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6 minutes ago, FiveFootNinja said:

Damn. Unfortunately I’ve obviously misread it as after a bit of research it seems they are additional purchases again, £20 a pop. :unsure: 

Grab some from IKEA. Surely having rechargeables is preferable and works out cheaper than having to buy new controllers.

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5 minutes ago, Pockets said:

Elite 2 pads are built in batteries and seem to last a while. I do get, and agree with the argument for replaceable batteries in theory, but a controller without does feel nicer.

and when those internal batteries fail?

 

With sony controllers you have to replace the controller I believe?  it is only a 1000mah battery - a pair of AAs will easily do 4000

 

Is that the case with Elite 2?

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23 minutes ago, FiveFootNinja said:

Just had an email from Microsoft offering me the opportunity to pre-order a USB-C controller rechargeable kit... I have obviously missed something as for some reason I was sure the new Xbox pads could just plug in now like the PlayStation? Have they still got the stupid AA battery thing going on?

Actually, I thought the Series X/S didn’t have a USBC port. Weird.

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1 minute ago, TehStu said:

2.5gbps isn't very fast? 

 

@layten what's a typical PC doing, these days? 

NVME Drives usually use 4 PCIE lanes which are essentially 1GB per lane for PCIE 3 and double that for PCIE 4. Samsung have just announced the 980 Pro drives which can push 7500MB/s peak.

 

The reason for the proprietary connection is much like why Apple insist on keeping the lightning connector on their phones. Sweet, sweet money.

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So "isn't very fast" is 2.5gb/s, blazing fast is the PS5's 5gb/s, and PCs Crush Everyone As Always are 7.5gb/s. Although, obviously the latter can't go over usb3.1. 

 

Nah, it's fast. I've got an ancient Intel 320 sata2 SSD, if you want an example of "isn't very fast".

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40 minutes ago, JPL said:

Grab some from IKEA. Surely having rechargeables is preferable and works out cheaper than having to buy new controllers.

I could probably steal some Eneloops from work to be honest but I just can't be bothered with separate chargers cluttering up the place. I've always had play and charge kits and just leave them hooked up in the TV bench after playing now and again and forget about it.

 

39 minutes ago, Clipper said:

With sony controllers you have to replace the controller I believe?

I believe so (although I expect you could probably find a YouTube video on how to strip one down and DIY it like I did with my iPhone) but in fairness I haven't needed to worry about it as even after 7 years my PS4 one is still going strong.

 

 

Ultimately it matters little really, but I do think it's a bit cheap of MS not to include the play and charge in the box so you can buy your console and crack on without needing to purchase other things (or reverting to unsustainable disposable batteries). If you were being picky about it you could argue you should add £20 onto the RRPs of the Xbox to make it an apples for apples comparison with the PlayStation.

 

The pads seem similar, has anyone seen if you can use Xbox One play and charge batteries in the new versions?

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there is a point there that I agree with . PS4 controllers have a (shit) battery inside and the Xbox controllers you have to pay for the batteries.

 

PS controller is £45 I think and xbox ones are £50 ish

 

So £5 more and I have to put batteries in it.... that is a bit shit value-wise.

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55 minutes ago, deerokus said:

Something I read implied that multiple manufacturers could make them. Not just seagate. We'll see. 

Microsoft have noted their intention for this to happen, but I just can't see it being a very competitive market even if another manufacturer enters it as the pool of potential customers is only a subset of people who own Xboxes. It's kind of like Compact Flash cards, which would probably be a lot cheaper if photographers weren't the only ones buying them.

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I think it’s just a continuation of how drives worked on the Xbox 360 to Xbox One - if you want to upgrade it has to be something in a jam-and-toddler resistant casing, so laptop drives and SSDs are out and portable drives and proprietary SSD modules are in.

 

That it also makes Microsoft some money is a bonus.

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2 hours ago, JPL said:

Grab some from IKEA. Surely having rechargeables is preferable and works out cheaper than having to buy new controllers.

 

2 hours ago, Clipper said:

and when those internal batteries fail?

 

With sony controllers you have to replace the controller I believe?  it is only a 1000mah battery - a pair of AAs will easily do 4000

 

Is that the case with Elite 2?

 
PS4 battery is incredibly easy to replace, I’d imagine the elite pad is too.

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7 hours ago, deerokus said:

Isn't it just the connector and/or card shape that's proprietary? The actual format and interface is standard. Conceivably someone could make a shell for a naked nvme drive to plug into it. 

 

Given the song and dance they've made about the importance of exactly replicating the performance of the internal drive it probably has some stuff in there to tell the Xbox that it's an official drive. I doubt it's just a different shape of NVMe connector. Probably the console's also watching out to check that performance and heat are within expected parameters. If you dangle a PC SSD off the back and it's getting insufficient cooling and reports that to the system, or starts to clock itself back aggressively, the console's probably going to assume it's a real drive that's become defective and stop with an error message.

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10 hours ago, Clipper said:

and when those internal batteries fail?

 

With sony controllers you have to replace the controller I believe?  it is only a 1000mah battery - a pair of AAs will easily do 4000

 

Is that the case with Elite 2?

 

As much as I see the argument from both sides and certainly not disputing batteries fail and will have done so for Playstation owners, I've always owned both Sony and Microsofts offerings every generation i've never had a battery fail in a Dual Shock controller. 

 

First thing I done with my 360 was buy a plug and charge kit, which due to degredation and short life then got replaced with rechargeable batteries. This was to me a constant hassle especially if I forgot to charge some. Also I was always concerned about leaving the batteries charging etc. On the Xbox One again I opted for the play and charge kit and have found it much better than the 360's in terms of life and degredation.

 

I guess my point is i'd rather have an internal/integral rechargeable battery in my controllers, being removable on the Xbox is definitely comforting should it ever go bad.

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36 minutes ago, BarryL85 said:

 

As much as I see the argument from both sides and certainly not disputing batteries fail and will have done so for Playstation owners, I've always owned both Sony and Microsofts offerings every generation i've never had a battery fail in a Dual Shock controller. 


Fail? No. Degrade to the point of awfulness, sure.
That’s what happens with batteries over seven years.

I expect the same from the Elite 2: it’s just chemistry and a function of usage/battery size.

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Being able to replace an ageing cell is definitely beneficial, but in this day and age Microsoft should really just be putting one of the charge kits in the box instead of penny pinching it as an extra purchase. Equally Sony should just solder on a connection for the Dual Shock/Sense cells and stick a plastic flap on the back. Neither doing a particularly optimal job in my opinion.

 

 

7 minutes ago, denisb said:

Is the saving on the S worth the performance hit? I’ve got PS5 and series X ordered but was thinking as I’ll only do digital on Xbox would the S be worth it

Nobody really knows as it's only been seen running in very optimised demo conditions (Gears 5 demo) but the assumption/pitch is it will still be punchy enough for a true next-gen experience at the lower resolution. I've gone for one as a Game Pass box.

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12 minutes ago, footle said:


Fail? No. Degrade to the point of awfulness, sure.
That’s what happens with batteries over seven years.

I expect the same from the Elite 2: it’s just chemistry and a function of usage/battery size.

 

Exactly and the rest of my post covers some of my past experience with battery degradation.

 

I just see a lot of mentions about battery failing in dual shock controllers, which really paints a striking image of it not working at all or that it happens so often that it is a widespread issue. While some may degrade to become awful i've yet to experience anything even less than a 2.5-3hr charge time. Unlike my 360 play and charge battery which was easily 1.5hrs at best when it was needing replaced. 

 

Again all of the above is my experience not reflective of the wider communities.

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9 minutes ago, denisb said:

Is the saving on the S worth the performance hit? I’ve got PS5 and series X ordered but was thinking as I’ll only do digital on Xbox would the S be worth it

 

I'm torn on the S, I think it is fantastic value for money but the size of the SSD is the concern for many i'd assume.

 

If for any reason you feel the need to expand on the storage i'd personally opt for the Series X (providing you are happy with it's form factor). You gain in so many ways, double the storage size being the most immediately beneficial one. Of course an S with the expanded SSD would net you a further 500gb but is that really worth £20 more than having an X? For me that is an easy no.

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