Xbox Series X | S

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7 minutes ago, Ferine said:

Back in July Microsoft confirmed that they've discontinued the One X and One SADE, but that the One S would continue to be manufactured. As such I imagine that is indeed a listing for the One S, albeit probably with the newer controller packed in. I think the cost is just the current One S price, though. As in it'll probably go down once the prices for the Series line are unveiled.

 

Speaking of, one of the takeaways from that Hot Chips 2020 presentation is that the Series X is understandably expensive to make, comparatively more so than the One X which launched at £430; at best Microsoft broke even at that price. Given that they're keeping around a low-end option (One S), and will have a midrange solution (Series S) I can't see them eating a loss on the Series X: I'd definitely set aside £450+ if you're looking to buy.

And then some. The SSD will also be £££ more than the laptop style HDD in the One X.

Sony’s custom everything also isn’t going to be cheap, but perhaps their slower ram and smaller SOC and SSD (though new controller?) will help.

[SeanR]

16 minutes ago, footle said:

And then some. The SSD will also be £££ more than the laptop style HDD in the One X.

Sony’s custom everything also isn’t going to be cheap, but perhaps their slower ram and smaller SOC and SSD (though new controller?) will help.

I still think they ditched the oneX because it’s still making a loss, and will continue to do comparative to what they'll make selling the new machines at the “shiny and new” price. 
 

example:

it’s better to lose $50 of $499 than $50 of $399

[Boozy The Clown]

I've seen it reported on youtube that manufacturing the socks for the new megabox is more expensive than the cost of the entire One X including cables and pads and carboard box. 

 

Maybe they'll just put one sock in the box.

[Alex W.]

Just for clarity, I’m not suggesting that the listing is for a new One S Digital; I suspect it’s an old listing that the Walmart employee simply didn’t notice before.
 

Is the PS5 any more custom than the Series X? The only big customisations I can think of are the fancy storage controller and power management. And it’s not like the Series X doesn’t have its own bespoke data transfer hardware in there.

 

(Conversely I think the SSD is probably going to cost more than the one in the Series X, even with its slightly smaller size. It sounded like they were using bleeding-edge flash chips.)

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7 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

Just for clarity, I’m not suggesting that the listing is for a new One S Digital; I suspect it’s an old listing that the Walmart employee simply didn’t notice before.
 

Is the PS5 any more custom than the Series X? The only big customisations I can think of are the fancy storage controller and power management. And it’s not like the Series X doesn’t have its own bespoke data transfer hardware in there.

 

Not really, they're both reasonably custom with the possible exception of the Series X SSD (and possibly fans, power supplies?). But then to get costs down over the long term they need to be.

[Alex W.]

This sounds daft but I’m really curious what the PS5 cooler is going to be like. MS has always used these PC style fans that are a solved problem in terms of reliability and noise, and the Series X design with the one big slow fan on the end is just nice. The PS5’s flat design probably means another PlayStation with a centrifugal fan near the front pushing air out the back but I’m ready to be surprised.

[gooner4life]

The PS3 was super silent compared to the 360, the PS4 is the first Sony console I've had that's noisy, I'm hoping for a quiet PS5.

[mdn2]

A look at the dashboard. Seems quick. 

[djbhammer]

Full details:

 

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/08/19/building-a-new-connected-xbox-digital-experience/

[Corranga]

7 hours ago, Isaac said:

 

Nah, they are pushing a digital subscription service, not digital purchases. 

 

The argument for budget gamers is subscribe for £8.99 a month to get access to over 200 games.

 

I completely understand that, but from a marketing perspective, for parents, and the usual "I buy games in GAME / Tesco / Asda / Cash Converters and sell on / trade when I'm done" group, which I'm fairly sure is still a big thing, will need some very clever marketing to get around, especially as they won't be able to play their favourite COD disc in it.

 

Put another way, having a thing you call a budget solution doesn't necessarily mean it's a budget solution, nor that it'll be accepted by the buying public as one.

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5 minutes ago, Freeman said:

 

I completely understand that, but from a marketing perspective, for parents, and the usual "I buy games in GAME / Tesco / Asda / Cash Converters and sell on / trade when I'm done" group, which I'm fairly sure is still a big thing, will need some very clever marketing to get around, especially as they won't be able to play their favourite COD disc in it.

 

Put another way, having a thing you call a budget solution doesn't necessarily mean it's a budget solution, nor that it'll be accepted by the buying public as one.

 

They can always buy the full fat PS5 for £600 or whatever. What is "budget" depends on what the competition is.

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14 minutes ago, djbhammer said:

Full details:

 

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/08/19/building-a-new-connected-xbox-digital-experience/

 

UI/UX folk talking about their experiences really don't sell this stuff to me. "Is it fast?" - "who knows, here are some powerpoint slides animated in a video".

[Hello Goaty ♥]

I'm very interested in this Series S' thingy.  Are the mock ups actually mock ups? or the real design?

 

I mean... this IS pretty nice even for a mock up

 

 

[Count Buffalos]

It’s rumoured to look like the One X isn’t it?

[Marlew]

I want to sit on that pouf. 

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2 minutes ago, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

I'm very interested in this Series S' thingy.  Are the mock ups actually mock ups? or the real design?

 

I mean... this IS pretty nice even for a mock up

 

 

 

It's a fake. But it'd be nice, wouldn't it?

[It actually has the same dimension disadvantages as a Series X - it's the cross section that makes it too big for many AV setups. Rumour is that you hide a Series S inside a previous devkit casing, so it'd be more normally shaped]

[fattakin]

Surprised they showed a clip of Halo in there   but a new iphone app would be nice as the current one is slow compared to Sony's offering. 

[fattakin]

7 minutes ago, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

I'm very interested in this Series S' thingy.  Are the mock ups actually mock ups? or the real design?

 

I mean... this IS pretty nice even for a mock up

 

 

 

Its lovely, proper baby brother. 

[Hello Goaty ♥]

..and in 1080p i bet it would still be amazing!

[JPL]

54 minutes ago, mdn2 said:

A look at the dashboard. Seems quick. 

Frodo’s let himself go.

[FiveFootNinja]

I didn't realise Elijah Wood worked for Xbox now.

[Hello Goaty ♥]

Its the lovechild of Toby Maguire and Elijah Wood

 

Voila

 

 

[spanx]

I love that Series S mock up - I know it’s not going to look like that but I’d be well up for that design. 
 

 

[Alex W.]

Some unintentional comedy there with them cutting from "WELCOMING" to "the people we meet while playing these games", or talking about "a sick gameplay video" over one of the ugliest parts of the Halo Infinite demo, but being able to export clips and screenshots directly to your phone and use that to post to social media is something that's been sorely needed.

 

I imagine (hope?) Series S will be a design for those of us whose entertainment centres can't physically accommodate a console that's 6 inches tall on its narrowest dimension.

[Hello Goaty ♥]

2 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

 

 

I imagine (hope?) Series S will be a design for those of us whose entertainment centres can't physically accommodate a console that's 6 inches tall on its narrowest dimension.

 

I hope its just something i can whack into a normal computer monitor and just.....Play the goddamn games.

 

this new Xbox series X thing is not about 4K films or Netflix to ME. Completely the wrong selling point for a gamer IMO. 

4K  Gaming of course, bring it on if its what you need.

[Alex W.]

Okay?

 

Edit - Not that I don't dig the enthusiasm.

[Hello Goaty ♥]

Perfectly ok    if i can get fun from a Nintendo switch screen, then the sky's the limit

[JPL]

5 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

Some unintentional comedy there with them cutting from "WELCOMING" to "the people we meet while playing these games", or talking about "a sick gameplay video" over one of the ugliest parts of the Halo Infinite demo, but being able to export clips and screenshots directly to your phone and use that to post to social media is something that's been sorely needed.

 

I imagine (hope?) Series S will be a design for those of us whose entertainment centres can't physically accommodate a console that's 6 inches tall on its narrowest dimension.

I wonder if it’ll be half the width of the Series X, as opposed to half the height? I think it still needs to follow the same design language, so it feels part of the same family.

[FiveFootNinja]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was basically like this with bigger vent detailing on top to nod to the Series X. It's not a million miles off the design language as it it (and in my opinion one of the better looking modern consoles)...

 

[Alex W.]

Maybe if they just took off the little "platform" section underneath and painted some green dots underneath the top vents. It'd be really sleek if it was just this matte white slab.