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Jesus Christ. Further reading is needed.
 

I’m not intelligent or aware enough to really comment. Other people who know more should.
Because this is another one of those series of moments that I don’t understand how I don’t know about it. Haven’t been taught about it. Wasn’t aware of it. Shows up how little I know about that entire period of conflict; overseas or in America. Socialism. How Republicans vs Democrats happens at each level. Racism and The Black Panther Party.  I didn’t think how an American courtroom could be run could surprise me again. 
 

Has anyone else seen this yet? Love the cast. 

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And I just want to say,l that I realise creative replication of serious moments in history, with familiar faces and lovely music during the credits, is no accurate way to be affected. It was always real life with real people suffering. But that’s why I do further reading. 
 

Anyway, it really made me feel a familiarity with an issue I currently struggle with; that people like me are described as “far left” as though it’s an insult. Because it’s now clear to me it’s nothing new. And to that end, doesn’t hold the same gravity it used to with me.
I used to want to defend myself against it. Defend left leaning politics as what we should all want. What everyone should want. But now I think I realise that these left slurs are just limp tools used by the opposition. And it’s always going to happen. 

What I do think now though, is all the people i see flinging these terms around in this country today, likely don’t know who it happens to align them with throughout history. I know what side I would have felt I belonged on at many points in the past. Some are simpler than others. But I wonder if the liberal left-tard labelling lot know that by their current disapproval, it puts them on the opposite side. 
 

 

In very simple terms, this movie seemed to be saying “you weren’t allowed to be against the Vietnam war”. Which may well be a very obvious statement, and I wouldn’t have a hard time believing it. But it’s left me with such a strong feeling of incredulity. 

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Great movie. Always good to see a new Sorkin show & this was no different. Obviously Rylance, Redmayne & Langella were fantastic in it, as you would expect, but I was impressed with SBC as Hoffman especially as it went on & he had some more serious scenes. 
 

The real standout of the movie was definitely Mateen playing Bobby Seale. Continuing his fine work from Watchmen, he has such good screen presence that I feel he could be a real big star soon. 

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I really enjoyed that, and not something I knew much about.  I’ve got this queued up on YouTube after seeing it linked on twitter, a dramatisation of the trial with interviews with those involved:

 

 

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The TV movie I linked above is well worth watching, and I’m assuming a more accurate portrayal of the trail.  It’s interesting to see the bits Sorkin changed or skipped over.

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Chiming in saying this was great, the judge is rage-inducing and you look him up and he's just one of those people who know the job they've got to do and are fine with it, proper banal evil.

 

And yeah SBC was really good.

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Really good.  Had picked up on some of the themes in and around Robert Evans' podcast (the Black Panthers bit).

 

Johnson's and Nixon's presidencies were toxic as fuck.  It's both inspiring and equally sad that America's admirable culture of civil disobedience seems so at risk now.

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Watched it on Saturday. Echo what most have said above - thought it was great, but not a big surprise given my love of Sorkin's work.

 

There were times when my wife and I just looked at each other with a combination of surprise and disgust at how blatant the Judge was. Some performance from  Frank Langella.

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Really really enjoyed that, just a great script with fanatstic performances. Not surprised as it has one hell of a cast.

I thought SBC and Yaya Abdul-Matee were the stand outs.

 

The judge though, fucking hell, he was just evil and so obvious in his prejudice. Perfectly executed by Langella.

 

 

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Just watched this and absolutely loved it. Great performances portraying what is a sometimes unbelievable but all too real series of events. Its not overly emotional but towards the end there were some bits that really got to me. The jags of humour help to balance the seriousness of what actually happened and its very timely message.

 

 

 

 

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I’ve never experienced such a raging sense of injustice while watching courtroom proceedings before this movie. 
 

The ending was pure Sorkin cheese. I may have even pumped a fist in the air. 

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I've not seen this and not read any posts in this thread for fear of spoilers. Can anyone answer this - on a Sorkin Melodrama Scale of 1-10, where does it land?

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11 hours ago, Benny said:

So centrist. So Sorkin.

 

So about a 5.

 

Not really:

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The centrist character is shamed for showing decorum to a broken system by the maid, has his opposition to grassroots activism deconstructed as coming from position of privilege with the emphasis that they're on the same side just using different means, and then chooses to stand with the left during the ending rather than be given beneficial treatment by the right (which is how you know it's a fairytale ending because haha that would never fucking happen).

 

It made me think maybe there's hope for Sorkin.

 

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That's true enough, but

 

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The prosecutor standing up at the end because "you gotta support the troops" is pure cheese, and still puts faith in the establishment, and even some Republicans, being inherently okay if it wasn't for a "few bad apples" kind of narrative that Sorkin loves. The part of the trial that was much much more powerful and interesting from a contemporary perspective was the image of a Black man being bound and gagged in the courtroom - this is never reflected on much later on, but to me all the elements with the Black Panther characters and the civil rights struggles going on from that perspective are much more interesting than the "redemption" arc of the less radical left character. Mark Kermode's review of this is also pretty on point.

 

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2 hours ago, Benny said:

That's true enough, but

 

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The prosecutor standing up at the end because "you gotta support the troops" is pure cheese, and still puts faith in the establishment, and even some Republicans, being inherently okay if it wasn't for a "few bad apples" kind of narrative that Sorkin loves. The part of the trial that was much much more powerful and interesting from a contemporary perspective was the image of a Black man being bound and gagged in the courtroom - this is never reflected on much later on, but to me all the elements with the Black Panther characters and the civil rights struggles going on from that perspective are much more interesting than the "redemption" arc of the less radical left character. Mark Kermode's review of this is also pretty on point.

 

Also 

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That moment with Bobby Seale being cuffed and gagged was for one day in the film, where as in reality he appeared in court like that for around a weekdj0039-standard.jpg.e62ab8c2314c00335a784232fff294ca.jpg

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, wev said:

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That moment with Bobby Seale being cuffed and gagged was for one day in the film, where as in reality he appeared in court like that for around a weekdj0039-standard.jpg.e62ab8c2314c00335a784232fff294ca.jpg

 

 

 

 

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I did not know much about the trial before watching the film, but what you mention there now makes that aspect of the film feel like it was sanitised a bit by ommision.

 

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3 minutes ago, Benny said:

 

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I did not know much about the trial before watching the film, but what you mention there now makes that aspect of the film feel like it was sanitised a bit by ommision.

 

 

It was still shocking to see. Really disgusting. 

 

One thing I thought about today re the window scene

 

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Did it feel like a very on the nose metaphor for white/rich privilege to anyone else? This very thin divide that allows them to see out but still noone takes notice of this horrible thing thats happening right under their noses until it literally crashes though their window and lands at their feet. They even all ignored the one person trying to draw people too it.

 

Not to say it was a bad thing but was just thinking about it and how its still reflected in todays society 50 years on. 

 

The way Abbie says that inside it was like the 1950 and that people refused the get with the times. Again feels so apt for today. This movie seems to have come around at exactly the right time.

 

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I didn't know anything before watching it @Bennybut this sort of thing usually sends me down a rabbit hole.

 

I've got all the YouTube vids above waiting to be watched, but is there a good book about the case? 

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This is a good piece on it

 

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/22/i-was-in-the-room-where-it-happened-one-womans-perspective-on-the-trial-of-the-chicago-7/
 

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Aaron Sorkin’s The Trial of the Chicago 7, streaming on Netflix, is entertaining, sometimes moving and often funny. But it played fast and loose with the facts. I ought to know. I was a yippie organizer for the ’68 protest and present every day at the trial, working on the defense side

 

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It did get a bit silly when Sorkin's proxy in the film essentially turned to the camera and said "I don't approve of protesting because it stops moderates from winning elections"

 

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10 hours ago, Stigweard said:

Yeah but thats always going to happen with a true life courtroom drama. No one wants to watch a real court room, you have to spice things up a little for the purposes of entertainment.


true, but it was a really a reply to Wev looking for more to read about what really happened and I’d just read her article & found it interesting.

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