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My Series X has arrived!!

 

But it has to remain boxed up for a loooooong time before I get to enjoy it.  Our house move fiasco means that there's just not going to be the room for it, so it's not just a case of having a TV that won't do it justice.

 

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5 minutes ago, MattKB said:

Anyone got the extra SSD card? Is it just plug and be seamless with internal storage?


Yes I have it and yes it is. 
 

However if your default storage is full rather than just install on the card it throws up a message to say storage full shall I install on the other one. I think this is always how it works to be fair. It’s not really a problem and obviously having twice the storage is amazing. 

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On 17/03/2021 at 22:38, Yiggy said:


Yes I have it and yes it is. 
 

However if your default storage is full rather than just install on the card it throws up a message to say storage full shall I install on the other one. I think this is always how it works to be fair. It’s not really a problem and obviously having twice the storage is amazing. 

 

This the 1TB Seagate thing that is over £200 - only read about it yesterday. Are there other options or is a proprietary thing that only works with Xbox and is a licensed accessory ?

 

I honestly think this console (the X series in my case) has given me the best first impression for a new machine in a very long time, it does feel a generational leap forward and paired with gamepass having not touched my xbox in years its fantastic. 

 

I think that you're seeing the vision of games that were launched on more restrictive hardware being realised, hopefully once the games start coming out targeting this hardware arrive we don't start hitting things like stuttering framerates, long load times or other technical issues that have been removed in a lot of cases on the older games. Devs ambition often outstrip a hardwares capability (or their own ability). 

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@GottersI wouldn’t worry about long loading times or stuttering frame rates. The X is a really capable machine that’s been built to handle all that stuff. If anything, games should get smoother as devs get to grips with it and the dev tools mature.

 

For the expansion, that’s the only one available at the moment, but larger sizes should start to appear and hopefully prices will come down over time. I wouldn’t get one just yet unless you really need it.

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1 hour ago, Gotters said:

This the 1TB Seagate thing that is over £200 - only read about it yesterday. Are there other options or is a proprietary thing that only works with Xbox and is a licensed accessory ?

 

Yes thats it. As a plug in SSD that directly increases the internal storage and allows you to run all games off it then its the only option at the moment. 


However you can get big external SSD's that plug in for a lot less £/mb. You can't run optimised X/S games from them but you can fairly easily copy an X/S game off of it onto the internal storage. You can also run Xbox One and BC stuff from it no problem. If you get an SSD version rather than a mechanical drive load times will be improved. Though likely not as quick as the official internal SSD. 

 

In the end I bit the bullet and bought the official one as I had the cash and wanted an easy solution. It works well and requires zero faffing. Pricey though. Costs will eventually come down or sizes will go up. 

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5 minutes ago, Yiggy said:

 

If you get an SSD version rather than a mechanical drive load times will be improved. Though likely not as quick as the official internal SSD. 

 

 

I bought an external SSD (a Sabrent Rocket Pro) and it is every bit as fast as the internal drive. It's a transformational upgrade. Yes you can only play older games from it but that's most of what we're all playing at the moment anyway and it's amazing to have a Series X with terabytes of games on it and everything loading super fast.

 

The only slight issue is that sometimes, maybe about once a week, the drive seems to "power down" when the Xbox is off and doesn't come back on - I need to replug the USB cable to wake it up again. The tick box in the settings to keep external drives powered on doesn't seem to fix this. It's a very minor inconvenience though.

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3 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

(a Sabrent Rocket Pro)

 

This one? So its a little less than half the price of the Xbox official one (£140 for 1TB or £250 for 2TB) with the trade off being that you can't play updated games direct from it.

 

I think thats quite a good trade off if you want to spend less money or want more storage. Operationally I think I still prefer the memory card official option though just for convenience. 

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7 minutes ago, Yiggy said:

 

This one? So its a little less than half the price of the Xbox official one (£140 for 1TB or £250 for 2TB) with the trade off being that you can't play updated games direct from it.

 

I think thats quite a good trade off if you want to spend less money or want more storage. Operationally I think I still prefer the memory card official option though just for convenience. 

 

I have a cheap £70 samsung or something SSD for my XB1 games on external and it's plenty fast. All Series games internal obviously. I wouldn't bother spending daft money for the fastest of fastests USB SSDs as it really won't make much of a difference. 

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24 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

 

I bought an external SSD (a Sabrent Rocket Pro) and it is every bit as fast as the internal drive.

Is this right? I thought the internal was some fancy NVME drive that was supposed to be super fast?

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I think in theory the NVME drive can get faster once games start to use its full potential (the "Velocity Engine" or some such marketing bullshit term) but right now I genuinely can't tell the difference in speed between my internal and the external drives.

 

Coming off a creaky old Seagate 2TB external, and putting the exact same games straight onto this one, it's been absolutely incredible. Worth every penny, to me.

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7 minutes ago, JPL said:

Is this right? I thought the internal was some fancy NVME drive that was supposed to be super fast?

 

Older games aren't using the full potential of the "velocity engine" which is everything working together, the I/O controller, and the full internal SSD bandwidth and the fast decompression of the CPU. This is all applicable to both the PS5 and Xbox series X/S.

 

The PS5 is far more cut and dry with this stuff with a clear distinction between running a PS4 game and PS5 game, where as it's a bit more of a blurred line on Xbox. 

When running a PS4 game on PS5 under BC, it'll load super fast, almost as fast as it would when installed to the internal SSD and this is because the biggest bottleneck was before the slow as fuck data decompression using the old Jaguar CPU cores. I use a mechanical external drive with my PS5 and even there you get MASSIVE loading improvements. 

 

Regarding the series X/S, right now I personally don't think the expensive memory card thing is worth it. You're better off just getting an external drive and keeping older games on it with "proper" series X/S games on the internal. 

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If the suspended game install speed increases are significant then there might be even less reason to get an expansion. Had no issue with the Series S so far. Unless game sizes increase massively I think it'll be fine for my use. 

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1 hour ago, Garwoofoo said:

I bought an external SSD (a Sabrent Rocket Pro) and it is every bit as fast as the internal drive. It's a transformational upgrade. Yes you can only play older games from it but that's most of what we're all playing at the moment anyway and it's amazing to have a Series X with terabytes of games on it and everything loading super fast.

 

Not true.

 

Internal disk is 3500mbps, while the theoretical speed of the Sabrent Rocket Pro is 1000mbps. However, the Xbox uses a USB 3.1 connection which maxes out at 600mbps so the extra 400mbps of your drive goes wasted. Only the official Seagate SSD Card has the same 3500mbps speed as the internal drive. 

 

In practice you won't notice it that much though... it is the difference between 15 seconds loading time versus 7 seconds loading time. Most of us all still conditioned with last-generation's huge loading times. 

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Loading times are one of the biggest improvements in gaming in years. I watched Digital Foundry's video about the ps5 version of Avengers. Loading reduced from well over a minute to about 4 seconds - on last gen the loading screen is all animated renders of the characters because they know you need something to look at. That screen doesn't even appear any more. 

 

It's like we're suddenly back to the cartridge days. There are loads of games that instantly become much more playable because of this. Prey, Outer Worlds and Forza Horizon 4 come to mind for me. 

 

I find last gen stuff sometimes still loads slowly off my mechanical external, an external ssd is probably on my shopping list when my 'thanks for being a key worker' bonus from the Scottish government hits my bank. 

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2 minutes ago, deerokus said:

Loading times are one of the biggest improvements in gaming in years. I watched Digital Foundry's video about the ps5 version of Avengers. Loading reduced from well over a minute to 4 seconds - the loading screen doesn't even appear any more. 

 

It's like we're suddenly back to the cartridge days. There are loads of games that instantly become much more playable because of this. Prey, Outer Worlds and Forza Horizon 4 come to mind for me. 

 

Borderlands 3 as well, completely transformed. Buttery framerate, insta-loading, fluid UI.

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3 minutes ago, Uncle Nasty said:

 

Borderlands 3 as well, completely transformed. Buttery framerate, insta-loading, fluid UI.

Oh god yeah. I had that on ps4, there's what feels like a 2 minute long load of watching a bar fill up while claptrap dances around before you get to the main menu. Then the game runs quite unsteadily. Totally absent on series x. 

 

Astroneer too. That has comedy loading on last gen where it feels like you're sitting through the actual solar system being created. Just a few seconds now. 

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