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WandaVision - 15 January 2021


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3 hours ago, probotector said:

I’m pretty sure they are currently shooting season 2 for this.

 

Also, Wanda was clearly the villain in this. Yet she walks away like she’s some kind of hero and Sword barely even try to stop her.

 

She needs to be put down for what she did.


When Godzilla smashes up a city and walks back out into the sea, you don’t really try to stop him and put him in handcuffs.  I guess Monica’s stance has always been that the best way to save Westview was to not antagonist Wanda.  There was no real means to go against her.

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Nothing is really resolved there. The series opened looking for someone missing in witness protection, never resolved. It's unclear if the Super speed was a result of the necklace, or just the mind control. 

 

Not sure if they were kite flying for reaction, but easily revisited if they want. 

 

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1 hour ago, Timbuktu said:


When Godzilla smashes up a city and walks back out into the sea, you don’t really try to stop him and put him in handcuffs.  I guess Monica’s stance has always been that the best way to save Westview was to not antagonist Wanda.  There was no real means to go against her.


 

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They’re probably also really not sure about what was going on, given the SWORD bad guy told them it was Wanda who was the bad guy, but then they saw her defeat another super being bad guy before being the one to bring down the dome and end it all.

 

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I’m just gonna spoiler all this although really what the fuck are you reading this thread for if you ain’t watching. 

 

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Yeah CGI punchmans has never been less relevant. The talking bit was good, just keep that! 

 

Quite good though. Ep before was better IMO, overall pretty enjoyable series. Wanda isn’t a villain exactly, but she’s the fucking Scarlet Witch. 

the moral ambiguity part is very comic like, because in the comics no one gives a fuck about the people apart from saving their lives. Also no one knows whether she did it all by accident on purpose, or because of Agatha.


And another thing, it pisses me off in these movies (though I understand Ofc), when they corner a bad guy who had been trying to destroy the world, they don’t fucking obliterate them. They fucked that up in Infinity war and ended up having to do the same thing later anyway but with a bunch more casualties. 


but!

 

Sticking Agnes/Agatha into a safe zone was the best thing to do by far. If she turns out to be useful/good whatever, she’s there.

 

Liked that white vision is still undercover presumably. 

 

 

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So the whole ending...

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It all felt a bit.. Felicity and Arrow with the nuke to me.. where a major character has done something incredibly bad and nothing really happens. The sons/Vision etc. were all in her mind, just created with her own magic and fantasy coming to them all accepting it at the end. But Wanda trapped, tortured and scarred those other town folk for the rest of their lives. Unless I'm missing something and she magically wiped their minds after it? I doubt it from what I saw as she had no idea that they were all being forced to reliver her nightmares whilst she slept. They were prisoners and untold damage was done but all sorted of washed away because Agnes was poking around the edges. That one mother crying because she can't see her kids, wanting to die rather than stay in that state for the rest of her days felt a lot deeper than the rest of the fantasy Wanda had conjured up.

 

I don't think Agnes deserved a lifetimes imprisonment for what she did either, yes she killed those other witches centuries ago but they were trying to kill her too and they all seemed to be baddies in general. It was Wanda at the middle of this and she deserves more than retiring to a hut in the woods, practising magic. And after Wanda did all that just who is she to judge and pass punishment on someone else. Terrible person.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Welrain said:

Seeing Wanda as a villain just doesn’t sit well with me...

 

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I think the core thing you have to understand is that Wanda didn’t do any of this intentionally. She was undergoing a period of intense grief and it feels like you was having a severe mental health crisis, as she became more lucid she began to see and understand the damage she was doing and took steps to remedy it.  I’m sure there will be repercussions though.

 

That's just having a sympathetic villain though, as opposed to some random agent of chaos. There needs to be some form of justice to more away from villainy, not necessarily punitive, but definitely some attempt at restorative, combined with reflection and responsibility. Otherwise it's "With great power comes great priviledge".

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23 minutes ago, therearerules said:

That's just having a sympathetic villain though, as opposed to some random agent of chaos. There needs to be some form of justice to more away from villainy, not necessarily punitive, but definitely some attempt at restorative, combined with reflection and responsibility. Otherwise it's "With great power comes great priviledge".

 

They just needed to tweak her line about not understanding her powers slightly so she showed a bit more remorse "My powers did terrible things to these people, and that's on me, because I didn't understand my powers but I will" (but better than this)

 

 

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I enjoyed Wanda going incognito at the end by flipping up her hood and then walking right through the centre of town, in full view of all of the people who have just been violated by her day and night. Talk about a walk of shame.

Also, why exactly was the SWORD guy arrested at the end? Shooting at superpowered fake children that he knew to be figments of Wanda's imagination can't be it. Reactivating Vision to take down Wanda's version would be sensible and presumably had SWORD's backing. Mounting an offensive to take the townspeople and his agents back when other attempts to coerce Wanda failed seemed reasonable. He might've been the typical "arsehole in charge" stereotype but I can't see the arrest as anything other than the writers sloppily trying to conclude his storyline.

 

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16 minutes ago, DeciderVT said:
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Also, why exactly was the SWORD guy arrested at the end? Shooting at superpowered fake children that he knew to be figments of Wanda's imagination can't be it. Reactivating Vision to take down Wanda's version would be sensible and presumably had SWORD's backing. Mounting an offensive to take the townspeople and his agents back when other attempts to coerce Wanda failed seemed reasonable. He might've been the typical "arsehole in charge" stereotype but I can't see the arrest as anything other than the writers sloppily trying to conclude his storyline.

 

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He was arrested for tampering with evidence.

 

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Can we cut the spoiler tags yet?

 

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He was arrested because you arrest and then investigate. The investigation would have led to some troubling allegations.

 

He was fun, he’ll be back. They were testing the waters with so much of this.

 

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45 minutes ago, DeciderVT said:
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I enjoyed Wanda going incognito at the end by flipping up her hood and then walking right through the centre of town, in full view of all of the people who have just been violated by her day and night. Talk about a walk of shame.

Also, why exactly was the SWORD guy arrested at the end? Shooting at superpowered fake children that he knew to be figments of Wanda's imagination can't be it. Reactivating Vision to take down Wanda's version would be sensible and presumably had SWORD's backing. Mounting an offensive to take the townspeople and his agents back when other attempts to coerce Wanda failed seemed reasonable. He might've been the typical "arsehole in charge" stereotype but I can't see the arrest as anything other than the writers sloppily trying to conclude his storyline.

 

 

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Well he shot Monica but I assume that it was for unleashing white vision?

 

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7 minutes ago, DeciderVT said:

How would he have done that without the explicit compliance of SWORD?
 

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Also, he didn't shoot Monica- she ran into the path of his bullets, I assume to stop Wanda from having another meltdown.

 

 

Cause the big boss of SWORD is in space and

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he could have been going rogue with all the White Vision stuff.

 

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13 hours ago, DeciderVT said:

How would he have done that without the explicit compliance of SWORD?
 

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Also, he didn't shoot Monica- she ran into the path of his bullets, I assume to stop Wanda from having another meltdown.

 

 

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Yeah, but with Hydra getting all up in Shield business - you can see how the other government agencies would have some questions when they discover Sword is building secret weapons.

 

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I was disappointed that the grand finale was such a generic feeling characters vomiting CGI lasers at each other affair, complete with the obligatory sky beam.

 

While I wouldn't expect Disney to go full Legion, it would have been nice if the final battle had contained even 1/5th of the inventiveness of this when visualising two ludicrously powerful characters throwing down.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Harsin said:

I was disappointed that the grand finale was such a generic feeling characters vomiting CGI lasers at each other affair, complete with the obligatory sky beam.

 

While I wouldn't expect Disney to go full Legion, it would have been nice if the final battle had contained even 1/5th of the inventiveness of this when visualising two ludicrously powerful characters throwing down.

 

 

 

I preferred the dance battle they did.

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