Xbox Series X | S

[TehStu]

2 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Better than just a phone screen, also how big is your phone?!

Note 9, so 6.4" to the Switch's 6.2", albeit at a wider/taller aspect ratio.

 

Yes, I appreciate it's better for gaming (well, good gaming). I guess the point I was making was that it's very unlikely the Switch is your only screen, hence the lack of Netflix not being a big deal. At some point, xCloud will be on everything it can be. I don't think they need to include a Switch in that, feels like wishful thinking. Everyone already has a mobile device capable of xCloud, and soon to be other devices around the home.

[Stanley]

2 minutes ago, TehStu said:

Note 9, so 6.4" to the Switch's 6.2", albeit at a wider/taller aspect ratio.

 

Yes, I appreciate it's better for gaming (well, good gaming). I guess the point I was making was that it's very unlikely the Switch is your only screen, hence the lack of Netflix not being a big deal. At some point, xCloud will be on everything it can be. I don't think they need to include a Switch in that, feels like wishful thinking. Everyone already has a mobile device capable of xCloud, and soon to be other devices around the home.

I’m sure they would put it on Switch if they could as it’s tailor made for games whereas with a phone you’d need a pad and holder thingy, it’s more that Nintendo wouldn’t be digging it is my guess. 

[Transient Curse]

2 hours ago, Jg15 said:

I can see Gamepass perhaps hitting Switch in the future, featuring a curated list of Xbox titles (first and third party) not available on the Nintendo platform.

If you're Nintendo, why do you want your customers to give Microsoft money, which they'll give you a cut of,  when you could just sell them Mario Kart and keep all the money?  The switch is so successful, what does Gamepass offer them, that they actually need? 

[deerokus]

1 hour ago, auntyclimax said:

 

They don't allow games with nudity though, do they?

They sure do. It's weird to think of but true that Nintendo is the least censorious of the three console platform holders. 

 

All those anime soft porn games don't even come out on PlayStation any more due to their stricter controls. Eshop is teeming with them. 

 

 

There are already a few cloud streamed games on switch - Control and Hitman 3 certainly. No reason more like that couldn't happen which is just a short step from xcloud gamepass. Theoretically PS5 only people will be able to use gamepass in a browser on their ps5, although I doubt that will work in practice. 

[Stanley]

17 minutes ago, deerokus said:

They sure do. It's weird to think of but true that Nintendo is the least censorious of the three console platform holders. 

 

All those anime soft porn games don't even come out on PlayStation any more due to their stricter controls. Eshop is teeming with them. 

 

 

There are already a few cloud streamed games on switch - Control and Hitman 3 certainly. No reason more like that couldn't happen which is just a short step from xcloud gamepass. Theoretically PS5 only people will be able to use gamepass in a browser on their ps5, although I doubt that will work in practice. 

It’s not a short step from Game Pass at all - the cloud games on Switch are sold at full price the same way every other game on the eshop is sold, with Nintendo getting their cut. With Game Pass using Xcloud they’d get a much smaller cut for a much larger selection of games, so it’s of much greater risk to them, whereas with individual cloud games there is no risk at all. 

[kensei]

If cloud delivery proves successful, Nintendo will have to go that way. Possibly the only way in us if they pitch a Nintendo cloud service to Nintendo based on GP architecture, with Gamepass becoming an add on sunscription. That could then work on reverse on Xbox. 

 

I think that's probably a number of years way if it was to happen though. Nintendo also have a deal with Nvidia, who could also provide the infrastructure. 

[McCoy]

I've only skimmed the last few pages but I can definitely see Gamepass being offered to other consoles. Not sure Nintendo or Sony would accept but I'm sure MS would be delighted to be on both Switch and PS5. 

 

Let's face facts, the money in the long term is based on us all paying a monthly subscription to play games. Selling a box every 5 years is not where the profit is - the profit is eventually getting us all to pay MS £10 a month direct. 

 

 

[Sarlaccfood]

35 minutes ago, McCoy said:

Selling a box every 5 years is not where the profit is 

 

Apart from all the massive profit that’s been made, yeah you’re absolutely right.

 

[Kryptonian]

3 hours ago, TehStu said:

There just doesn't seem much point. Everyone who has a Switch and pays for GP almost certainly has a phone with similar size screen to the Switch. Not to mention the Switch triggers aren't a good match. 

My phone screen looks a lot smaller than a switches but the internet says it’s 6”. It’s an iPhone though so no streaming/xcloud for me cos reasons  

[McCoy]

24 minutes ago, Sarlaccfood said:

 

Apart from all the massive profit that’s been made, yeah you’re absolutely right.

 

 

I thought the actual box often made a loss. Its the games which make the money. And why a regular subscription income is the wholly grail for most companies these days. 

[TehStu]

36 minutes ago, Kryptonian said:

My phone screen looks a lot smaller than a switches but the internet says it’s 6”. It’s an iPhone though so no streaming/xcloud for me cos reasons  

Yeah, it was an approximation. You can definitely play games on your phone, although I haven't tried many to see how the UI scales.

 

edit - I think what I was getting at is that there are other means of portable xCloud, and there are incoming means of TV xCloud. Obviously, aside from adjusting for the joycons, there's merit for MS, but it's hardly a ringing endorsement for Nintendo to have GP. I also don't buy that we'll all do streaming, thus Nintendo needs a streaming solution (something someone else brought up). Switch downloads are small, and making people buy a big SD card is better than spinning up global infrastructure to support streaming.

 

Web xCloud streaming coming soon for you!

[Sarlaccfood]

15 minutes ago, McCoy said:

 

I thought the actual box often made a loss. Its the games which make the money. And why a regular subscription income is the wholly grail for most companies these days. 

I think Nintendo and Sony are still happy with the current model. They both get sub money from their online services anyway.

[McCoy]

14 minutes ago, Sarlaccfood said:

I think Nintendo and Sony are still happy with the current model. They both get sub money from their online services anyway.

 

I mean, the fact that they both have a subscription model certainly implies to me that they both place some importance on this revenue stream going forwards. 

[TehStu]

For online play + perks though, right? GP is still separate from Live, so they all have an online subscription. I'm sure they all want to keep that.

[Transient Curse]

35 minutes ago, McCoy said:

 

I thought the actual box often made a loss. Its the games which make the money. And why a regular subscription income is the wholly grail for most companies these days. 

I think the Xbox one was sold at break even but the series X is definitely being sold at a loss, but I assume as time goes by the components get cheaper. I think you're right that games are by far the lion's share of the money.

[Sarlaccfood]

10 minutes ago, McCoy said:

 

I mean, the fact that they both have a subscription model certainly implies to me that they both place some importance on this revenue stream going forwards. 

Yeah but I don’t think it implies they want to replace their current, very lucrative, business model with a subscription service. Especially if they already have both.

Maybe one day sure, but I don’t think you can definitively point to anything at the moment as evidence of Sony and Nintendo wanting to move in that direction.

[Transient Curse]

3 minutes ago, TehStu said:

GP is still separate from Live

It's a bit blurry with Ultimate though. 

[MNFRMTMRRW]

1 hour ago, Sarlaccfood said:

I think Nintendo and Sony are still happy with the current model. They both get sub money from their online services anyway.

Sony's Jim Ryan already said they were working on a response to Game Pass a while back. You can bet it's coming. "The best deal in gaming" narrative is something they probably not too happy with it. I believe they will settle for an EA Play type of model with 1> year old 1st party games in the subscription... and maybe some newer 3rd party games. Also PS Now is already close to that service, just not really marketed heavily by Sony. 

[SeanR]

They fucked PSNow by offering streaming first. Now no fucker will touch, even though it includes downloads. Typical Sony arrogance.

[Sarlaccfood]

1 hour ago, MNFRMTMRRW said:

Sony's Jim Ryan already said they were working on a response to Game Pass a while back. You can bet it's coming. "The best deal in gaming" narrative is something they probably not too happy with it. I believe they will settle for an EA Play type of model with 1> year old 1st party games in the subscription... and maybe some newer 3rd party games. Also PS Now is already close to that service, just not really marketed heavily by Sony. 

Yeah agreed.

In addition to their current model though. I don’t think it will be replacing individual releases.

 

[TehStu]

Good lord, I hope it doesn't replace it. I want to buy a new box every few years, it's cheaper than paying for the absurd data xCloud uses. 

[Shimmyhill]

8 hours ago, TehStu said:

Good lord, I hope it doesn't replace it. I want to buy a new box every few years, it's cheaper than paying for the absurd data xCloud uses. 

Why aren’t people rioting in the streets about data caps in the US? 

[SeanR]

2 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

Why aren’t people rioting in the streets about data caps in the US? 

You’d be surprised what you can get away with under the heading “Destiny manifest”

 

the right to bear arms

no free healthcare

data caps

 

they probably just accept it because it’s always been like that, and that’s what makes America great: free enterprise

 

god bless capitalism!

[MNFRMTMRRW]

36 minutes ago, SeanR said:

You’d be surprised what you can get away with under the heading “Destiny manifest”

 

the right to bear arms

no free healthcare

data caps

 

they probably just accept it because it’s always been like that, and that’s what makes America great: free enterprise

 

god bless capitalism!

Under this narrative the great U S A is rapidly becoming a 3rd world authoritarian banana country. Right under their noses and they all fail to see it let even act on it. Look at the astronomical rise of China which can be directly link to the collapse of the American dream (and they are actively fueling it by moving all their production there). American's misunderstanding of the world "Freedom" will be their demise.

 

All of this is no surprise... and the irony is that China and Russia are using America's own weapons against them: mass media, social media and micro-targeting/advertising. And the great U S A just stands by and watches how hostile states are poisoning and destroying their society.  

[Stanley]

Banana republic.

[Mr. Gerbik]

In the games, 'Banana Republic' is the Donkey Kong equivalent of Mario's 'Mushroom Kingdom'.

[Jackson]

Managed to get a pre order in at accessories warehouse for delivery in April/May. Might be something someone else wants to do too.

 

Edit, link: https://accessorieswarehouseuk.com/collections/xbox-series-x-consoles/products/xbox-series-x-console

[Stanley]

2 minutes ago, Jackson said:

Managed to get a pre order in at accessories warehouse for delivery in April/May. Might be something someone else wants to do too.

Is that the best we can hope for at the moment, two or three months off to get a Series X 

[T Pot]

Just now, Stanley said:

Is that the best we can hope for at the moment, two or three months of to get a Series X 

I got notifications about it being in stock at Very twice last week and once at The Game Collection.

 

Very sold out within 60 seconds each time, and TGC had them in £700 bundles.

[Stanley]

Damn, crazy isn’t it. I really want one and was gonna hang on until Flight Sim, but what’s the point waiting? Seems like I might not have a choice