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ryodi

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On 11/08/2021 at 10:53, SMD said:

 

What happens when Merc abandon F1 and fully focus on FE? Or if Ferrari decide enough's enough and enter themselves as a manufacturer?

 

About that

 

https://the-race.com/formula-e/mercedes-set-to-quit-formula-e-after-2022-season/

 

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Mercedes is preparing to leave Formula E at the end of the 2022 season after the conclusion of the latest internal talks by Daimler board members over whether to commit to a Gen3 programme.

The Race understands that the final decision, which is likely to be made public next month, is set to confirm that Mercedes will join fellow German brands Audi and BMW in leaving the new world championship as an official manufacturer next summer.

 

 

Formula E is going to like it was at the beginning with a couple of manufacturers with the rest of the grid made up of private entries when the next gen car is released. It would be nice if the German brands that are abandoning FE will move to WRC to try out their new hybrid engine regulations, three manufacturers really isn't enough. 

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SMD

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3 hours ago, ryodi said:

 

About that

 

https://the-race.com/formula-e/mercedes-set-to-quit-formula-e-after-2022-season/

 

 

Formula E is going to like it was at the beginning with a couple of manufacturers with the rest of the grid made up of private entries when the next gen car is released. It would be nice if the German brands that are abandoning FE will move to WRC to try out their new hybrid engine regulations, three manufacturers really isn't enough. 

 honestly surprised by that, wonder if they're just downsizing their motorsports interests or they're thinking of somewhere else for their electric cars

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SeanR

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7 hours ago, wev said:

I'm beginning to wonder if @SeanRson is Vettel 

Ooh ooh ooh! There might be something in that…

 

The boy went karting yesterday, in his new t-shirt

 

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he also got

 

 

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or possibly an earlier version, as it was on special…

 

(he set the 4th fastest time (and fastest in his group of friends) of the session, while racing adults. I think he was 3 seconds off of third, to give you some idea)

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RFT

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19 hours ago, Dudley said:

It's the problem with any series that relies on manufacturers.

 

They don't win, they question whether the money is worth it, they leave.

They do win, well they've got the marketing benefit now, they leave.

 

Of course, you do get manufacturers that commit long-term to big spends even into what most would see as dimishing returns. Merc's current F1 tenure is one. Audi in Sportscars 2000-2016 is another.

 

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I thought Mercedes F1 was effectively now self sufficient from the latest financial statement I saw, generating so much in prize money and sponsorship that the parent company only put in about €15m last year (and possibly also with that not being necessary, as I seem to also remember they recorded a profit greater than that figure).

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Sidewaysbob

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This news has suprise me. 

 

I think a lot of manufacturers are looking at WEC now. It's relatively low cost (compared to f1 anyway) and Le Mans is arguably the biggest race in the world. 

Porsche, Peugeot, Ferrari, Lamborghini are all evaluating LMDh programs. 

 

I can see merc joining in. It means they can keep the R&D staff employed after the F1 cost cap. 

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Dudley

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5 hours ago, RFT said:

 

Of course, you do get manufacturers that commit long-term to big spends even into what most would see as dimishing returns. Merc's current F1 tenure is one. Audi in Sportscars 2000-2016 is another.

 

 

3 hours ago, MrPogo said:

I thought Mercedes F1 was effectively now self sufficient from the latest financial statement I saw, generating so much in prize money and sponsorship that the parent company only put in about €15m last year (and possibly also with that not being necessary, as I seem to also remember they recorded a profit greater than that figure).

 

Yeah this is the key really, it's very cheap. Remember that while the sign on the door says "Mercedes", Mercedes actually only own 1/3rd of the team.

 

But they're still there because they're still winning?  Will they want to spend the money to get BACK to winning.  Same as Audi, they were relatively untroubled until quite late in that tenure.

 

Equally in F1, of the engine makes, Honda and Renault have both been and gone and been and gone.

 

9 minutes ago, Sidewaysbob said:

This news has suprise me. 

 

I think a lot of manufacturers are looking at WEC now. It's relatively low cost (compared to f1 anyway) and Le Mans is arguably the biggest race in the world. 

Porsche, Peugeot, Ferrari, Lamborghini are all evaluating LMDh programs. 

 

Yeah and the reasons for VW brands there are obvious, they're being very smart.

 

He who wins will be he who wins BoP, no-one will be allowed a runaway.  If Audi/Porsche/Lambo is 6 cars on their good days then the best of the rest will be 7th.  On their bad days they might well still be able to get their best cars into the top 5.

 

And so one of you wins.

 

9 minutes ago, Sidewaysbob said:

 

I can see merc joining in. It means they can keep the R&D staff employed after the F1 cost cap. 

 

There is shit all R+D in LMDh though.  The majority of the car comes from Oreca/Multimatic/Dallara/Ligier and a lot of the rest is a sacrifice to the BoP gods.

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17 hours ago, Dudley said:

 

 

Yeah this is the key really, it's very cheap. Remember that while the sign on the door says "Mercedes", Mercedes actually only own 1/3rd of the team.

 

But they're still there because they're still winning?  Will they want to spend the money to get BACK to winning.  Same as Audi, they were relatively untroubled until quite late in that tenure.

 

The thing is, that I broadly agree with the main point of factories being fickle and buildoing your series around them being a hostage to fortune, but Mercedes are an interesting specimen as we've had mercedes factory involvement in F1, unbroken, for 28 years (Since 1993), and it's come and gone in that period with quite a lot of not winning. I didn't realise until it was pointed out to me at the time that the Brawn championship was the first constructor title they got. (Couple of McLaren-Merc Drivers titles, but no constructors titles * Edit - that's not true. Mclaren-Merc won the constructors in 1998). Apart from Ferrari, I'm not sure even Ford have that level of continuity of factory-funded involvement.

 

The "still winning" thing was, I thought, a point about saying they don;t stick around when they do win - Renault bailing in 1997 after 6 years of having the best engines and still being champions that year.

 

Audi had just spent a fortune on the 2016 cars when they left, which was a corporate "No diesels here, mate, you're thinking of the other Volkswagen Group, honest". thing.

 

 

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Dudley

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Why is Formula E different from F1?  (Minor championship spoilers if you want to do a lot of maths to work something out when you could look at the news).

 

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The championship winner scored points in 7 of the 15 races. 

 

2 wins, 2 2nds, an 8th and 2 9ths combined with 4 out of points finishes and 4 retirements took the title, it was that close.

 

The constructors title winners started the last race in 5th.

 

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6 minutes ago, Dudley said:

Why is Formula E different from F1?  (Minor championship spoilers if you want to do a lot of maths to work something out when you could look at the news).

 

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The championship winner scored points in 7 of the 15 races. 

 

2 wins, 2 2nds, an 8th and 2 9ths combined with 4 out of points finishes and 4 retirements took the title, it was that close.

 

The constructors title winners started the last race in 5th.

 


do they still use 2 cars each?

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SMD

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16 hours ago, layten said:

Boomer vs Zoomer F1 fans, the twitter thread.

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Well for a startI hate that logo, it looks too management consultancy. It does automatically remind me of Russell though.

 

Still fond of these:

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Which I guess tells you that it's either Prost or Hill that pops into my head straight away depending on which logo it is.

 

Fuck, Villeneuve is still Williams' last driver's champion. And he's such a fraud too.

 

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mexos

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47 minutes ago, SMD said:

 

Fuck, Villeneuve is still Williams' last driver's champion. And he's such a fraud too.

 

 

I can't decide if he's the worst of recent memory or you know who, who will be retiring this year signing a three year extension.

 

There is an endplate from an FW11 on sale at ebay at the moment. Signed by Big Nige. Which almost puts me off. Must..not.

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marsh

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4 hours ago, mexos said:

There is an endplate from an FW11 on sale at ebay at the moment. Signed by Big Nige. Which almost puts me off. Must..not.

 

To be fair, I think it would be worth more if hew hadn't signed it....

 

And you can't have a page mentioning Nelson Piquet and me not stating how he ruined Lotus. Original Lotus, not that old new cheating shambles from a few years back.

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mexos

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11 minutes ago, marsh said:

 

To be fair, I think it would be worth more if hew hadn't signed it....

 

And you can't have a page mentioning Nelson Piquet and me not stating how he ruined Lotus. Original Lotus, not that old new cheating shambles from a few years back.

 

Or, Senna made them look a LOT better than they were in 86-87. They built a pup for 88 and Piquet having won a championship the year earlier couldn't be arsed to try and drag big performances out of a bad car. 

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2 minutes ago, mexos said:

 

Or, Senna made them look a LOT better than they were in 86-87. They built a pup for 88 and Piquet having won a championship the year earlier couldn't be arsed to try and drag big performances out of a bad car. 

 

Nah, he was being paid an obscene amount of money at the time and clearly couldn't give a fuck*

 

 

 

*rent on kettering hall and a lack of a proper wind tunnel not withstanding.....

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