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Yes, we are doing the same. I enjoyed them all on first watch but seeing all the strands coming together and making connections of what seemed at the time to be bit part characters has been excellent.

 

 

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It's been a couple of weeks, but I watched my next Marvel film this evening, Guardians of the Galaxy. I thought it was great - probably my favourite that I've seen so far. Again, surprisingly funny. Bradley Cooper as Rocket was great, as was Dave Bautista's character. Definitely recommend, and distinct enough from the other films to stand up by itself. What are the comics like for GotG? I wouldn't mind giving them a go.

 

I then put The Winter Soldier on for about twenty minutes, which I also enjoyed. Reminded me of MGS2, even the music. I'll watch the rest tomorrow.

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8 hours ago, Jamie John said:

It's been a couple of weeks, but I watched my next Marvel film this evening, Guardians of the Galaxy. I thought it was great - probably my favourite that I've seen so far. Again, surprisingly funny. Bradley Cooper as Rocket was great, as was Dave Bautista's character. Definitely recommend, and distinct enough from the other films to stand up by itself. What are the comics like for GotG? I wouldn't mind giving them a go.

 

I then put The Winter Soldier on for about twenty minutes, which I also enjoyed. Reminded me of MGS2, even the music. I'll watch the rest tomorrow.

The comics that were published before the movie were great, especially the ones Abnett and Lanning wrote, the ones that came out after the movie were not so good.

 

You may prefer the newer ones though as the characters are now written in the same way they are portrayed in the movies, Drax and Gamora, are very different for example in the earlier comics.

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9 hours ago, Jamie John said:

What are the comics like for GotG? I wouldn't mind giving them a go.

 

If you want something comedy focused with great art that's a lot more cartoony than you normally see in superhero comics, there's the Rocket Raccoon series written and drawn by Skottie Young, and later the Rocket and Groot series. (Young didn't illustrate the latter but Filipe Andrade does a fine imitation of his style.)

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16 minutes ago, Nick R said:

 

If you want something comedy focused with great art that's a lot more cartoony than you normally see in superhero comics, there's the Rocket Raccoon series written and drawn by Skottie Young, and later the Rocket and Groot series. (Young didn't illustrate the latter but Filipe Andrade does a fine imitation of his style.)

I would highly recommend those comics too, I am a huge fan of Skottie Young’s art.

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Just finished The Winter Soldier. I enjoyed the action sequences and the chemistry between Johansson and Evans (although what's happened to Hawkeye? He's entirely unmentioned). The overall plot, however, was complete cobblers. 

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The AI version of Toby Jones' felt undercooked to the point of being a deleted scene, and I rolled my eyes a lot when it turned out Fury wasn't actually wasn't dead, though I expect I should have seen that coming. Also, maybe I missed something, but how was it that Sam, an ex-soldier, was actually a superhero himself with his falcon suit? Is this from something outside of the Marvel films that I'm not aware of, or are you just supposed to accept that he can pilot this unbelievable winged jet pack thing?

 

Anyway, now that's done with its onto the next Avengers and then Ant-Man.

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17 minutes ago, Nick R said:

 

Ah yes: the eternal question.

 

I noticed that Black Widow had an arrow necklace on, which I inferred Hawkeye gave her as they seemed to have something going on in the first Avengers film. Did the actor just not want the role anymore or something?

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Hawkeye does return, with a wife and kids in tow no less, though I don't think it's ever suggested that his relationship with Black Widow was anything other than very close friends.

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15 hours ago, Jamie John said:
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Also, maybe I missed something, but how was it that Sam, an ex-soldier, was actually a superhero himself with his falcon suit? Is this from something outside of the Marvel films that I'm not aware of, or are you just supposed to accept that he can pilot this unbelievable winged jet pack thing?

 

 

It's mentioned in the film. It's a prototype air force wingsuit, and he was its pilot. That's basically all you need to know.

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The whole MCU has been an interesting - and at times, amazing - experience, but in terms of quality I find them to be really hit-and-miss, having found probably half of them pretty boring.

 

Despite that, I agree that the real triumph, as posted earlier in the thread, is in the casting. I'm not invested in Marvel at all and have no interest in the characters outside of the films, yet I really liked this group of heroes based on finding a cast that seem to have great on-screen chemistry, both within the wider group and those smaller character moments (Cap and Black Widow's friendship or Iron Man's paternal instincts with Spidey). For me, it's why I much preferred the ensemble films versus the individual pieces (and why, for similar reasons, I think Guardians of the Galaxy is the best non-mainline film - though I absolutely hated Volume 2.)

 

I think there is certainly a challenge for the MCU moving forward, not only in how to structure it (will a similar approach ever work again?) but also taking the existing available stars - the remnants of which don't really scream 'team' to me - and shaping them into something believable.

 

If nothing else, the Infinity Saga certainly gave us some sustained event cinema, the likes of which had never been seen before, so hurrah for that.

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I watched Age of Ultron last night and, like the first Avengers film, thought it was great fun, even if the whole meteorite thing required me to suspend my disbelief more than in any of the other films. You can definitely see how they've stepped up the CGI and choreography, too. Some of the action sequences were amazing. I thought Spader was great as the big baddie, although Downey Jr continues to be the weakest link in the cast.

 

And why were they all suddenly together again at the start of the film? There was nothing to show why they'd all been reunited, unless I missed something.

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GOTG 2 last night - I might be alone in thinking this is better than the first one. It’s a much better ensemble piece, everybody gets more to do (especially Drax) and it’s far funnier. The first half hour in particular doesn’t let up. It gets a bit silly with all the Ego stuff in the second half but it’s probably no dafter than the ending of the first one. Then the Rocket/Yondu stuff is actually quite touching. I’ve got no idea why this movie has such a bad reputation. 

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7 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

GOTG 2 last night - I might be alone in thinking this is better than the first one. It’s a much better ensemble piece, everybody gets more to do (especially Drax) and it’s far funnier. The first half hour in particular doesn’t let up. It gets a bit silly with all the Ego stuff in the second half but it’s probably no dafter than the ending of the first one. Then the Rocket/Yondu stuff is actually quite touching. I’ve got no idea why this movie has such a bad reputation. 

I didn't think it had a bad reputation. I didn't think it was as good as the first, but I still loved it. The Yondu/Rocket/Groot escape sequence is glorious.

 

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I was really disappointed with GOTG2 on first viewing but its since grown on me.  The core message of "family" while really over egged does have resonance with the movies that came after it so I've come to appreciate it more.  

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1 hour ago, Garwoofoo said:

GOTG 2 last night - I might be alone in thinking this is better than the first one. It’s a much better ensemble piece, everybody gets more to do (especially Drax) and it’s far funnier. The first half hour in particular doesn’t let up. It gets a bit silly with all the Ego stuff in the second half but it’s probably no dafter than the ending of the first one. Then the Rocket/Yondu stuff is actually quite touching. I’ve got no idea why this movie has such a bad reputation. 

 

In my experience, a lot of people who dislike it say that even with all the wholesome family bits, overall it's more mean-spirited and nasty than the first one, particularly with the Mantis-Drax scenes, and Yondu's arrow murder spree.

e.g. https://boxd.it/h5fJj

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Fair point about Yondu's murder spree (although in character, for someone who isn't part of the core Guardians "family"). But I didn't think the Mantis-Drax stuff came across as mean-spirited at all, unless you took the dialogue at absolute face value - it's clear from the start that these two get on but neither of them have the slightest ability to communicate anything in any kind of normal way. I thought it was sweet, and funny.

 

Glad to see folk here like the movie, though, for some reason I thought it was widely disliked.

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Plus, GotG2 has Tazerface. 

 

The first film is probably my favourite Marvel movie, but the sequel does suffer a bit by splitting the Guardians up. It does have some proper, belly laugh moments though. 

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I really liked Guardians 2, it's definitely a funnier movie than the first one and some of it is absolutely stunning to look at. My only two issues are that Rocket basically resets and goes through the same character arc he did in the first, and that the plot doesn't really properly kick in until about two thirds of the way through the movie. But the good definitely outweighs the bad and I never got the sniffiness towards it. I too preferred it to the first one on first watch. 

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On 09/03/2021 at 10:55, Ste Pickford said:

You really don't need to get into Marvel.


The truth is they're not especially good films, they're just competently made high budget action films with too much CGI. The magic (if there is any) comes from bringing beloved characters to the big screen for people who've been invested in those characters for years.

 

For me, that moment came in the mid-nineties when Capcom, at the very top of their game, started making Street Fighter clones with Marvel IP. Then they went on to make four 'vs.' games featuring at times extremely obscure characters. I had to go into our local comics specialist to ask the guy who Shuma-Gorath was, as an example, and even he was stumped.

I'm still utterly gobsmacked at those adaptations when I play the games today. I can't think of a more faithful ferrying of IP across media. They absolutely nailed everything 100%. Looking at screenshots in magazines had the same effect as looking at comic book pages - they just fucking popped right out of the page. Seeing them in motion was beyond glorious, with audio to match (those voices!).

Then the first X-men film happened...

:/

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On 25/04/2021 at 10:35, Garwoofoo said:

GOTG 2 last night - I might be alone in thinking this is better than the first one. It’s a much better ensemble piece, everybody gets more to do (especially Drax) and it’s far funnier. The first half hour in particular doesn’t let up. It gets a bit silly with all the Ego stuff in the second half but it’s probably no dafter than the ending of the first one. Then the Rocket/Yondu stuff is actually quite touching. I’ve got no idea why this movie has such a bad reputation. 

I really disliked it, especially because it went too far into trying to be funny and it was tiring (I think a number of posts in here at the time said something similar?) I also thought the story really dragged and Yondu's 'moment' lacked any impact for me because it was a re-tread of the first film but with the opposite outcome.

 

Now my experience was no doubt impacted by watching it on a plane, but I've not had any desire to go back and watch it again.

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On 25/04/2021 at 16:40, mdn2 said:

Plus, GotG2 has Tazerface. 

 

The first film is probably my favourite Marvel movie, but the sequel does suffer a bit by splitting the Guardians up. It does have some proper, belly laugh moments though. 

That jump scene gets me every time.

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