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Wow, I’m very surprised Hades didn’t win. I’ve never read a word against it that didn’t have Marlew’s avatar alongside.

 

Can’t believe my personal choices for 1 & 2, Granblue Fantasy VS and Guilty Gear XX Accent Core plus R actually won! GGACR didn’t even come out last year, what a great testament to Arc System Works as a fighting game developer at the absolute zenith of their powers. 
 

Honestly though, I’m equally surprised by TLoU2’s high placement as well, I really got the vibe that it wasn’t all that well received. AC was always going to be a behemoth though, even if people fell off it down the line, it was just too perfectly timed!

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Here's the thing about Noita: only one platformer has managed to make procedural generation satisfying for me, and it's called Spelunky. Noita's simulated everything is fascinating and I love that aspect of it, but I just find the world uninteresting to explore and its eclectic spell selection more frustrating than intriguing, which swiftly killed my enjoyment of it. Now, give me a version with caves I want to explore and a slightly more evenly-distributed/comprehensible spell selection and I'm there!

 

I appreciate this just makes Noita a game for Other People rather than me, but I'm going to grumble about it anyway.

 

(Hades, meanwhile, benefits from 'just' being an axonometric brawler and being supported by a strong narrative, so its simple arenas and lack of interesting new places to explore aren't a detriment for me in the way Noita's lacklustre caverns are)

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I was expecting Hades to sneak the number two spot as well, but it only came out in November, whereas AC and TLOU2 came out in the spring, so that's probably a contributing factor to not that many people playing it. If I'd finished it in time then it would have been high on my list, although TLOU2 and Alyx would still have beaten it.

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What the hell kind of fucking drugs are you lot taking? :lol: Loads of buzz around Hades ... in comparison to LoU2? Really? 

 

And LoU2 not being well received? On what fucking planet, and in what fucking universe would that be? :lol:

 

Honestly it's a toss-up between the final two as to which is the actual winner. I'd like it to be LoU2 out of the two, but appreciate that Animal Crossing was great for a lot of people during the lockdowns last year.

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4 hours ago, Benny said:

I'm gutted that Hades didn't win to be honest. I will be double gutted if it ends up being beaten to first place by the most depressing game released this year.

 

Yeah, the forum will guarantee to let you down during game of the year. Surprised that during this year we've had, everyone decides that misery porn is the thing that makes them happy. 

 

At least SoR4 finished high up so there is some joy in the world

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I really don't get this 'misery porn' argument against TLOU2.

 

'Why would you want to watch Schindler's List? Misery porn, innit.'

 

'Why read The Road? It's fucking depressing.'

 

'You want to watch Boys from the Blackstuff? Pfft, cheer up mate!'

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20 minutes ago, Thor said:

What the hell kind of fucking drugs are you lot taking? :lol: Loads of buzz around Hades ... in comparison to LoU2? Really? 

 

 

Seeing as Hades was many forumites' GOTY over TLoU2 (far above it in some cases) I don't see why it would be surprising?* Clearly people rank their favourites on very different criteria, and it shouldn't be too hard to see why "explosive reinterpretation of the roguelike" might be a more GoTY worthy-achievement to much of the forum versus "TLoU again with a different story".

 

*How close a split do we have in the top end of the votes?

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4 minutes ago, Jamie John said:

I really don't get this 'misery porn' argument against TLOU2.

 

'Why would you want to watch Schindler's List? Misery porn, innit.'

 

'Why read The Road? It's fucking depressing.'

 

'You want to watch Boys from the Blackstuff? Pfft, cheer up mate!'

 

You're focusing on the "misery" part and not the "porn" part. Is TLoU2's misery there for a thematic reason, or as an end in itself? 

 

Aside from a thread about "what's the point of surviving if we can't build connections", much of TLoU's bleak cruelty seemed to be there because misery is Serious and Mature, and I'm increasingly concerned that the sequel doesn't even have that thread in it.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

Just like with movies then, visual spectacle always wins out over quality.

Hmm, I would say that there’s something in that, but not in Last of Us II case, it’s an absolute masterpiece. 

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@Alex W.

 

It's difficult to talk about without spoiling the narrative, but I'd say that yes, it's very much there for thematic purposes and is integral to the main character's entire arc. I never once thought the violence in TLOU2 was arbitrarily or gratuitous. It's realistic and entirely unflinching, but that doesn't make it pornographic.

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The idea of TLOU2 deserving to be listed alongside Boys from the Blackstuff or Schindler's List has me proper tickled, so I'm glad the thread delivers in that regard.

 

(I've not read or seen The Road, so maybe that's a fairer comparison. I seem to recall it being a title frequently noted as an "inspiration" for the TLOUs, but I'm not about to write it off for that alone - after all, I don't criticise Children of Men for TLOU ripping it off minus any nuance)

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Then again The Last of Us II is a far better stealth action game than The Road or Children of Men etc. I’d say it’s the best to be honest, only really MGSV that challenges it in that regard. 

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9 minutes ago, Jamie John said:

I was making the comparison to highlight that just because something is upsetting doesn't mean it's not worth experiencing, as you both well know :rolleyes:

 

The examples you choose are important, you set your own argument up for a fall by choosing those examples. There's a crucial difference between all of those and TLOU2. Edit: I do agree with your point even but I can't see past the examples you listed.

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1 hour ago, Made of Ghosts said:

Kinda shook that Hades didn't win. I haven't played it yet but it felt like it had the biggest "buzz" surrounding it and I've never heard a word against it. Will there be stats on number of votes vs average placement or whatever?

 

could do this but having just taken a brief peak at the data the top two both had more first place votes and more votes in total than Hades.

 

In fact, the only times we don't see this happen are with Alyx and Paper Mario that both have slightly less votes than those beneath them but are higher placed.

 

 

27 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

 

*How close a split do we have in the top end of the votes?

 

The scores for the top twenty steadily increased until Final Fantasy then there was a jump. There was then a similar jump to Streets of Rage, then to Hades, then to the top two. 

 

I'm afraid if anyone is looking for something interesting in the votes it's not really there (apart from the fact the list is bullshit and Cyberpunk should be top, allegedly)

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37 minutes ago, Jamie John said:

I really don't get this 'misery porn' argument against TLOU2.

 

'Why would you want to watch Schindler's List? Misery porn, innit.'

 

'Why read The Road? It's fucking depressing.'

 

'You want to watch Boys from the Blackstuff? Pfft, cheer up mate!'


Try watching Threads - any of those would be a light palate cleanser to help put a smile back on your face...

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@Mr. Gerbik

 

I'm not sure what 'crucial difference' you're referring to. I think they're valid comparisons for the sake of the argument I was making, insofar as a game, book, TV series and film can be compared. They're all emotionally resonant media, they're all considered masterpieces of their respective forms, they're all excellently-written and (with the exception of The Road, being a novel) performed.

 

BUT ANYWAY. I don't want the thread to be derailed any more than it is already, so let's agree to disagree 

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That reminds me, I need rescind my vote for Ring Fit for third best writing 2019 because there are obviously some lines that have been assigned to places where they don’t make sense for the exercise in question, perhaps as localisation issues. (I doubt that the localisation team had access to animations of each exercise for comparison.)

 

Re. TLoU2, I would like to stress that I don’t have enough experience with the game to weigh in one way or another, but it is obvious where its critics are coming from and I don’t understand why anyone would be incredulous about that. I will also say that games which reach a level where you can debate what they’re doing rather than their basic storytelling competence are accomplishing something remarkable.

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2 hours ago, Wiper said:

Here's the thing about Noita: only one platformer has managed to make procedural generation satisfying for me, and it's called Spelunky. Noita's simulated everything is fascinating and I love that aspect of it, but I just find the world uninteresting to explore and its eclectic spell selection more frustrating than intriguing, which swiftly killed my enjoyment of it. Now, give me a version with caves I want to explore and a slightly more evenly-distributed/comprehensible spell selection and I'm there!

 

I appreciate this just makes Noita a game for Other People rather than me, but I'm going to grumble about it anyway.

 

(Hades, meanwhile, benefits from 'just' being an axonometric brawler and being supported by a strong narrative, so its simple arenas and lack of interesting new places to explore aren't a detriment for me in the way Noita's lacklustre caverns are)

 

Funny how horses for courses these things can be, although to be fair I imagine a fair few don't fancy chewing through something as obtuse as Noita, and don't see a large chunk of the level variety ahead. Certainly more Souls than Souls in that regard.

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