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11 minutes ago, Qazimod said:

 

This is the full quote verbatim, but he fluffed a few console names during his comment - see my bold suggestions:

 

 

 

What an idiot - the Series S is significantly more powerful than the One X, because it isn't gimped by a terrible CPU.

 

It does have 2GB less RAM though, which is a slight downgrade if you want 4k textures I guess.

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9 hours ago, gratuitous sax said:


Me three, but now have a Series S on the way! First MS console since the original 360. Don’t have a 4K tv yet and mainly buying for Gamepass.

 

This is me. I had absolutely no intention of buying a next gem console, but the price of series S plus gamepass seems ridiculous value. Also I only bought my tv to play the 360 on over 10 years ago, and it still works excellently, so I’m glad to not spend money on 4K I’ll never see.

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HarryBizzle

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25 minutes ago, Isaac said:

 

What an idiot - the Series S is significantly more powerful than the One X, because it isn't gimped by a terrible CPU.

 

It does have 2GB less RAM though, which is a slight downgrade if you want 4k textures I guess.


I mean more than that, his line of thinking seems to be “I’ve been burned by Microsoft because I’m happy with the console I currently have and don’t know which upgrade I should buy right now for when they stop supporting games on it at some time in the future.”

 

He should have stopped talking after “I should just stay with One X.”

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43 minutes ago, Qazimod said:

I haven't been involved in the Xbox discussions on this podcast because I've been away for a few weeks, but I actually feel a bit burned by Microsoft because I actually feel like: when you've got an Xbox One X which I think is a very capable console; it's quiet, it's quick, it's all of these things and I'm really happy with it...the Xbox One S (Series S?) does not feel like an upgrade and the Xbox One X (Series X?) feels like too much of an upgrade, and I feel like I'm in this weird wasteland created by Microsoft's own bad decisions for the last seven years where I don't really understand where to go now (if I want) to stay with Xbox. What I should do is just stay with Xbox One X but I know for a fact that they're going to stop supporting One X at some arbitrary point in the future and continue to support Xbox One S (Series S?) even though they're basically as powerful as each other just because that's their strategy. So I'm definitely all in on Game Pass despite the lack of ownership but I'm mighty tempted by that discless PS4 (PS5?) because that price point looks good to me with or without the ownership part of it

 

Quite apart from the stupid "too much of an upgrade" comment, I think this illustrates how much of a shift MS' strategy is from what we've all been used to for the past 40 years, and how some people are struggling to get their heads round it.

 

As console gamers we've been conditioned to buy a completely new box because it plays brand new games that the old one can't, both because they're not written for the old console and because the old console isn't powerful enough or doesn't have the features to support it. Then over the last couple of decades there's been a growing demand/expectation of some degree of back compatibility so we can continue to play our old games on the new box. All very neat and simple.

 

But Microsoft are deliberately, explicitly blurring the lines between console generations, so that the new boxes aren't completely different from the old ones (but might play some of the old games if you're lucky) but simply incremental iterations of the same platform like phone upgrades. They've stuck with similar (and therefore slightly confusing) names for this reason. X = premium, S = budget. If you own a One X then a Series S isn't really an upgrade at all, you'd effectively be moving sideways from last year's top of the range model to this years entry-level box. It might be worth upgrading to to a Series X but you don't absolutely need to any time soon because your existing box will still play all the new games. You can upgrade whenever you're ready, when you decide your old console is starting to creak a bit and the extra power of the new one is worth the outlay to improve the games you're already playing. It's basically the PC model and it's no surprise whatsoever that it's MS bringing that to the console market. It's why there's so little emphasis on the new games these consoles will play. They'll play the same games, only better (allegedly) (breakfast bag) (wi-fi).

 

Of course MS aren't going to say "here are our new and improved versions of the console you already own, upgrade in your own time, no rush," because they like money and want to shift as many as possible, as quickly as possible. And of course they want to attract new customers like me, for whom even the budget model is a huge step up. So their marketing guys launch the new range like it's a brand new line, completely different from the previous one. But that's not what the strategy guys are delivering.

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33 minutes ago, Pockets said:

I called Microsoft and spoke to one of their stoned sounding but always helpful people who couldn't see why I was having problems but put the pound through for me anyway so I'm gamepassed up for a while.

 

I have to say, on the rare occasions I've had to call Microsoft, maybe three or four times for different things, they have always been pretty good. It's one of those calls where you wonder if they'll be able to get what you mean or really do anything about it from their end but I've been pleasantly surprised every time and that's really worth something when you're tying yourself into a service for a while, which is what buying a console is these days.

 

The less said about Sony in this regard the better...


I'm sure about 50% of the calls they get are people who need help in gaming their systems by stacking Game Pass, using codes from other regions, etc. They always seem happy to help. 

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I think there is a cycle between ms and Sony, where the company on top acts  like a dick and getting usurped. the new power corrupts the new ruler and the cycle repeats. That’s happening now for Sony (rightly) being usurped by Microsoft. 
 

 At the start of last gen Microsoft got (rightly) usurped for its plans. It also loves micro transactions. 
 

I’m really excited by game pass, but I’m worried that when it puts them on top and they inevitably become awful it will pivot into what amounts to a freemium model where you pay for access as well. They'll justify that as the games as 'free' (like people do for ps+ etc) then the microtransactions are no big deal. It makes me worry about single player experiences too. Would last of us 2 be viable on game pass?  
 

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3 minutes ago, LaveDisco said:

I think there is a cycle between ms and Sony, where the company on top acts  like a dick and getting usurped. the new power corrupts the new ruler and the cycle repeats. That’s happening now for Sony (rightly) being usurped by Microsoft. 
 

 At the start of last gen Microsoft got (rightly) usurped for its plans. It also loves micro transactions. 
 

I’m really excited by game pass, but I’m worried that when it puts them on top and they inevitably become awful it will pivot into what amounts to a freemium model where you pay for access as well. They'll justify that as the games as 'free' (like people do for ps+ etc) then the microtransactions are no big deal. It makes me worry about single player experiences too. Would last of us 2 be viable on game pass?  
 

Well you don't get the dlc for the games with GamePass unless they're specifically the complete editions like FFXV, so they make their money that way if people want more out of them.

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2 hours ago, HarryBizzle said:


If anyone listens to this, I’d love to know the justification for such a stupid quote. 
 

What’s too much of an upgrade, when it costs the same as the competition?

 

I didn't listen to it, or read it, but can safely say the justification for such a stupid quote is that it came from a stupid wanker.

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40 minutes ago, Darren said:

If you own a One X then a Series S isn't really an upgrade at all, you'd effectively be moving sideways from last year's top of the range model to this years entry-level box.

 

That's nonsense though - the Series S is an overall better balanced system and significantly more powerful than the One X. The CPU upgrade is massive.

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3 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

 

I didn't listen to it, or read it, but can safely say the justification for such a stupid quote is that it came from a stupid wanker.

 

This is a much more succinct way of putting it than my wordy thesis.

 

2 minutes ago, rgraves said:

 

That's nonsense though - the Series S is significantly more powerful than the One X. The CPU upgrade is massive.

 

Is it? Oh well, so much for my theory. :D

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21 minutes ago, LaveDisco said:

I think there is a cycle between ms and Sony, where the company on top acts  like a dick and getting usurped. the new power corrupts the new ruler and the cycle repeats. That’s happening now for Sony (rightly) being usurped by Microsoft. 

 

It's funny, isn't it? They just can't seem to help themselves. I think both will have some plans for their digital only "tenants" a little way down the line. Actually, Sony are just doing it now by saying that you are paying £70 a quid a pop for their premium titles, with no option to shop around.

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6 minutes ago, LaveDisco said:

I think there is a cycle between ms and Sony, where the company on top acts  like a dick and getting usurped. the new power corrupts the new ruler and the cycle repeats. That’s happening now for Sony (rightly) being usurped by Microsoft. 
 

 At the start of last gen Microsoft got (rightly) usurped for its plans. It also loves micro transactions. 
 

I’m really excited by game pass, but I’m worried that when it puts them on top and they inevitably become awful it will pivot into what amounts to a freemium model where you pay for access as well. They'll justify that as the games as 'free' (like people do for ps+ etc) then the microtransactions are no big deal. It makes me worry about single player experiences too. Would last of us 2 be viable on game pass?  
 


I’m not really sure what Sony have done wrong to deserve this but you are correct in what you say about Gamepass.

I believe it’ll turn the game industry into something like the music industry. I see a future where barely anyone gets past the second level because they just flipped over to something else in the same way people don’t listen to albums anymore.

Gamepass comes across as a great deal and it is if your coming in fresh. Someone like myself who has a firm hold of this generations titles has already played and owns most of the decent games, the more I look into what Xbox are offering the less I can justify it for myself. It’s not yet a true Netflix of games and I don’t think a Netflix model is good for games.

LOU2 is a system seller but for Xbox the system is just a way to supply the services and the services are the system driver.

I was thinking about getting an S to dip my toe but the more I look into it the less that appeals to me personally and that’s not me trying convince myself that my purchase decision of a PS5 is clearly superior.

We had a big success in free to play games this generation which in some ways makes the subscription model look slightly odd. Maybe in the future there won’t be free to play games unless your on gamepass, who knows Microsoft could turn around and say if you want to be on our platform then you can’t be free in another console eco system.

In a lot of way this generation could be the most important in history.

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LaveDisco

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16 minutes ago, Boozy The Clown said:

They just bought Bethesda and took them out from the desperate management decisions that resulted in Fallout 76.

 

To be worrying about microtransactions and single player games is a bit silly at this point in time.

 

Which is why I've preordered an X, and I'm worrying about the future.

 

It'll be a golden age for a few years yet.

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25 minutes ago, mdn2 said:

For those looking to extend their Gamepass Ultimate subscriptions, CDKeys are selling 3 month codes for £18.99. I've just bought a couple and extended mine until Feb 2023. 

 

https://www.cdkeys.com/xbox-live/games/3-month-xbox-game-pass-ultimate-xbox-one-pc

Remind me, if I get a few of these cards then they will just resume charging me normally after the cards 'time' has been used up?

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13 minutes ago, rgraves said:

 

That's nonsense though - the Series S is an overall better balanced system and significantly more powerful than the One X. The CPU upgrade is massive.

 

But how much impact will that power have on current-gen or cross-gen games? Red Dead Redemption 2 might look better on XB1X. Prior to its full next-gen upgrade, will Cyberpunk be better on XB1X or XSS? Seems like it might be a trade-off in resolution vs other things.

 

The difference will become obvious once next-gen-only titles are released but could be less clear-cut until then.

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8 minutes ago, Steven said:

It's funny, isn't it? They just can't seem to help themselves. I think both will have some plans for their digital only "tenants" a little way down the line. Actually, Sony are just doing it now by saying that you are paying £70 a quid a pop for their premium titles, with no option to shop around.

 

I think that, based on what we have seen so far, Sony have not done anything wrong so much as MS have stolen the limelight with a £250 entry-point and buying some of the biggest western developers to be included in their Gamepass offering.

 

Sony will do fine. MS have always struggled with the Japanese market, which is pretty massive, and as such need to be more dominant in western markets to compensate. Sony will produce some of the best games of the next-gen, and the PS5 will (for me) be a much more attractive proposition when the console is available cheaper as a 'slim' model with a major newly released first-party title thrown in. Until then the PS4 will suffice - Sony have sold over 100m of the buggers and the machine will be supported for a good number of years yet.

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