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Marvel's Loki - 9 June


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On 22/06/2021 at 02:20, Broker said:

I think it’s a pretty normal length, though I only listen to a few. I think it’s definitely a but rambling, we’re talking about dividing it into segments to try to keep us more on topic.

 

Thanks so much for listening and for the feedback guys, it’s really helpful :) 

Finished it earlier.  Would and will definitely listen to another one.  I'm utterly amazed by your knowledge of each film/comic/series, fair play, it was a good listen.

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Yeah, wasn't great.

 

I'm already sick of scenes that are really blatantly made on that Unreal Engine virtual set thing. They're all set up exactly the same and you can pretty much see the join between the floor and the screen.

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It did raise some questions for me about what makes a loki a loki:

 

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I never saw the first couple of thor movies, so didnt know loki was adopted (or forgot if it was mentioned elsewhere), so had assumed that this variant was basically if the same parents had had a different kid. Of course, if this variant was born to someone else entirely and was then adopted by the asgardian royal family, it kind of suggests that it's the being bought up by them that creates a loki for whatever reason.

 

 

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What the hell was going on at the end. 

 

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That lovely little set and it just served no purpose. They ran around in a circle for some reason and had a fight for some reason whilst everything was getting destroyed.

 

Must have had a big scene cut as that just didn't mesh.

 

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Yeah that end scene was a confusing mess.

 

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Like a live action videogame. It looked impressive, but I'm not sure for what purpose.

 

And the actual story elements were pretty weak, as despite a few nice little character moments there was literally no advancement of the plot, which has previously set up some mysteries that we the audience would quite like them to explore now that we're invested. I think there was only a single plot forwarding line in the entire episode: the one about all the TVA authority being made up of variants that don't know they're variants.

 

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2 hours ago, PK said:

Yeah, wasn't great.

 

I'm already sick of scenes that are really blatantly made on that Unreal Engine virtual set thing. They're all set up exactly the same and you can pretty much see the join between the floor and the screen.

 

To be fair, that Unreal virtual set is an incredible tool when used well, but all it does is allow more options. Mandalorian has some brilliant cinematography and used it very effectively, but that all has to start with good direction and eye for detail rather than just slapping the actors in it and mucking about.

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Yea, that was a bit flat, really. A nice opportunity to find out more about our antagonist, which didn’t really happen, and a scene inviting Tom Hiddleston to really tear chunks out of the scenery that he kinda failed to get to grips with. 
 

Didnae get me wrong, I’m enjoying his slightly more nuanced approach with the character in this show - and the scene in the first episode where he

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watches his future history unfold

was delivered with real empathy - but Loki is to be best enjoyed with charisma and theatricality, and that’s not really what we’re getting here. Which would be fine, except that’s exactly how the scenes are being written for him. 

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8 minutes ago, Harsin said:
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Wait Loki can throw an entire building with telekinesis but space security guards give him a hard time?

 

 

Yeah that confused the fuck out of me.

 

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We've never seen Loki use that kind of magic before as far as I know.

 

Here's the real reason: they probably rendered the building falling down and being raised back up and needed to work out what character does that to it and thought ah fuck it Loki does, yolo.

 

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6 minutes ago, Thor said:

Oh come on guys ...

 

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None of that episode actually "happened", it's all in Loki's head because Sylvie is in his head, and she's making him believe he's strong enough to resist her because that strokes his ego. She even spells out that she creates an elaborate setting for the stronger minded, which completely passed by Loki due to his arrogance.  And appears to have passed by some of you lot as well. ;) 

But we learned nothing from that episode whatsoever. It did not further the plot at all. 

 

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She said that she creates a scenario from their memories though?

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Delargey said:

 

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She said that she creates a scenario from their memories though?

 

Oooh, that is a good point, and a little detail that passed me by ;) I guess we'll see in the next episode what's what. 

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Never mind the episode, this show is shite. I have almost zero hope it can salvage itself now. It feels like the makers of the show have never seen any of the MCU movies that Loki has been in, but read a brief plot summary from Wikipedia.

 

And assuming that this show strikes out by the end, that is all three of the Disney+ shows that have turned out crap. Something is really wrong in the MCU head office now and I have no clue as to why.

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1 hour ago, Thor said:

Oh come on guys ...

 

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None of that episode actually "happened", it's all in Loki's head because Sylvie is in his head, and she's making him believe he's strong enough to resist her because that strokes his ego. She even spells out that she creates an elaborate setting for the stronger minded, which completely passed by Loki due to his arrogance.  And appears to have passed by some of you lot as well. ;) 

But we learned nothing from that episode whatsoever. It did not further the plot at all. 


It absolutely does not matter if the plot progresses forwards or not, the characters and their relationship does, which is usually more valuable. 

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1 minute ago, Kevvy Metal said:


It absolutely does not matter if the plot progresses forwards or not, the characters and their relationship does, which is usually more valuable. 

Which would be fine if there was some actual character development. There was little to none. 

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10 minutes ago, Thor said:

Which would be fine if there was some actual character development. There was little to none. 


We knew literally nothing about a certain character in the prior episode. This one was all about them and their growing relationship with Loki. 

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In what way is that a filler episode? 

 

What did people expect? For him to follow her through thr door and her reveal everything straight away? It was here to established a dynamic between the two characters and we learnt more about her. 

 

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She definitely the Enchantress and not an actual Loki variant though isn't she. She goes by Sylvie, which is a dead give away, plus they kept using the word "enchanted" and she seemed to be winging it when talking about Frigga.

 

I liked that it was just them two and not constantly skipping back to the TVA though. We know Mobius is in for a kicking, we don't need to see that straight away cause spending time with just these two is a good thing.

 

It was also probably the most CGI heavy and action packed episode too. I'm surprised that after spending two episodes with 80% of it spent in an office building people would complain about a bit more action and drive. 

 

Having said that I do agree it was the weakest so far but wasnt shit at all for me.

 

I do like @Thortheory that 

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It's in his head. I know she said she pulls memories from people's head to get what she wants, but A. Should could be lying and B. She may also be able to use her own memories of this place and filling in the blanks. There's arguments for and against this theory that both work I think.

 

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38 minutes ago, deKay said:

There was one massive bit of plot exposition nobody has mentioned:

 

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The TVA agents are variants and they don't know it

 

 

Exactly one reason why it wasn't a pointless episode. My co host on our podcast guessed as much on our episode 2 one. He said

 

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that Mobius is isn't the only Mobius, which this does point towards now.

 

It also explains why Renslayer was so coy about the "other analysts"

 

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1 hour ago, SpagMasterSwift said:

Yeah I liked that. 

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It’s a comment on people wasting their lives in bland office jobs when they should be riding jet skis.

 

 

And Nintendo is to blame for 20 years without a new Wave Race.

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I agree with the theory by the way:

 

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They spent way too long dwelling on the enchantment thing, explaining exactly how and why it would be used to construct exactly this kind of scenario for Loki, and obviously we saw her try and supposedly fail to enchant him.

 

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