Nintendo Switch OLED - who needs 4k, dat screen

[rgraves]

11 minutes ago, ZOK said:

What other consoles can do is not an issue

 

It is when that list doesn't include best-life rooftop portable MK8 parties with your excessively happy and postive model friends.

[ZOK]

As it can already do that, it’s entirely moot from the point of view of the current discussion.

[rgraves]

Just now, ZOK said:

As it can already do that

What other consoles can already do that?

[ZOK]

What are you on about now?

[Stanley]

5 minutes ago, ZOK said:

Yes, arguably it was underpowered at launch, but that’s irrelevant today because that’s what people bought when they bought it years ago. And, yet again, it is why the upgrade it requires today is not a new screen and a new stand, but more power.

 

‘Today’s market’ is one where 4K tellies have become mass market, and the Switch looks pretty sad when it can’t take advantage of that resolution. What other consoles can do is not an issue, it’s about what the Switch can’t do.

People are still buying them now, it’s the best selling console month in month out. 
 

They need to balance any performance increase against power draw and price. 4K resolution, or least a higher resolution, 1440p or whatever, and a performance increase to eliminate frame rate issues, that’s clearly not something they’re ready for yet, or perhaps not even possible, I don’t know. However a better, bigger and more power efficient screen is an upgrade for those that want it. 

Generally speaking though I’m pretty impressed with what the current Switch can do, I’m not worried that upcoming games I’m interested in such as Metroid Dread, Advance Wars, Mario Party and Kirby, etc won’t look good and or will run poorly, there are certainly no indications that current software is struggling. 
 

Anyway, it’s not like you’re being forced to buy one, and I think that’s a plus point - no one needs to worry that their current model isn’t good enough and they are not splitting their user base up. 
 

Personally cannot wait to try the new machine with Dread, I think it will look fantastic on that screen. 

[rgraves]

2 minutes ago, ZOK said:

What are you on about now?

 

What was it you were raving about before - please *read* posts?

 

You said what *other* consoles could do was not relevant. I said it was, as those other consoles (while doing 4k etc), aren't portable. It's not apples->apples as much as apples->dragon fruit basically.

[ZOK]

2 minutes ago, Stanley said:

People are still buying them now, it’s the best selling console month in month out. 
 

They need to balance any performance increase against power draw and price. 4K resolution, or least a higher resolution, 1440p or whatever, and a performance increase to eliminate frame rate issues, that’s clearly not something they’re ready for yet, or perhaps not even possible, I don’t know. However a better, bigger and more power efficient screen is an upgrade for those that want it. 

Generally speaking though I’m pretty impressed with what the current Switch can do, I’m not worried that upcoming games I’m interested in such as Metroid Dread, Advance Wars, Mario Party and Kirby, etc won’t look good and or will run poorly, there are certainly no indications that current software is struggling. 
 

Anyway, it’s not like you’re being forced to buy one, and I think that’s a plus point - no one needs to worry that their current model isn’t good enough and they are not splitting their user base up. 
 

Personally cannot wait to try the new machine with Dread, I think it will look fantastic on that screen. 

 

That’s my whole point - I’m not buying one because there is no point. Instead I’ve got a pre-order on a Steamdeck I’ve really got no real interest in, because what I want is a Switch that is better than the current one and it seems a bit like it.

 

I really hope you get value out of the new screen, but as I’ve said before an upgrade that will only really seem meaningful if you play them side by side is not what I’m after.

[ZOK]

2 minutes ago, rgraves said:

 

What was it you were raving about before - please *read* posts?

 

You said what *other* consoles could do was not relevant. I said it was, as those other consoles (while doing 4k etc), aren't portable. It's not apples->apples as much as apples->dragon fruit basically.

No, as I said before this is entirely irrelevant. Like most people I don’t sit there thinking ‘I don’t mind that the Switch can’t do 4K because I can’t play PS5 on the bus’, I sit there thinking ‘I wish the Switch could do 4K’. 

 

 

 

 

[ZOK]

3 hours ago, Kevvy Metal said:

Does Hades or countless similar games run badly? No, they don’t. 

Hades runs fine, but on a decent telly it could look much better than it does.

[rgraves]

2 minutes ago, ZOK said:

No, as I said before this is entirely irrelevant. Like most people I don’t sit there thinking ‘I don’t mind that the Switch can’t do 4K because I can’t play PS5 on the bus’, I sit there thinking ‘I wish the Switch could do 4K’. 

 

Let me get this straight - you think more people want a 4k Switch, than a portable Switch? You think a 4K Switch that wasn't portable would be more successful than the current Switch is as more people would want it? You don't think the hybrid portable piece of the Switch is why people are buying it and why it's successful despite it's relative lack of power?

[ZOK]

Let’s forget it @rgraves, I don’t think you are rational.

[rgraves]

I'm just trying to get the logic - you seem to think Switch should be PS5/XSX, when surely that would just kill it. The portability, and compromises that have to be made for that, are the key pieces of the puzzle. Without that, it would be dead in the water.

 

I think this:

 

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Like most people I don’t sit there thinking ‘I don’t mind that the Switch can’t do 4K because I can’t play PS5 on the bus’,

 

Is fundamentally wrong.

[Strafe]

I think he’s saying he wants the machine to have more power, even if it’s only portable. So your hyrule warriors etc wouldn’t choke.

[rgraves]

1 minute ago, Strafe said:

I think he’s saying he wants the machine to have more power, even if it’s only portable. So your hyrule warriors etc wouldn’t choke.

 

But they still would, as the devs would just use that extra power for more shinies...see not every PS5/XSX game running totally smoothly.

 

I don't think anyone is arguing a more powerful Switch wouldn't be a belter - it just feels like it's bonkers to expect them to do that right now when the current one is selling like hot cakes. Following his own (odd) logic, surely it's better for them to wait so it's even *more* powerful when it comes. In fact, delay until 2054 - that way it will be way more powerful and none of the current games will have any issues at all. I mean, anything released now won't be able to play any of the games also released now alongside it properly by then anyway. Not that we'll know unless we've played them ourselves anyway.

[Stanley]

16 minutes ago, ZOK said:

No, as I said before this is entirely irrelevant. Like most people I don’t sit there thinking ‘I don’t mind that the Switch can’t do 4K because I can’t play PS5 on the bus’, I sit there thinking ‘I wish the Switch could do 4K’. 

 

 

 

 

I doubt ‘most’ Switch owners really give a fuck about 4K. 
 

What you’re asking for isn’t even possible all things considered (price, form factor, etc)

[Strafe]

3 minutes ago, rgraves said:

 

But they still would, as the devs would just use that extra power for more shinies...see not every PS5/XSX game running totally smoothly.

 

I don't think anyone is arguing a more powerful Switch wouldn't be a belter - it just feels like it's bonkers to expect them to do that right now when the current one is selling like hot cakes. Following his own (odd) logic, surely it's better for them to wait so it's even *more* powerful when it comes. In fact, delay until 2054 - that way it will be way more powerful and none of the current games will have any issues at all. I mean, anything released now won't be able to play any of the games also released now alongside it properly by then anyway. Not that we'll know unless we've played them ourselves anyway.

I don’t think it would have been too bonkers for switch to release a more powerful model - sales are slowing, the market recognises that and it remains to be seen how many existing users are going to upgrade to the OLED model.

 

But now they’ve released the OLED model that sort of stops them releasing or even announcing a more powerful machine for quite some time. No one is going to be too happy with their OLED if a proper switch pro is released next year.

 

But yeah, hypothesising about a more powerful switch being needed to run games better when you insist that you can only ever have an indication of how a game runs by playing it yourself is great.

[ZOK]

7 minutes ago, Stanley said:

I doubt ‘most’ Switch owners really give a fuck about 4K. 
 

What you’re asking for isn’t even possible all things considered (price, form factor, etc)

That’s moot though isn’t it? If the threads here are anything to go by most Switch owners don’t give a fuck about an OLED screen and a new stand either. It will no doubt still sell like hot cakes. And it was also observable from the disappointed reaction to the ‘OLED not Pro’ announcement that more people here want 4K rather than an OLED screen, although that probably reflects more on the age profile here than anything else.

 

I have no doubt that it’s entirely technically achievable at a price (that I would pay) - I think it’s being iterated for commercial reasons rather than technical ones.

[JPL]

The main thing Nintendo need to do is launch a screenless Switch, as I’ve got zero interest or need for portable gaming, so I’ve paid for a screen that never gets used.

 

And before anyone says that goes against the ethos of it, they already did it the other way with the handheld only Switch Lite.

 

I’m also in the rational camp and agree with @ZOK

[Strafe]

I wish the OLED screen did HDR. Imagine those BOTW sunsets

[Stanley]

3 minutes ago, ZOK said:

That’s moot though isn’t it? If the threads here are anything to go by most Switch owners don’t give a fuck about an OLED screen and a new stand either. It will no doubt still sell like hot cakes. And it was also observable from the disappointed reaction to the ‘OLED not Pro’ announcement that more people here want 4K rather than an OLED screen, although that probably reflects more on the age profile here than anything else.

 

I have no doubt that it’s entirely technically achievable at a price (that I would pay) - I think it’s being iterated for commercial reasons rather than technical ones.

This is a forum full of hardcore gamers (excuse the expression) of course they want 4K, 8K, 120FPS, VRR, you name it. 
 

Nintendo makes consoles for children and families, there’s no way they are going to release a console with PS5 power in a handheld form. There’s literally nothing on the market that can currently do that, never mind at a price which fits Nintendo’s profile. 

[Sumire]

13 minutes ago, Stanley said:

This is a forum full of hardcore gamers (excuse the expression) of course they want 4K, 8K, 120FPS, VRR, you name it. 
 

Nintendo makes consoles for children and families, there’s no way they are going to release a console with PS5 power in a handheld form. There’s literally nothing on the market that can currently do that, never mind at a price which fits Nintendo’s profile. 

 

I am not sure that is right judging by some of the games on the e shop. They are a lot more open minded when it comes to sexual content compared to the PS for example, but otherwise I get what you are saying.

[Kevvy Metal]

There are reports that publishers and developers literally now have “Switch 2” dev kits in their possession and the likes of Digital Foundry have already stated that the new machine is coming sooner rather than later. 
 

Can we not just let this be a Switch with a new, bigger OLED screen for those who want it - like me - and if you don’t, be happy in the knowledge that yes, Nintendo will release more powerful hardware soon? 

[McCoy]

In fairness, I do think most of us were expecting the next release of a Switch console to have a bit more oomph under the hood. 

 

Looking at Xbox One, we had the initial release in 2013, the S in 2016 which had a very small performance boost and the X in 2017. All of them played the same games but hardcore gamers could go with the X for the best experience. 

 

With the Switch releasing in 2017 then if it was possible to do a revision which was able to eliminate the slowdown on some titles and have 4K abilities then I think that would have been an important update.

 

The OLED version is fine, I may pick one up at some point and sell the original but it is hard to get mega excited about it. 

[Stanley]

3 minutes ago, McCoy said:

Looking at Xbox One, we had the initial release in 2013, the S in 2016 which had a very small performance boost and the X in 2017. All of them played the same games but hardcore gamers could go with the X for the best experience. 

They were up against PlayStation 4 and pretty much had to release more powerful hardware to remain competitive. Nintendo on the other hand probably see no need as they already have the best selling hardware and are in a slightly different market. 
 

I mean there are other factors here too - no doubt the next gen Switch is well into development along with the games, but even if the hardware was ready this year it’s doubtful the games would be. 

[JoeK]

47 minutes ago, Stanley said:

I doubt ‘most’ Switch owners really give a fuck about 4K. 
 

What you’re asking for isn’t even possible all things considered (price, form factor, etc)

I’m not a Switch owner l, but I’d snap one up in a flash if one ran something like Zelda at 4k and at 60fps on my telly. I have absolutely no interest in handheld gaming at all  

 

I’ve run BotW at 4k via emulator, but I found that a deeply unconvincing way of going about it so hold out for Nintendo to get off their arse and do it.

That’s all I want. I don’t need raytracing or extra fluff like that…the graphics and overall design is fab. I just don’t like to run anything on something less that what I output it on! 

[LaveDisco]

So because @ZOKcan't get a 4K switch pro he's buying a 720p steam deck. 

[ZOK]

I doubt I’m going to buy it because as I said in the post you presumably read, I have no real interest in it.

 

But currently I have a pre-order for a 512gb one, as it seems like a better Switch.

[shirubagan]

Cool. Can we move on now?

[Stanley]

4 minutes ago, ZOK said:

I doubt I’m going to buy it because as I said in the post you presumably read, I have no real interest in it.

 

But currently I have a pre-order for a 512gb one, as it seems like a better Switch.

Like a better Switch, just without the games.

[Radish]

PC has the most games though.