Xbox Series X | S

[gooner4life]

Dude make the XB1 the primary, then the kids can use their account without yours signed in, you can then use your XSX whenever you want as your account can play your games on any machine.

[TehStu]

4 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

Dude make the XB1 the primary, then the kids can use their account without yours signed in, you can then use your XSX whenever you want as your account can play your games on any machine.

But they mostly play on the XSX, because the living room is basically the play room. In order for me to play on the XB1 without tripping over what they're doing, the XB1 needs to be primary. This was just a rare moment I got to sit down and actually use my stuff. 

[Wallace]

40 minutes ago, TehStu said:

But they mostly play on the XSX, because the living room is basically the play room. In order for me to play on the XB1 without tripping over what they're doing, the XB1 needs to be primary. This was just a rare moment I got to sit down and actually use my stuff. 

 

Why can't you sign in on the XSX? 

[TehStu]

17 minutes ago, Wallace said:

 

Why can't you sign in on the XSX? 

I can. As soon as I launch a game it says the account is already playing a game on another console. For example, tried to load Dead Cells on the XSX and it said I couldn't because I'm playing Minecraft on the XB1. I'm not, I'm just counted as signed into Minecraft and the kids are both playing on their own accounts. If I sign out on the XB1, the secondary console, it would say they don't own Minecraft. 

 

This setup works 95% of the time because my dad gaming is relegated to the bedroom. Can't have fing and blinding in watch dogs downstairs. 

[Hitcher]

Just make yours their primary and theirs yours.

[carlospie]

Imagine when the series X gets some games. It's going to be such a good day. Like the second coming. 

[MattyP]

6 minutes ago, carlospie said:

Imagine when the series X gets some games. It's going to be such a good day. Like the second coming. 

It has plenty of games... I don't even worry about "platform exclusives" anymore. It's just a box that plays games cheaper than I can build a PC for. Added bonus it plays some of my old games too. Just like a PC does. 

 

Sure some games may look prettier when they are tailored to the newer Xboxes but don't for one minute expect anything revolutionary same with PS5 for that matter. Sure it has fancy harptics on the controller but fundamentally it's just more shinies again.

 

Been having a ton of fun on older content recently namely Geometry Ward Retro Evolved, PG4 and Space Giraffe. Finding newer games a bit tedious and unengaging if I'm honest. Even Silent Hill 2 which I've been playing recently graphics withstanding feels leagues ahead of The Medium in terms of a psychological horror game and that is 20 years old. 

 

However the new Xbox makes my gaming experience more refined. Great pad, quick loading and quiet.

[carlospie]

Oh I love mine to bits. I just mean it's going to be even more awesome when our next gen console has some next gen games 

[MattyP]

3 minutes ago, carlospie said:

Oh I love mine to bits. I just mean it's going to be even more awesome when our next gen console has some next gen games 

It will be interesting to see what the developers manage to do with all the extra processing power. However given how the PC has gone in terms of games the core gameplay will be the same just the graphics a bit more detailed and smoother framerates. I really don't expect anything that is going to blow us away in terms of only being doable on the new consoles. Like my 5 year old PC will still play the most recent games just not at the fidelity of a high end setup. These days I'm actually finding more that I don't really care about whizzy shiny graphics that much we are at a stage now where everything just looks great. Even at 1080p. This has been emphasised even more so since I got the Series X back in November.

[carlospie]

Just now, MattyP said:

It will be interesting to see what the developers manage to do with all the extra processing power. However given how the PC has gone in terms of games the core gameplay will be the same just the graphics a bit more detailed and smoother framerates. I really don't expect anything that is going to blow us away in terms of only being doable on the new consoles. Like my 5 year old PC will still play the most recent games just not at the fidelity of a high end setup. These days I'm actually finding more that I don't really care about whizzy shiny graphics that much we are at a stage now where everything just looks great. Even at 1080p. This has been emphasised even more so since I got the Series X back in November.

 

I agree. My most played ATM is rare replay!

[Stanley]

Has Dark Souls (any of them) had any improvements made for the Xbox Series consoles? I’m still waiting for Flight Simulator before diving in, but Dark Souls at 120fps could tempt me also 

[Lovelyman]

It'll be almost exactly the same as playing at 60hz

[MNFRMTMRRW]

1 hour ago, carlospie said:

Oh I love mine to bits. I just mean it's going to be even more awesome when our next gen console has some next gen games 

Please define "next-gen game" while taking into account that generations don't really exist on the PC or iOS platform. 

[MNFRMTMRRW]

51 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Has Dark Souls (any of them) had any improvements made for the Xbox Series consoles? I’m still waiting for Flight Simulator before diving in, but Dark Souls at 120fps could tempt me also 

Not yet and with From Software you better not hold your breath. 

 

The only thing I absolutely hate about From Software is their absolutely atrocious support for their games on anything but the PC platform. Bloodborne is a technical nightmare, Dark Souls III on Xbox is locked to 900p and they never properly patch their games. Sekiro on PC has tons of frame pacing issues that From Software never even fixed. The only right way for me to play their games is on PC where the community stepped up. Wouldn't mind if Microsoft bought them.  

[Stanley]

What’s the biggest technical showcase currently on Series X would you say? 

[MattyP]

1 minute ago, MNFRMTMRRW said:

Please define "next-gen game" while taking into account that generations don't really exist on the PC or iOS platform. 

It's an old school term these days and has no relevance to iOS, PC and now the Xbox platform. Suppose Sony are using it to drive sales of PS5. MS clearly have no "next generation" content. Although lots of content will have improved frame rates and improved visuals making them "next gen". 

 

Nothing released on any of the new consoles couldn't have been done on the old consoles IMHO. Graphics could have been designed to be scalable in the case of Sonys releases. They chose not to - to push new hardware. Which is fair enough. Sure the controller ads elements but again no reason why a DS5 could not have been made to work on PS4 if Sony wanted to. 

 

On par I like the way MS are just building a platform to play on what you have rather than excluding people from new content because they have older systems. Sure some content might eventually need more powerful hardware to run newer games but then you have an upgrade path when you decide to.

 

Not sure how the whole thing will pan out long term pros and cons each way. As a gamer though good to know with MS's approach the transition will be smoother and less expensive. Couldn't stomach paying £65+ for a game and GamePass is a much more palatable way financially and offers me variety of content for me to play.

 

Good to have choices and like the fact that companies are taking different approaches.

[dreamylittledream]

3 hours ago, Hitcher said:

Just make yours their primary and theirs yours.

He has done. The SX is the machine they normally use as it’s in the living room.

 

On this occasion however they are using they are using the secondary console in the bedroom which needs the main account logged in to work so he can’t use his account on the main living room console.

 

I have the same problems with XB1 in the Conservatory and my XSX in the living room, if the secondary machine is in use then I can’t use the primary (what normally happens is they are both using them, then one goes off to do something else but I then can’t use the spare machine as my account has to be logged in on the secondary).

 

Its a bollocks system basically and needs a proper family system solution

 

 

[dreamylittledream]

double post

 

[Boozy The Clown]

It's got fuck all games. Saying otherwise is kidding yourself and disgustingly sycophantic. I'm still playing games on it that are over 3 years old and built for a machine that's 7 years old. I'm enjoying it and they run better than ever but lets get serious here. They launched a console, actually 2 consoles that don't have any games designed for them. You can like The medium all you like but when that's the single example of a game not available on the previous gen from the platform holder and it's 3rd party, you cannot deny they have made an arse of things.

 

Yes the games are coming but we really have no idea when. You can still enjoy the new boxes and I wouldn't give mine up for a minute but I am thoroughly disappointed in the line up thus far. Yes the benefits and boosts to old games is great and I will never be short of games to play even if nothing next gen ever releases, but as an Xbox guy since day one I cannot praise the current situation.

 

 

[Stanley]

18 minutes ago, Boozy The Clown said:

It's got fuck all games. Saying otherwise is kidding yourself and disgustingly sycophantic. I'm still playing games on it that are over 3 years old and built for a machine that's 7 years old. I'm enjoying it and they run better than ever but lets get serious here. They launched a console, actually 2 consoles that don't have any games designed for them. You can like The medium all you like but when that's the single example of a game not available on the previous gen from the platform holder and it's 3rd party, you cannot deny they have made an arse of things.

 

Yes the games are coming but we really have no idea when. You can still enjoy the new boxes and I wouldn't give mine up for a minute but I am thoroughly disappointed in the line up thus far. Yes the benefits and boosts to old games is great and I will never be short of games to play even if nothing next gen ever releases, but as an Xbox guy since day one I cannot praise the current situation.

 

 

Yeah it why I held off following the Halo delay and not really knowing when Flight Sim is out, it’s all very well offering first party titles day one on Game Pass, when there aren’t any 

 

But it’s a situation that can only improve. I really do think we will see some strong first party games from MS this gen, and in the meantime it should deliver the best third party experiences too. 
 

Halo, Flight Sim & (maybe) the next main line Forza this year would be a great start. 

[MNFRMTMRRW]

39 minutes ago, Boozy The Clown said:

It's got fuck all games. Saying otherwise is kidding yourself and disgustingly sycophantic. I'm still playing games on it that are over 3 years old and built for a machine that's 7 years old. I'm enjoying it and they run better than ever but lets get serious here. They launched a console, actually 2 consoles that don't have any games designed for them. You can like The medium all you like but when that's the single example of a game not available on the previous gen from the platform holder and it's 3rd party, you cannot deny they have made an arse of things.

 

While I understand how you get to that point, I just very much disagree with the overall sentiment. 

 

I have never enjoyed a launch more with near perfect hardware and a diverse bunch of games to play in optimal form: Yakuza: Like A Dragon, WRC 9, Dragon Quest XI S, Tetris Connected, Gears Tactics, Destiny 2, Control: Ultimate Edition and Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order. Yes, I didn't play some of those games before and some might have and not looking forward to a replay. But the reason why I personally didn't play those games, is because they launched in unacceptable state with unacceptable performance on last-gen consoles. So unless you are a hardcore gamer who plays everything day one, I don't see how this launch can be disappointing at all. It actually has proven why this generation is shaping up to be something special.... almost everything at 60fps and there is just so much diversity all around and many of it included in Game Pass. 

 

Also having flagship AAA titles at launch is actually a stupid strategy since you won't have hardware to sell. So supposedly by accident I believe Microsoft is actually better off launching those games when supply catches up with demand (so more demand needs to be generated). And the fact that all hardware is sold out regardless of availability of "true next-gen games" whatever that might mean just proves this point: you don't need system seller games at launch. 

[Garwoofoo]

39 minutes ago, Boozy The Clown said:

It's got fuck all games. Saying otherwise is kidding yourself and disgustingly sycophantic. I'm still playing games on it that are over 3 years old and built for a machine that's 7 years old. I'm enjoying it and they run better than ever but lets get serious here. They launched a console, actually 2 consoles that don't have any games designed for them. You can like The medium all you like but when that's the single example of a game not available on the previous gen from the platform holder and it's 3rd party, you cannot deny they have made an arse of things.

 

Yes the games are coming but we really have no idea when. You can still enjoy the new boxes and I wouldn't give mine up for a minute but I am thoroughly disappointed in the line up thus far. Yes the benefits and boosts to old games is great and I will never be short of games to play even if nothing next gen ever releases, but as an Xbox guy since day one I cannot praise the current situation.

 

 

 

I genuinely don't see it like this.

 

I guess I'm still thinking of it in terms of a PC upgrade. I've got a new Xbox and it runs all my Xbox games better than ever before. Faster loading, improved performance, HDR, these are all great things to have. Playing Yakuza 7, Hitman 3 and Assassin's Creed Valhalla at 60fps has felt like a real upgrade.

 

Going forward I will continue to buy Xbox games. I fully expect most of these to be "cross-gen" for years to come. A lot of games won't even need the power of the Series X, so why would they restrict themselves to being "exclusive"? And bigger games will probably mostly continue to run on the One X, just less well than they do on the Series X. That's your incentive to upgrade - great games running as well as they can.

 

I'm sure there will be games eventually that only run on the Series consoles, but I can't see there's much incentive for developers to make them right now and I expect them to take time to make. For now, having the best Xbox ever made and having my games look and run better than ever - and knowing I am future-proofed for anything that comes out - is plenty good enough for me.

[MattyP]

36 minutes ago, Boozy The Clown said:

It's got fuck all games.

Arguably you could say the same about the PC though. What new content has been released for that?

 

In terms of the old school generational thing that is the trend with consoles no it doesn't. No killer game that is reason to buy the system. They released the hardware too early for that. Guess at least we have games to play, new games by indies and third parties. Not exclusive system sellers but good games.

 

Depends what you want from a new machine though. Just seeing the Xbox as the equivalent of a PC upgrade myself. Haven't had a Xbox console since last January.

[Boozy The Clown]

I just wanted them to curb stomp Sony and mash them in the balls. They didn't. 

[MattyP]

7 minutes ago, MNFRMTMRRW said:

Also having flagship AAA titles at launch is actually a stupid strategy since you won't have hardware to sell. So supposedly by accident I believe Microsoft is actually better off launching those games when supply catches up with demand (so more demand needs to be generated). And the fact that all hardware is sold out regardless of availability of "true next-gen games" whatever that might mean just proves this point: you don't need system seller games at launch. 

Halo releasing this winter will be a great thing for MS had additional time to polish it up and it will drive GamePass subs up and shift consoles. Win/Win. 

 

Just wondering how they will handle getting it to perform on the OG Xbox One. Going to be interesting to see what they do there as it will be a taste of how they are going to manage this going forward. 

[Boozy The Clown]

Halo Infinite is built for the Xbox One. Games truly taking advantage of the Velocity architecture and all the other techno whizz bang of the Series consoles is what will be lacking this year and possibly next. 

[MattyP]

1 minute ago, Boozy The Clown said:

I just wanted them to curb stomp Sony and mash them in the balls. They didn't. 

Think long term MS's strategy will pay off having the content spread across as many devices as possible. I like the fact that I could have just continued using my PC to play games on Xbox Game Pass if I'd have wanted to. Or pick up a game where I left off on my phone if I decide too. Like the flexibility.

 

Shame Sony limit their content to one exclusive box which people are having difficulty to get. Hoping that they release content onto PC at some point too. We'll see I guess.

 

[MNFRMTMRRW]

1 minute ago, Boozy The Clown said:

Halo Infinite is built for the Xbox One. Games truly taking advantage of the Velocity architecture and all the other techno whizz bang of the Series consoles is what will be lacking this year and possibly next. 

That is like saying "CyberPunk 2077 was build for the PC". Halo: Infinite was built for the Xbox platform meaning One, One S, One X, Series S, Series X, Xcloud/mobile and PC. 

[MattyP]

14 minutes ago, MNFRMTMRRW said:

That is like saying "CyberPunk 2077 was build for the PC". Halo: Infinite was built for the Xbox platform meaning One, One S, One X, Series S, Series X, Xcloud/mobile and PC. 

I don't think we'll see a all out game exclusively written for the Series consoles. All games should be able to run on all console variants as I'm guessing the graphics layer somewhere in there with be based on Direct X. Same for the storage architecture there will be an API layer for VA that can be switched on for Series consoles (or PCs if they support it). All code will be x86 based anyway. 

 

Sure the experience might not be the same - 900p@30fps for OG Xbox one Vs 1080p/4K@60fps (or more) on more powerful hardware. Same way PCs work. Sure at some point the game logic will need the beefier Series CPUs - but think that will be a while off.

 

As I mentioned before it will be interesting to see how MS manage this...   I just look at how PCs do it and expect it will be similar - although MS have less console hardware variants to test on so will be a bit easier I guess. Its an interesting move by MS. There are plenty of options though. Older consoles could even have the xCloud streaming app on them to play the newer games that the host hardware isn't powerful enough to run locally - which can be optimised for the older Xbox hardware.

[MNFRMTMRRW]

1 minute ago, MattyP said:

As I mentioned before it will be interesting to see how MS manage this...   I just look at how PCs do it and expect it will be similar - although MS have less console hardware variants to test on so will be a bit easier I guess. Its a interesting move by MS. There are plenty of options though. Older consoles could even have the xCloud streaming app on them to play the newer games that the host hardware isn't powerful enough to run locally - which can be optimised for the older Xbox hardware.

I am pretty sure this will happen at some point. They already hinted at such a thing. Don't forget too that Xcloud currently is running on Xbox One S consoles in Microsoft's datacenter and at some point will be upgraded to Series X consoles when Microsoft can meet consumer demand which might take a while.