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It's an unanswerable question, but having watched Danny Ings for a number of years I think that if he hadn't suffered several bad knee injuries, he would be the current first choice centre forward for both Liverpool and England.

 

I'm not saying Kane is not a top level player.

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13 minutes ago, Plissken said:

With Van Dijk, it was clear to everyone that Liverpool were the ones in the wrong.

 

Yep, we fucked it with the way we went about our business for him that summer. 

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10 minutes ago, redbloodcel said:

Spurs have done both of these things in recent years, in no small part because of Kane's contributions. 

 

Yeah there was a cup final last year wasn't there. I guess getting to the odd final and not doing anything in them does count as challenging for them. I don't mean that in an arsey way, there wasn't much Spurs could have done against how dominant City were. I think Spurs should keep an unhappy Kane who desperately wants to leave because despite him knowing he's among the best in the world in his position he ought to waste the last 6 years of his career competing at the highest level accepting never enjoying what it feels like to taste cup success.

 

It's like i don't think of Arsenal challenging for the league and cups even if they then inexplicably win a few and end up in finals. It's how transitional both clubs are at the moment.

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1 hour ago, Shimmyhill said:

Likely biased but there is plenty of talk that Kane is on extended leave and not even due back….

 

I'd heard he was supposed to pop in today for a COVID test but not train.

 

But who even the fuck knows.

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31 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

Those players you have listed are all absolutely miles below the level of Kane. 

 

Yeah I know. Unless you get Haaland or Lewandowski you're not getting someone comparable. But so what? People do this thing where they go 'that club can't replace that player, they can't!! who is gonna score that many goals?!!' as though goals don't come through team play anyway and can't be shared around. Just because you have a striker who scores 25 a season doesn't mean by not having that, success is impossible. Liverpool had Salah and Suarez produce record breaking seasons and they still didn't win the league. Then when there was no outright star and the goals were shared as moderate numbers each, with fullbacks and midfielders chipping, they did. Cos the defence improved like...but still.

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33 minutes ago, Plissken said:

It's an unanswerable question, but having watched Danny Ings for a number of years I think that if he hadn't suffered several bad knee injuries, he would be the current first choice centre forward for both Liverpool and England.

 

I'm not saying Kane is not a top level player.

But he did suffer those injuries so the question has been answered... Ings is not as good as Kane. You can't buy the non-injured version of Ings. 

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33 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

 

Yeah there was a cup final last year wasn't there. I guess getting to the odd final and not doing anything in them does count as challenging for them. I don't mean that in an arsey way, there wasn't much Spurs could have done against how dominant City were. I think Spurs should keep an unhappy Kane who desperately wants to leave because despite him knowing he's among the best in the world in his position he ought to waste the last 6 years of his career competing at the highest level accepting never enjoying what it feels like to taste cup success.

 

It's like i don't think of Arsenal challenging for the league and cups even if they then inexplicably win a few and end up in finals. It's how transitional both clubs are at the moment.

The cup final, the champions league final, the 2nd place league finish. Honestly for someone trying to not sound arsey you aren't doing a great job...

I'm not bothered about Kane leaving really. He's always been a great player for spurs and probably deserves a move. I just don't want him to go on the cheap and don't understand him being retconned into being a Danny Ings level player with a Daniel Sturridge level of fragility.

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32 minutes ago, Dudley said:

 

I'd heard he was supposed to pop in today for a COVID test but not train.

 

But who even the fuck knows.

 

Spurs talk is that he has to isolate after his holiday so will be back as was always planned when this is over…

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28 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

It's like i don't think of Arsenal challenging for the league and cups even if they then inexplicably win a few and end up in finals. It's how transitional both clubs are at the moment.

 

Football isn't based on perception fortunately. 

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43 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

 

Yeah there was a cup final last year wasn't there. I guess getting to the odd final and not doing anything in them does count as challenging for them. I don't mean that in an arsey way, there wasn't much Spurs could have done against how dominant City were. I think Spurs should keep an unhappy Kane who desperately wants to leave because despite him knowing he's among the best in the world in his position he ought to waste the last 6 years of his career competing at the highest level accepting never enjoying what it feels like to taste cup success.

 

It's like i don't think of Arsenal challenging for the league and cups even if they then inexplicably win a few and end up in finals. It's how transitional both clubs are at the moment.

 

With Kane Spurs have outperformed their funding - champs league final, league cup final, runners up in the league - regular 3rd and 4th places all with the funding for 6th place and the average spend of a relegation team ;) 

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15 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

Spurs talk is that he has to isolate after his holiday so will be back as was always planned when this is over…

 

The Athletic seem to be very reliable and they're insisting he's skiving.

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3 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

The cup final, the champions league final, the 2nd place league finish. Honestly for someone trying to not sound arsey you aren't doing a great job...

 

I might have managed to piss off spurs fans and arsenal fans in the space of a few posts. I just mean now, where the team is now. That 2nd finish was 4 years ago and a different team under a different manager who had spent 2 seasons building up to that point, so this season with a new manager everything kind of starts again.

 

3 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

I'm not bothered about Kane leaving really. He's always been a great player for spurs and probably deserves a move. I just don't want him to go on the cheap and don't understand him being retconned into being a Danny Ings level player with a Daniel Sturridge level of fragility.

 

What would be considered 'cheap'? £100m? £120m? 

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5 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

 

I might have managed to piss off spurs fans and arsenal fans in the space of a few posts. I just mean now, where the team is now. That 2nd finish was 4 years ago and a different team under a different manager who had spent 2 seasons building up to that point, so this season with a new manager everything kind of starts again.

 

 

What would be considered 'cheap'? £100m? £120m? 

You mentioned £65-90m earlier. I personally think that he's got to be worth £100m+. £120m sounds fair. 

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Just now, Stoppy2000 said:

You mentioned £65-90m earlier. I personally think that he's got to be worth £100m+. £120m sounds fair. 

 

That's why i mentioned £65-90m though, that's what other top players go for yet people are saying Levy isn't happy with £100m and expects £150m. Presumably City offered £100m first, or second. 

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1 minute ago, Loik V credern said:

 

That's why i mentioned £65-90m though, that's what other top players go for yet people are saying Levy isn't happy with £100m and expects £150m. Presumably City offered £100m first, or second. 

Who is the last top player with 3 years left on their contract to be sold? And I'm not talking about Iheanacho or Ings...

Also the difference between £65m and £90m is quite the range. £50m only buys you a good defender these days. 

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8 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

Who is the last top player with 3 years left on their contract to be sold? And I'm not talking about Iheanacho or Ings...

 

I don’t know, can't easily find that info.

 

8 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

Also the difference between £65m and £90m is quite the range. £50m only buys you a good defender these days. 

 

Okay £75m-£90m.  

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3 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

 

Yeah but Lukaku and Sancho...

Sancho has great potential and will probably justify his fee - and may be worth more in the future. Lukaku isn't as good as Kane. He's played over a hundred games more and they are not far off each other on career total goals. 

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15 minutes ago, Plissken said:

 

He's won trophies, which Kane hasn't done.  He's also scored goals at lesser teams.

He's won two trophies. The Belgian league and Serie A. He's a great player I just don't think he's as good as Kane and the individual stats agree. 

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