a monitor, and want portability with power and not too much cost, I'd go with the Deck. If it doesn't live up to your expectations, you'll doubtless be able to sell it at cost or a profit anyway. 

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mushashi

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On 14/11/2021 at 13:50, Dimahoo said:

Being mulling over one of these. Still think i'd pay a bit more and get a laptop really.

 

I don't know.

 

Ahhhgggh

 

They target different use cases really.

 

Gaming Laptop:

 

You are either space constrained at home or somebody who travels a lot and wants something with a fair bit of grunt to use when stationary with a power socket close by. Significantly more powerful than the Deck but also more expensive. The high end Deck is £570 for 512GB of NVMe storage. A similar laptop with a RTX 3060 is ~£800-1000. Which gets you at least several times that performance and decent usable Ray-Tracing. It's good enough to do Quake II RTX at upto 144fps, which you'll never be able to experience on weaker hardware. The RTX 3060 models are the best price/performance gaming laptops as the weaker stuff is so much slower for not much of a relative saving.

 

Steam Deck:

 

A true portable gaming device, capable of playing games at reduced graphical and performance settings. Any use cases for any portable game console can also be applied to the Deck, it's just chunkier.

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Mitchell

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I don't suppose therer are any rumours about this supposed Feb launch?  Just wondering when we are likely going you have to pay for it...everywhere I have read seems to be pretty confident of the Feb dates and it won't slip again.

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Praying I’m wrong, but it will definitely slip again IMHO. GabeN already posted the other day about how they are hassling their suppliers like crazy. Feels like “we really tried” groundwork for another delay. I expect I’ll get another bump (started at Q1) to after Q2, any day now.

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9 minutes ago, jonamok said:

Praying I’m wrong, but it will definitely slip again IMHO. GabeN already posted the other day about how they are hassling their suppliers like crazy. Feels like “we really tried” groundwork for another delay. I expect I’ll get another bump (started at Q1) to after Q2, any day now.

 

Turn's out It Can't All Be So Simple.

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Mitchell

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On 11/01/2022 at 00:26, jonamok said:

Praying I’m wrong, but it will definitely slip again IMHO. GabeN already posted the other day about how they are hassling their suppliers like crazy. Feels like “we really tried” groundwork for another delay. I expect I’ll get another bump (started at Q1) to after Q2, any day now.

 

Where did/does he post, just out of interest? 

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

Apart from the performance and stuff, any word on how much noise it produces running games? I hope the Deck is silent and doesn't make more noise than heavy metal.

 

Doubt it, even the GPD Max and Aya Neo have fans. Its not terrible but noticable.

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