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Why do I have to contribute anymore than that? I'm now not allowed a say because I showed you the team and said you are winding us up with your inevitable comment? Fuck around.

 

Why do you keep addressing the team sheet like it wasn't the team that played yesterday? 

 

Anyhow, I'm leaving it there because it's a pointless argument to keep going on with.

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23 minutes ago, Chewylegs said:

Why do I have to contribute anymore than that?

 

You don't but you don't get to bitch about "It being a joy to come into the thread" directly after delivering a drive by shitpost.

 

I have literally no idea what your other line even means.

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10 hours ago, Plissken said:

 

Oh, so likes Pep's tactical fouling, the officials are beginning to cotton on to something the rest of us noticed a long time ago.

Eh? Players are always looking to get their body in between the ball and the defender and will more often than not get a free-kick for it (as Mane did just moments after the penalty incident.) How can you give the foul on Mane but not the penalty?

 

That also supposes that he did stop to wait for contact rather than, you know, try and shoot. If you watch it again you can see he is about to wind his left foot up to have a crack.

 

But let's assume he was stopping to wait for the contact - Royal still completely smashes him to the ground - what difference would it make if he was waiting to be hit? A foul is a foul and from the angle both players are at, he's never getting ahead of the ball, it's always coming from the side (at best) or the back.

 

I can't believe I've just wasted a few minutes typing this rubbish for something that was a clear foul.

 

Anyway, I'm still more annoyed about the lack of red for Kane.

 

Changing subject, I see they've just been dumped out of the Conference league doesn't help - I imagine they probably are happy with that as it clears their fixture congestion a bit? 

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1 hour ago, hmm said:

 

Watched it a couple of times now and I'm still not completely convinced that his touch for his first goal is physically possible.

 

What do you reckon your chances of hanging onto him in January are?

Can't see him going anywhere in Jan. Summer, who knows. Would need to be a big offer and he's already at an age that epl clubs tend to ignore players who haven't already done it at the top level.

 

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13 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

The conference league has been a complete pain. It's more annoying that we even got into it in the first place. It's going to make the race for 7th(?) this season interesting. Arsenal seem to be enjoying not having any euro distractions. 

 

It's a competition that would be better off without the teams who don't want to be there, of which there are relatively few.

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1 hour ago, Dudley said:

 

You don't but you don't get to bitch about "It being a joy to come into the thread" directly after delivering a drive by shitpost.

 

I have literally no idea what your other line even means.

A drive by shitpost.🤣 

 

A Chelsea fan crying about not being able to field a first choice side against Wolves is fucking hilarious to start with.  

 

My other line meant that it seems I'm not allowed to have a say unless it is meaningful enough to you and your high and mighty attitude. Just take it as a fucking joke as it was meant in the first place and stop with the nonsense of Chelsea not winning because it was  a 3rd choice team and some of these players might leave in January.

 

 

 

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I guess Tottenham fans are finally seeing the wisdom of Wenger's "fourth is a trophy" approach now :lol:

 

It's a bit sad though, as they could well have gone and won it (or at least provided some fun European nights) but reading the BBC live reporting so many fans are glad to be out of it - with still more than half their league games to play - on the off-chance they might get fourth (and I'm not sure they will).

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Depends, they'll have some pretty heavy fixture congestion but they've also moved games until after Conte gets to bring in players so who knows which way it'll work.

 

Badly if they waste as many chances against everyone as they did against Liverpool.

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Is there an argument that modern coaches aren’t as adaptable as previous generations? I can remember most clubs having various injury crises back in the eighties/nineties/two thousands and coaches seemed able to throw a team together even if it did mean playing a centre back up front. Coaches now seem to have lost this ability to react to adversity. 
 

Take Leeds in their last two games. We know that the coach doesn’t want to do it but surely the sensible thing to do would be to admit that for the next few games they’re going to have to change their playing style and try to grind out some results? We all love seeing great football, but if for any reason you can’t currently play great football then surely the best thing to do is temporarily alter your style of play?
 

Am I just being old fashioned? I understand that coaching has come on in leaps and bounds in the last few decades but at the same time it seems as if coaches and managers are straight jacketed with the idea that they can never deviate from whichever style of football they have chosen to play and as a result are less able to handle adversity. 

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Just now, AfromB said:

Is there an argument that modern coaches aren’t as adaptable as previous generations? I can remember most clubs having various injury crises back in the eighties/nineties/two thousands and coaches seemed able to throw a team together even if it did mean playing a centre back up front. Coaches now seem to have lost this ability to react to adversity. 
 

Take Leeds in their last two games. We know that the coach doesn’t want to do it but surely the sensible thing to do would be to admit that for the next few games they’re going to have to change their playing style and try to grind out some results? We all love seeing great football, but if for any reason you can’t currently play great football then surely the best thing to do is temporarily alter your style of play?
 

Am I just being old fashioned? I understand that coaching has come on in leaps and bounds in the last few decades but at the same time it seems as if coaches and managers are straight jacketed with the idea that they can never deviate from whichever style of football they have chosen to play and as a result are less able to handle adversity. 

Isn't that more a case that players can't adapt to it, rather than coaches? Have players become much more specialised in their roles now than was ever the case before? Everybody knows, for example, that Man Utd need a proper defensive midfielder.

 

If players were more adaptable you could train an existing player into that role, no? But the fact they haven't fixed that problem for a number of years suggests, to me, that changing a players style just isn't a thing so much now.

 

James Milner is a relic in that respect in that he can play multiple roles, but nowhere near as handily as those dedicated players - and he's not a bad player by any means, but the game has moved on. 

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19 hours ago, Stigweard said:

Can I ask what people thought were worse, the Kane tackle or Robertsons?

 

I think the red was justified but the Kane challenege was still worse for me.

 

Kane's, easily. Both were red cards but Kane's had a far higher chance of seriously injuring the other player.

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13 minutes ago, Gabe said:

Isn't that more a case that players can't adapt to it, rather than coaches? Have players become much more specialised in their roles now than was ever the case before? Everybody knows, for example, that Man Utd need a proper defensive midfielder.

 

If players were more adaptable you could train an existing player into that role, no? But the fact they haven't fixed that problem for a number of years suggests, to me, that changing a players style just isn't a thing so much now.

 

James Milner is a relic in that respect in that he can play multiple roles, but nowhere near as handily as those dedicated players - and he's not a bad player by any means, but the game has moved on. 


Maybe, I hadn’t considered that. Maybe it’s a combination of both. 

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12 minutes ago, Ork1927 said:

I think our game in Cardiff against Coventry is the first to be called off for Covid in England for Boxing Day!

I’ve just seen this. If our game against Milwall on the 29th goes ahead it will be our first game since the 11th. I don’t think we’ve currently got a covid outbreak in the squad. 
 

I think that we should start referring to this fixture as the CCFC derby. 

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1 hour ago, The Fox said:

 

Kane's, easily. Both were red cards but Kane's had a far higher chance of seriously injuring the other player.

 

Thank you. I agree Robertsons was also a red, I have no issue with that but Kanes being waved on by VAR stinks. Peter Walton has come out and said because Robertson had a leg off the ground the tackle wasn't as bad as if he's been planted. Well yeah, he has a leg off the ground to avoid having his leg broken :facepalm:

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13 minutes ago, Stigweard said:

 

Thank you. I agree Robertsons was also a red, I have no issue with that but Kanes being waved on by VAR stinks. Peter Walton has come out and said because Robertson had a leg off the ground the tackle wasn't as bad as if he's been planted. Well yeah, he has a leg off the ground to avoid having his leg broken :facepalm:

 

Im pretty sure Kane deserved a red but lets not talk nonsense, Robertson didnt have his leg off the ground in some sort of incredible anticipation of the incoming leg breaker :facepalm:

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1 hour ago, Gabe said:

Isn't that more a case that players can't adapt to it, rather than coaches? Have players become much more specialised in their roles now than was ever the case before? Everybody knows, for example, that Man Utd need a proper defensive midfielder.

 

If players were more adaptable you could train an existing player into that role, no? But the fact they haven't fixed that problem for a number of years suggests, to me, that changing a players style just isn't a thing so much now.

 

James Milner is a relic in that respect in that he can play multiple roles, but nowhere near as handily as those dedicated players - and he's not a bad player by any means, but the game has moved on. 

 

I would have thought the opposite, players are more flexible now because modern coaches change formations regularly and demand players to do different roles constantly, and players are just more technical. Fullbacks operating as playmakers or wingers, wingers operating as forwards, keepers and defenders so comfortable on the ball they could play in midfield, forwards operating as no 10s.

 

I just think coaches like Bielsa are full on in their commitment to their methods and don't want to be negative and pragmatic even if injuries call for it. Managers change formations constantly but don't necessarily have a 'plan b', other ways of playing.

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In other news, you have to admire the gall of Fifa; they have reported at their summit that they reckon a 2-year cycle for the World Cup would generate around €3.3bn - and in keeping with Wenger's vision, national associations would get some of the riches, so you can't really argue against it.

 

Perhaps this plan has some merit after all, because I'm sure with a proposed €12m (that figure isn't a typo) being given to each association, that'll transform their fortunes, right? So generous and helpful, who would ever want to vote against such a pioneering idea? 

 

Absolute scumbags, the lot of them. 

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11 minutes ago, Ork1927 said:

Talking about scrapping Fa Cup replays because God forbid the smaller teams make a bit of money (if crowds are still allowed or even if not with TV money).

 

As a one off due to the exceptional circumstances we are all living through I think everyone accepts things need to be different sometimes.

 

The season is already packed as it is and leagues can't reduce the number of games so the next logical step is to reduce cup games.

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31 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

Im pretty sure Kane deserved a red but lets not talk nonsense, Robertson didnt have his leg off the ground in some sort of incredible anticipation of the incoming leg breaker :facepalm:

 

??? Jumping out of the way when you see a late lunging tackle coming head-on is a completely standard reflex reaction and happens all the time.

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21 minutes ago, Gabe said:

In other news, you have to admire the gall of Fifa; they have reported at their summit that they reckon a 2-year cycle for the World Cup would generate around €3.3bn - and in keeping with Wenger's vision, national associations would get some of the riches, so you can't really argue against it.

 

Perhaps this plan has some merit after all, because I'm sure with a proposed €12m (that figure isn't a typo) being given to each association, that'll transform their fortunes, right? So generous and helpful, who would ever want to vote against such a pioneering idea? 

 

Absolute scumbags, the lot of them. 

 

211 members each receiving €12m leaves only around €800m for caviar and fois gras! 

 

Those poor executives!

 

Indeed, even without FIFA greed, their figures suggest the best that associations could hope for would be €15.6m. Now, while there's many a small association for whom that level of investment would be transformative, there are also many others where it's a drop in the ocean.

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Robertson only jumped because of the challenge coming in, he didn't need to jump for any other reason. There is some serious fault in that logic of yours @Shimmyhill.

 

Had Robertson not jumped that studs up lunge from Kane was hitting him just below the knee. It was instinctive to try and get out of the way.

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