I can’t do 30fps any more.

[Calashnikov]

2 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

 

I thought Days Gone was supposed to be pretty fantastic actually?

Isn’t it another fucking post apocalyptic Triple-AAA open world shanner snooze fest heap of generic shite?

[gooner4life]

1 minute ago, Calashnikov said:

Isn’t it another fucking post apocalyptic Triple-AAA open world shanner snooze fest heap of generic shite?

 

I've never played it, but it gets high praise on here, era and gaf

[ImmaculateClump]

38 minutes ago, TehStu said:

Guys, everyone knew PCs did everything faster, and we knew it cost more. This isn't some revelation, just appreciation of the tech being cheap enough to make 60 FPS commonplace. 

 

I thought 50/60fps was the standard until after the 16 bit era?

Yes, you've always been able to brute force performance with better hardware, but Nintendo mostly tried to target 60fps with their games on weaker consoles each gen.

It was a conscious decision made by the developers of each game. Once the arms race for the best looking, prettiest 3d games had been declared, performance was chucked out the window. They decided that 30fps was enough.

[Calashnikov]

It looks shite, but then I’m not a big open world fan generally. I thought it garnered a reputation for being quite mediocre within that genre in any case.

[TehStu]

2 minutes ago, ImmaculateClump said:

Once the arms race for the best looking, prettiest 3d games had been declared, performance was chucked out the window. They decided that 30fps was enough.

Sure. Now there's spare oopmh to do that in 60 FPS. Well, unless you opt for RT or something. 

[gooner4life]

2 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

It looks shite, but then I’m not a big open world fan generally. I thought it garnered a reputation for being quite mediocre within that genre in any case.

 

Well if you don't like the type of game then sure it's going to be shit 

[Wiper]

5 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

It looks shite, but then I’m not a big open world fan generally. I thought it garnered a reputation for being quite mediocre in that field in any case.

 

It has a good reputation for its dynamic approach to zombie horde management; a heady blend of combat, stealth and flight.

 

Unfortunately the characters are absolutely unbearable, particularly Captain Stream of Consciousness the protagonist, and the way they've made your bike guzzle fuel like my dad chugging beers at a wake as a way to enforce tension just renders the biking tedious, plus I find zombie narratives actively uninteresting, so after a little over 10 hours I sacked the whole thing off. If you can get over those aspects, though, it's well regarded (albeit not particularly by the specialist press).

[Calashnikov]

4 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

 

Well if you don't like the type of game then sure it's going to be shit 

 

Just couldn’t quite believe mad @Thorbeing affronted that a critically lauded modern classic such as Persona 5 should be included alongside fare such as Days Gone, as if that were some kind of gold standard, when the reality is Days Gone is far less enticing a prospect than P5 for many players, myself included. This all demonstrates that the inclusion of both in the PS+ collection is for the sake of diversity surely.

[CovisGod]

Honestly I wouldn’t know FPS if it bit me on the dick, I can happily play something on the PS5 / Series X then fire up a game from yesteryear and I can honestly say it’s one thing that doesn’t bother me at all

[Qazimod]

13 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

 

Isn’t Days Gone supposed to be utter shite whereas Persona 5 is supposed to be a modern classic?

 

In the Overall Games of the [2010s] poll, P5 came 36th, and DG didn't make the top 100.

 

Don't blame me, blame forum consensus.  

[gooner4life]

Just now, Calashnikov said:

 

Just could quite believe mad @Thorbeing affronted that a critically lauded modern classic such as Persona 5 should be included alongside fare such as Days Gone, as if that were some kind of gold standard, when the reality is Days Gone is far less enticing a prospect than P5 for many players, myself included. This all demonstrates that the inclusion of both in the PS+ collection is for the sake of diversity surely.

 

Oh totally agree, it would never have been possible to please everybody dude.

[Calashnikov]

Even back in the day I knew the difference between slick liquid golden butter like F-Zero X compared to Perfect Dark, but I didn’t have the lingo down to articulate what the difference was.

[Mike S]

9 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

Well if you don't like the type of game then sure it's going to be shit 

 

I don't like open world games as a rule, nor do I go out of my way to seek out post apocalyptic type anything, have never seen Sons of Anarchy, but Days Gone was brilliant and probably my second favourite Sony exclusive on the PS4 (after Bloodborne obvs). And that was at 30fps - if it weren't such a big game I'd probably have another go through at 60fps.

 

I have precisely zero interest in Persona 5 though.

[Calashnikov]

Oh, is it styled after Sons of Anarchy as well?  Jesus wept, the stench of utter bollocks grows stronger.

[Floshenbarnical]

3 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

Even back in the day I knew the difference between slick liquid golden butter like F-Zero X compared to Perfect Dark, but I didn’t have the lingo down to articulate what the difference was.

Your prose always cracks me up mate, I love it. I haven’t even played or seen F-Zero X and it’s my favorite game now

[Mike S]

1 minute ago, Calashnikov said:

Oh, is it styled after Sons of Anarchy as well?  Jesus wept, the stench of utter bollocks grows stronger.

 

Well it has biker gangs.

 

I mean, on the flip side, I look at Persona 5 and it looks exactly like a million other JRPG's I also have zero interest in. If you wanna play the judgement game...

 

[Wiper]

7 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

Even back in the day I knew the difference between slick liquid golden butter like F-Zero X compared to Perfect Dark, but I didn’t have the lingo down to articulate what the difference was.

 

Similarly, going back even further the same thing's been going on since at least the late 80s, courtesy of the ST and Amiga; routinely the Amiga pushed 50fps while the ST struggled to maintain 30fps. See e.g. Turrican II, with its smooth movement on Amiga vs the more restricted framerate of the ST:

 

 

Just a fun thing people would mock your ST for, there; you know, if they weren't slagging off its sound chip or the smaller range of colours.

 

(The Chaos Engine was one of the more noticeable games with its high demands and multiscrolling playfield, but a quick search didn't bring up a comparison video to use)

[Calashnikov]

6 minutes ago, Floshenbarnical said:

Your prose always cracks me up mate, I love it. I haven’t even played or seen F-Zero X and it’s my favorite game now

Man, that game glides in motion. I just wanted to bring it up in this thread since some posts were hinting that the difference between 30 & 60fps was a modern concern. When you play F-Zero X you understand that it must have always made a difference. But like I say, I was just never able to articulate what the difference was.

My cousins and their in-laws all grew up playing N64 together, and often at family do’s someone will hook up the N64 to revisit some of our old favourites. Everyone gasping to play Goldeneye but I’m sad to say I just can’t face it now. I sit out everything until F-Zero X gets rammed in the slot

[Calashnikov]

11 minutes ago, Mike S said:

 

Well it has biker gangs.

 

I mean, on the flip side, I look at Persona 5 and it looks exactly like a million other JRPG's I also have zero interest in. If you wanna play the judgement game...

 

Persona 5 looks incredible and like no other game I can think of. Jet Set Radio maybe comes close, one of the most stylistically legendary games ever made. I’ve not played it, so it may play quite generically in terms of systems, but certainly the main reason I want to play it is because it looks like fucking Cowboy Bebop or something.

 

 

[Calashnikov]

23 minutes ago, CovisGod said:

Honestly I wouldn’t know FPS if it bit me on the dick, I can happily play something on the PS5 / Series X then fire up a game from yesteryear and I can honestly say it’s one thing that doesn’t bother me at all

You’re probably firing up F-Zero X after playing Control Ultimate Edition at RT/30. You lucky bastard.

[layten]

10 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

Persona 5 looks incredible and like no other game I can think of. Jet Set Radio maybe comes close, one of the most stylistically legendary games ever made. I’ve not played it, so it may play quite generically in terms of systems, but certainly the main reason I want to play it is because it looks like fucking Cowboy Bebop or something.

 

 

It having a solid fucking gold banger of a soundtrack also helps.

[Cyhwuhx]

31 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

 

Just couldn’t quite believe mad @Thorbeing affronted that a critically lauded modern classic such as Persona 5 should be included alongside fare such as Days Gone, as if that were some kind of gold standard, when the reality is Days Gone is far less enticing a prospect than P5 for many players, myself included. This all demonstrates that the inclusion of both in the PS+ collection is for the sake of diversity surely.

Days Gone had bad reviews and everybody was 100% certain it would bomb. 
 

Then people bought it, kept playing it, got others to buy it and... well, it’s a successful game these days. Most of the ‘informed gamers’ seem determined to call it disastrous though. 
 

Haven’t played it myself. I was genuinely surprised to see it take off amongst friends with some of them rating it highly and pretty stoked with the idea of getting to play it in 60fps on PS5. 
 

It has merit. 

[bear]

Days Gone is the one with "ride me as much as you ride your bike" wedding vow. 

 

 

Based on that alone I wouldn't trust anyone who says good things about it. 

[BitterToad]

I finished Days Gone today after 60 odd hours play and then happened upon this thread and... well... I honestly think part of the reason I enjoyed the game so much was because it was in 60FPS. Quite a big part, in fact. 

 

Don't get me wrong,  @Wiper nails the first few hours of the game in his description. But as I played more I found myself slowly falling for an open world game that actually gets better the more you play it. When has that ever happened, really? Open worlds for me tend to be an interesting 10 hours that introduce all of the systems and then 50 hours of you rinsing and repeating these same systems without anything really changing.

 

But Days Gone doesn't do this! It starts really badly because the characters are thin and the combat feels like it doesn't have many options and the zombies are either too weak in small numbers or too strong in large ones. But then over a frankly gob-smacking 60 fucking hours it slowly introduces new weapons and toys to deal with more zombies and you start to find it weirdly funny/endearing that Deacon will shout judgement about people being murderers before straight up savaging said monsters with nailed planks of wood. And the characters have actual development! Some of them, anyway! And you find yourself actually warming to the one they literally called Boozer Boozeman. Boozer is a good character. The Boozeman. I'd have never said it 10 hours in but Boozer Boozman ends up being quite a good character. Hell it doesn't really properly introduce hordes, one of the more unique and interesting features of the game, until you're about 5 hours from the end!

 

Why did I stick with it past those first 10 hours? Honestly? Because it was a really good looking game that ran perfectly on my PS5. It looks amazing and the weather effects are astounding and it was just this wonderful smooth gameplay experience that I could enjoy without thinking about too much. It was, weirdly considering it's a game about a probably viral apocalypse, a really nice thing to just sink into and forget about how shit the world is at the moment. I spent 60 hours on a game with a character that's (sort of not really) called Boozer Boozeman because it felt quite nice to drive the bike around in the mud in 60FPS. And I ended up really liking it! 

 

I don't know what that tells us. Are bad games good at 60FPS? Does that mean good games at 30FPS are now rubbish? Did nobody think to push back on calling him Boozeman!? 

 

It's not for me to say. But if you take it slow and enjoy it there's a lot to love in shiny smooth if generic and silly 60FPS Days Gone. 

 

[kensei]

The only time I've noticed the difference is going to a remastered version of Dark Souls and it feeling off. 

 

Consistency of frame rate and frame pacing bothers me. But even then I lived through the N64 mostly everything is great. 

 

By mid to end gen there'll be a huge amount of 30FPS games again. 

 

 

[Kevvy Metal]

1 hour ago, Calashnikov said:

 

Isn’t Days Gone supposed to be utter shite whereas Persona 5 is supposed to be a modern classic? I know which of the two I’ve added to my library. The only reason I haven’t started P5 yet is because I’m toying with spending actual cash on the Royal edition, even though I’ve got the vanilla version sat right there, ready to play for free. Whereas with Days Gone, I’d rather watch my dad fall down the stairs, in whatever framerate is available.

Both are great and both are about as apples & oranges as you could get. 
 

*Thread title change request*

 

- THUNDERDOME : Persona 5 vs. Day’s Gone. Two enter, only one will survive! -

[ImmaculateClump]

55 minutes ago, TehStu said:

Sure. Now there's spare oopmh to do that in 60 FPS. Well, unless you opt for RT or something. 

 

Yeah, it's great that on console we're now being given the option to choose performance over pretty if that's our preference, instead of the devs making that decision for us. In this way console gaming is becoming more like pc gaming and it's a great thing.

[Darwock]

Of course 60fps is better, but the ‘problem’ is overblown and saying you will never play 30fps again is a bit OTT.

 

Just one example that I am currently enjoying - Bloodborne. Is that an unplayable game?

[nakamura]

Part of the reason I struggled moving into he HD era was the frame rates. So many games I played on PS2 were 60fps. 

 

Going from GT4 to PGR3 was horrible on the eyes. It wasn't worth the supposed resolution increase. It looked like a flick book in comparison and racers are vital to be 60. 

 

I don't hate 30 for all games of course. But for some reason it feels so hard on HD games. Maybe it's the TV size. Of the level of detail makes or appeared more jerky, even with motion blur. I mean, games like Ridge Racer 4, as stunning as it is, only has limited detail. 

 

[deerokus]

2 hours ago, Thor said:

And that's Persona 5 uninstalled. The actual game was intriguing, but the lack of frequent save points is a huge deal breaker. If I want to stop playing, I should able to do so without having to fear replaying entire sections again. 

And this is why quick resume is a killer feature. 

 

 

Days Gone is decent, neither as bad as the initial reviews made out nor as good as the revisionist take suggests. It's very much in the same vein as lots of other Sony games - a house style which I find a little bland.

 

Persona 5 is one of the best games on the system. Back on topic, the new sequel/action rpg spin off, Persona 5 Strikers, runs at 60fps on base ps4.