WandaVision - 15 January 2021

[McCoy]

1 minute ago, Thor said:

There is, literally, a Marvel comic about Wanda and Vision, called Wandavision. 

 

That said, I believe Rooster was just speculating, and I like that theory, so allow me to speculate further...

 

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Agnes is Loki.

 

 

I'll raise you and speculate that

 

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Agnes is Ultron.

 

[Thor]

19 minutes ago, McCoy said:

 

I'll raise you and speculate that

 

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Agnes is Ultron.

 

Nice, but how?

 

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Of course, Vision is part Ultron! 

 

[SpagMasterSwift]

Well played Marvel, well played 

[Vulgar Monkey]

Really enjoyed that. Thought the rest has been good but this episode ramps it up hugely.

 

Otherwise 

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I like how Vis is basically becoming 'that guy' who picks apart the lack of internal consistency in shows. 

"How do we know if anyone ever goes to the toilet if we dont see it?" etc

 

Also, this is why you never work with kids or animals.

 

 

And the ending was basically this:

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[McCoy]

7 minutes ago, Thor said:

Nice, but how?

 

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Well, Ultron and Vision are definitely linked to each other and Sword were doing stuff to Vision's corpse. Ultron somehow regained access to the Internet that way and away he went. I also think Agnes is controlling everything, not Wanda but still think Ultron could be behind Agnes. 

 

Loki has no link to Wanda or Vision whilst Ultron has strong connections to them both. 

 

I'm also suspicious why we're all being recommended to watch Age of Ultron too... 

 

[MansizeRooster]

2 hours ago, IcEBuRN said:

HOLY MOLY! This just gets better!

 

@MansizeRooster I read your spoiler, assuming it was about the episode. But in your last line you mentioned something. Which if not speculation, is a FUCKING SPOILER FROM THE COMICS. Please don't do that. Some people in here don't know the history or lore.

That's not something that I personally know from the comics, but cheers for confirming that that's what it is, thereby spoiling this show.

[Harsin]

I think Agnes is

 

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Batman

 

Athletic

Seems to have a contingency plan for every situation

Got excited at prospect Wanda can bring people back from the dead 

 

[krenzler]

55 minutes ago, McCoy said:

 

I'll raise you and speculate that

 

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Agnes is Ultron.

 

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Could it not be Mephisto? Tying into Dr. Strange 2?

 

[moosegrinder]

 

7 minutes ago, krenzler said:

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Could it not be Mephisto? Tying into Dr. Strange 2?

 

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I keep seeing this bandied about but nothing in the program has pointed towards that character being introduced. It just seems like wild wishful thinking.

 

Also RE:Vision

 

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He's not acting like he was before he got brained. He's very emotional, much more than he's shown in the movies. Is that Wanda projecting on him or other?

 

[Harsin]

Someone has to have posted Too Many Cooks at some point in this thread, but I'm gonna post it again.

 

 

[Alex W.]

Very clever.

 

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Agnes is clearly Agnes.

 

I can’t believe anyone thinks they’re going to introduce a new character at the last minute who is the antagonist. Well, I can believe that people are unread enough to think that, but I wish people stopped treating shows like ARGs with dialogue.

 

[Mortis]

8 minutes ago, moosegrinder said:

 

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I keep seeing this bandied about but nothing in the program has pointed towards that character being introduced. It just seems like wild wishful thinking.

 

Also RE:Vision

 

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He's not acting like he was before he got brained. He's very emotional, much more than he's shown in the movies. Is that Wanda projecting on him or other?

 

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Without the mind stone he’s not really Vision - the computer part is there but what made him appear human is gone - Wanda is obviously filling in the blanks from what she wants him to be but the logical part of the machine is what’s fighting for control and reality. 

 

[Vulgar Monkey]

Also, totally forgot but props to whoever

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predicted Vision was being sockpuppetted by wanda. Bang on.

 

[Alex W.]

7 hours ago, McCoy said:

Out of interest, during the credits where Disney+ recommend something else to watch, is everyone being recommended Age of Ultron? 

 

Just wondering if that's Marvel doing something meta as well, particularly with the speculation that

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Ultron

may be somewhat involved. 

They started recommending Age of Ultron after Episode 3 aired, because that’s the first one that mentions Ultron, Pietro, and Wanda’s backstory in that movie.

[Alex W.]

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Without the mind stone he’s not really Vision - the computer part is there but what made him appear human is gone - Wanda is obviously filling in the blanks from what she wants him to be but the logical part of the machine is what’s fighting for control and reality. 

 

 

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And also he’s missing like, half his brain. Thanos didn’t exactly do surgery. I wonder if any Vision exists without Wanda’s memories filling the gaps.

 

[mdn2]

So this is where all the (future MCU speculation about casting)

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Universes collide, Holland's Spiderman ends up working with Maguire and Garfield versions to stop Doc Oc/Electro/Vulture with Doctor Strange and Doctor Strange ends up going up against Wanda in his second film to stop all the realities colliding. This is how Marvel bring the X-Men into the fold. 

All speculation, but it seems to fit give that ending. 

[SaintAnselm]

This is a good video that shows and explains a lot of the comic references contained in the show.

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HOW DARE PEOPLE REFER TO THE XMEN FILMS? 
 

that’s just unfairly spoilering things by bringing in stuff that isn’t necessarily in continuity. 
 

Just like mentioning comics that may or may not be relevant as part of their speculation.
 

If you don’t want to mention any broader cultural context or background when talking about comic book stories, the best of which historically riff on one another and gain depth as you do so, may I suggest you go and make your own thread.

 

also that you read some comics, and watch some more films.

rather than censoring speculation, in a show that’s deliberately set up for such speculation.

 

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And that is deliberately expecting such speculation amongst half the fan base.

 

[IcEBuRN]

1 hour ago, MansizeRooster said:

That's not something that I personally know from the comics, but cheers for confirming that that's what it is, thereby spoiling this show.

Uh huh. As I said, I don't know the lore, you clearly do, whether from comics or not. You are referencing a plot point, from wherever. Not guessing at a theory, don't turn this back on me, that's a bit scummy. 

[kris_doe]

Just now, IcEBuRN said:

Uh huh. As I said, I don't know the lore, you clearly do, whether from comics or not. You are referencing a plot point, from wherever. Not guessing at a theory, don't turn this back on me, that's a bit scummy. 

Grow up

[IcEBuRN]

Just now, kris_doe said:

Grow up

Ok dad.

[MansizeRooster]

2 minutes ago, IcEBuRN said:

Uh huh. As I said, I don't know the lore, you clearly do, whether from comics or not. You are referencing a plot point, from wherever. Not guessing at a theory, don't turn this back on me, that's a bit scummy. 

I don't know anything about Agnes. I don't know why you're convinced that I do. Sorry if you feel like I'm spoiling this show for you by engaging in speculation, but it looks like a lot of the people in this thread think that you're being unreasonable in doing so.

 

Maybe if you're so sensitive to spoilers and speculation, you should avoid this thread in the future.

[Broker]

2 hours ago, Thor said:

There is, literally, a Marvel comic about Wanda and Vision, called Wandavision. 

 

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Agnes is Loki.

 

That you just imagined? I’ve never seen a WandaVision comic and can’t see any reference to one online. 
 

The show seems to be vaguely related to Tom King’s run on Vision (which doesn’t feature Wanda), and also people are speculating that maybe it’s a bit like House of M, which it really isn’t. It features a plot line from the eighties Scarlett Witch and Vision comic but doesn’t fit into that in any other way. It’s literally a completely new story with one or two elements from unconnected comics, much like all of the Marvel movies.

[Droo]

It’s known to be based on great expectations. 
 

Agnes is very obviously Mrs Havisham. 

[Broker]

20 minutes ago, IcEBuRN said:

Uh huh. As I said, I don't know the lore, you clearly do, whether from comics or not. You are referencing a plot point, from wherever. Not guessing at a theory, don't turn this back on me, that's a bit scummy. 

You’re being super weird about this. If you’re so pathologically scared of spoilers that you’re going to accuse strangers of lying about their knowledge of comics to try to ruin the TV show for you then you should really avoid putting that on other people. The speculation that you’re convinced is a spoiler is a random guess based on the content of the show.

[makkuwata]

So this is a deep dive analysis, from folks who know better, So go forward with EXTEREME CAUTION

 

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[Thor]

@Broker It would appear you are correct, there is no specific Wandavision comic (I haven't read a Marvel comic since pre-puberty) but I could have sworn I'd read about and seen reference to Marvel comics regarding Wand and Vision, and one specifically called Wandavision. Oh well.

[moosegrinder]

1 hour ago, Mortis said:

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Without the mind stone he’s not really Vision - the computer part is there but what made him appear human is gone - Wanda is obviously filling in the blanks from what she wants him to be but the logical part of the machine is what’s fighting for control and reality. 

 

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I guess so. In Endgame Banner says he's made up of Jarvis, Banner, Stark, Ultron and the mind stone. I guess because he's dead there's nothing left of anything and he's an entire fabrication. But I'd he's a fabrication of Wanda in his entirety how is he 'rebelling' against Wanda's will?

 

[McCoy]

29 minutes ago, Droo said:

It’s known to be based on great expectations. 
 

Agnes is very obviously Mrs Havisham. 

 

Nope Agnes is Jackie Weaver. Controlling events from afar. 

[Vulgar Monkey]

17 minutes ago, moosegrinder said:

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I guess so. In Endgame Banner says he's made up of Jarvis, Banner, Stark, Ultron and the mind stone. I guess because he's dead there's nothing left of anything and he's an entire fabrication. But I'd he's a fabrication of Wanda in his entirety how is he 'rebelling' against Wanda's will?

 

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I guess because she knows (consciously or not) that that's what the real him would do? Which would mean she's being sort-of self-sabotaging, albeit via a layer of abstraction. Not intentionally, just she didnt think that far ahead. Perhaps she could have imagined a more pliable vision but would be ultimately unsatisfied, or perhaps she doesnt have that degree of control?

 

Maybe it's like when Vis was first created. She can breath life into him with her witchy powers, but he started out with enough a degree of autonomy and powers, that he is able to gradually build on that over time. By the time he's self-aware / powerful enough to be a problem, it's too late to do much about it?