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WandaVision - 15 January 2021


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58 minutes ago, Steely said:

End of season, Fake Pietro snaps out of his trance and asks Wanda if she is with the xmen

Maybe it's stunt casting but otherwise that would be good way to leave the audience wanting more. No further explanation just "are you with the X-Men?" and to be continued in Dr Strange 2: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Multiverse

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14 hours ago, Harsin said:


No, it was the multiverse theory of 'time travel, where actual travelling through time is impossible so they were going to incredibly similar parallel universes that were at a different point in their timeline to the main MCU one. They do explain it in the film, but it’s already quite a packed feature and they don't spend that much time on it so I imagine quite a few people didn't really pick up on what all the technobabble was about.

That's not right. They do time travel but in doing so create new timelines branching out from their timeline.

 

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25 minutes ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

Maybe it's stunt casting but otherwise that would be good way to leave the audience wanting more. No further explanation just "are you with the X-Men?" and to be continued in Dr Strange 2: How I Learned to Stop Worring and Love the Multiverse

 

Formal request to Marvel that they change the title to this.

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Yes that's right - they do travel back in time, but their actions create a new reality, a fork in the road - it doesn't undo their future, which has already happened and can't be undone.

 

That's why they have to return the stones after they use them - because without them, the new reality, and everyone experiencing it, will be doomed to death.

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4 minutes ago, Popo said:

Yes that's right - they do travel back in time, but their actions create a new reality, a fork in the road - it doesn't undo their future, which has already happened and can't be undone.

 

That's why they have to return the stones after they use them - because without them, the new reality, and everyone experiencing it, will be doomed to death.

 

How come the present reality will be fine? After they return the stones they then don't have any stones remaining?

 

I always thought that was a bit hand wavy plot point just to get rid of the stones. 

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They referenced Marvel's Nexus of All Realities in this week's fake advert and we're told that this ties into Doctor Strange 2 which we already know is all about the multiverse. If casting Evan Peters in this really is just a long gotcha and he's some random schmoe then gotta admit it's an odd creative choice.

 

I read elsewhere that the speedster effect they have for him with wavy blue lines is more akin to the Fox films than the effect they used for Kick Ass in Age of Ultron. Can anyone confirm/deny as all I remember of him in the Fox films is when they did the everybody frozen in time while he does stuff to pop music scenes.

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15 minutes ago, McCoy said:

 

How come the present reality will be fine? After they return the stones they then don't have any stones remaining?

 

I always thought that was a bit hand wavy plot point just to get rid of the stones. 

 

They just borrow the stones from the past, undo the snap, then return them to the past.  Endgame spoilers:

 

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As Super Craig says, the stones from the MCU were destroyed by Thanos at the beginning of Endgame, offscreen.

 

The internal logic is pretty sound, actually. It's partly why Infinity War/Endgame are such satisfying movies.

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1 minute ago, Popo said:

 

They just borrow the stones from the past, undo the snap, then return them to the past. 

 

From what I remember I don't think that's what happens. As soon as they travel to the past they are creating a new reality, because in their own reality their future selves were never there at that time. At the end of the film they return the stones to those realities, to ensure that they can carry on existing - their own reality still has them all, albeit atomised on Thanos' farm.

 

Although that falls apart a bit when the elderly Captain America turns up at the end!

 

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6 minutes ago, Popo said:

 

They just borrow the stones from the past, undo the snap, then return them to the past.  Endgame spoilers:

 

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As Super Craig says, the stones from the MCU were destroyed by Thanos at the beginning of Endgame, offscreen.

 

The internal logic is pretty sound, actually. It's partly why Infinity War/Endgame are such satisfying movies.

 

I get that, but why will the alternative realities fail without the stones whilst the main MCU reality is going to be fine even post the destruction of the stones. 

 

If the stones are required to maintain reality then destroying them will surely cause issues? 

 

Edit: Ah, PK probably nails it, stones still exist in MCU reality just in atoms. 

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7 minutes ago, McCoy said:

 

I get that, but why will the alternative realities fail without the stones whilst the main MCU reality is going to be fine even post the destruction of the stones. 

 

It probably won't be fine, they made sure they had that scene of Tilda Swinton saying that if a dimension doesn't have its Infinity Gems Stones anymore it's gonna be real bad for it. I imagine that this will tie into whatever the ultimate threat of this new phase of the movies is.

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I'm extremely late to the party as the first episode didn't grab me but I decided to give it a shot after all the buzz and now it's pretty much my favourite MCU thing since Guardians of the Galaxy. It's clever, the acting is superb, the period stuff spot-on and 

Spoiler

Agatha All Along


is an abslute banger of an earwurm. Love it, though it suddenly makes Falcon and The Winter Soldier look very run-of-the-mill in comparison.

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5 minutes ago, Vemsie said:

I'm extremely late to the party as the first episode didn't grab me but I decided to give it a shot after all the buzz and now it's pretty much my favourite MCU thing since Guardians of the Galaxy. It's clever, the acting is superb, the period stuff spot-on and 

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Agatha All Along


is an abslute banger of an earwurm. Love it, though it suddenly makes Falcon and The Winter Soldier look very run-of-the-mill in comparison.

There's been lots of chat recently from Marvel about how TFATWS has plenty of surprises of it's own. I think there is an element of trying to re-assure people that it won't be run of the mill (two bros who don't really like one another fighting generic merc teams is NOT as good a pitch as WandaVision at all) but if some of the more exterme rumours are true then it could a few "did not see that coming/what are the implications for the MCU" type moments too....

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1 hour ago, PK said:

 

From what I remember I don't think that's what happens. As soon as they travel to the past they are creating a new reality, because in their own reality their future selves were never there at that time. At the end of the film they return the stones to those realities, to ensure that they can carry on existing - their own reality still has them all, albeit atomised on Thanos' farm.

 

Although that falls apart a bit when the elderly Captain America turns up at the end!

 


Yes, that’s exactly right - they’re returned to the past a few moments after they were taken, which is now a forked, new reality due to them time-travelling in the first place. 
 

Edit - actually, I think that’s not quite right either! By returning the stones the fork is undone, correct?

 

1 hour ago, McCoy said:

 

I get that, but why will the alternative realities fail without the stones whilst the main MCU reality is going to be fine even post the destruction of the stones. 

 

If the stones are required to maintain reality then destroying them will surely cause issues? 

 

Edit: Ah, PK probably nails it, stones still exist in MCU reality just in atoms. 


Doctor Strange spoilers:

 

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Because, at the very least, Dormammu would have destroyed Earth if Strange hadn’t intervened with the Time Stone. 


 

There are probably loads of other examples that I can’t think of, but the Infinity Stones are the main McGuffins in the MCU and have been used a load of times to directly alter the course of events or save the world/other worlds. I don’t think The Ancient One was foreshadowing as-yet unknown events in future movies when she said her reality was doomed without the stones. Come to think of it, (Endgame spoilers:

 

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When Hulk told her that Strange allowed Thanos to have the Time Stone, she knew right away what was going to happen, and gave it willingly herself;

she knows that, when the time comes, the same thing will have to happen in her reality too. 

 

 

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I went back and watched the scene, this is what she says. Does lean more towards it just being some random bloke.
 

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A: I got close with fake Pietro... Fietro, if you will. But no dice.

W: That was you?

A: No, it wasn't literally me. Just my eyes and ears. A [word I'm unsure of] possession. Necromancy was a non-starter since your real brother's body is on another continent. Not to mention full of holes. But you're so crippled by your own self-doubt you believed it! 

 

 

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Who knows - it’s more likely they looked at who was left in contract or decided to renew and built the phase around that. Luckily they have a fair few secondary characters (ie not the main avengers lineup) they can flesh out a bit now. 
 Bodes well for the next cycle of movies though if this is the quality of the TV output. 

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4 hours ago, Harsin said:

I went back and watched the scene, this is what she says. Does lean more towards it just being some random bloke.
 

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A: I got close with fake Pietro... Fietro, if you will. But no dice.

W: That was you?

A: No, it wasn't literally me. Just my eyes and ears. A [word I'm unsure of] possession. Necromancy was a non-starter since your real brother's body is on another continent. Not to mention full of holes. But you're so crippled by your own self-doubt you believed it! 

 

 

 

Unless I'm misremembering, I believe the subtitles read:

 

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crystalline

 

Make of that what you will...

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Vision is rubbish. He can walk through walls but got the crap beaten out of him in the movies. 
 

I don’t think this multiverse nonsense is all that interesting and hope they stay away from it. The best marvel stuff is when they focus on the characters and their relationships, like in Winter Soldier and with Wanda’s grief in this. Couldn’t give a crap about infinite timelines. 

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