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Jg15

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16 minutes ago, Clipper said:

Woah woah woah

 

The delightfully insane D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die would like a word :D

 

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EDIT - you might still be right - D4 could be played with a controller so maybe it will be compatible?

 

I intend to revisit this game, havent played it in many years. I remember getting to a bit on a plane featuring a whacky set of passengers, true SWERY classic. It was also one of the very few games where Kinect worked quite well but it does support controllers as well.

 

In terms of actual Kinect only games there can't be that many outside of the fitness, dance and that god awful fighting game.

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MikeBeaver

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9 minutes ago, footle said:

You couldn’t use a Kinect on a One X without paying a huge amount for an adaptor.

 

Or got one for free from M$ when upgrading from a VCR to the One S / X.

 

  

5 minutes ago, Jg15 said:

I intend to revisit this game, havent played it in many years. I remember getting to a bit on a plane featuring a whacky set of passengers, true SWERY classic. It was also one of the very few games where Kinect worked quite well but it does support controllers as well.

 

In terms of actual Kinect only games there can't be that many outside of the fitness, dance and that god awful fighting game.

 

The Fantasia game is actually good fun, that will be the one thing from Kinect I miss, not that it gets played much.

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Mr. Gerbik

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39 minutes ago, bear said:

Was the problem inventing Kinect or was it not making sure there was going to be enough games out there that took advantage of Kinect? Dance Central was probably the best game on the original Kinect but the Xboxone version didn't come out until 10 months after launch. What sort of planning was that? 

 

Looking back, the main launch concepts of the Xboxone feel like a bunch of potentially good ideas but they never put enough resources into any one of them. 

Nah, more resources would have resulted in better production values. Prettier games. It wouldn't have solved the limitations of Kinect. Good for dance and fitness games and anything adjacent, less so for anything else. More resources wouldn't have made Kinect miraculously more precise or anything. It's telling that the Double Fine Happy Theater game worked so well because it assumed it wasn't going to work well. As soon as you tried something like Steel Battalion or Fable or some fighting game, it was fun as a gimmick but inherently too wonky as a main control method for games.

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Alex W.

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54 minutes ago, Wahwah* said:

 

I blame the Wii. Truly the greatest evil.


The Wii basically paved the way for today’s VR controllers, and gyro aiming, and so on. It had controllers! Kinect’s big mistake was failing to understand that humans don’t do things like sports and shooting and puppeteering with empty hands. That’s why dancing games actually did OK, it was the one thing where Kinect actually mapped on to a real activity.

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40 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

 

I love that bit. No long winded blather about how much they love kinect and know how much some people out there love it, how it's really hard or any other stupid explanation. Just nice and clear, no way for it to be misinterpreted - it doesn't work.

 

Meanwhile yesterday, I think Geoff managed to get exactly zero concise or clear answers out of Marketing Drone #2688 about the PS5 controller yesterday.

Yep Phil Spencer is a class act and if he is deliberately vague it’s usually just an honest answer about stuff they hadn’t yet fully worked out themselves, smart delivery for example. 
 

I really hope all the amazing work we’ve seen on the hardware front, backwards compatibility, Game Pass etc etc also translates into some amazing games too with him at the helm. Guess we’ll start getting some answers next week. 

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CarloOos

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I thought Kinect was fucking rubbish but I do wonder how many of the people who slated it for privacy reasons now own Echo Dots or similar. See also: slated MS for planning to move away from physical media, now considering a digital only PS5. The launch was a disaster for a myriad of reasons, but as two of the largest causes of outrage it seems like MS were just ahead of the curve.

 

Also the management had dreadful messaging, were clearly caught off guard by Sony and weren't prepared, the launch OS was abysmal. If they'd had someone like Spencer in charge at the time, I bet BC would have been in at day one and their digital platform would have made more sense.

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The Xbox One launch disaster also has its background in MS seeing that the most used software on 360 was stuff like YouTube and Netflix - i.e. not games.

 

They took this data at face value and just went all in on it for the Xbox One reveal - not realizing TVs in a few years would be coming with things like Netflix and YouTube built in, rendering spending $500 on a seperate box to run these platforms pointless.

 

I wonder if the fact Sony actually make TVs meant they could see this coming and avoid a similar mistake.

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Even supposing they'd been right and smart TVs hadn't come along, a $500 streaming box would've still been laughable. If you wanted streaming video but no PVR and no tuner, you could buy a Roku for like $50 there and then.

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1 hour ago, moosegrinder said:

So what do we think to MS doing away with 12 months subs?

 

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-07-18-12-month-xbox-live-gold-subscriptions-have-been-quietly-withdrawn-by-microsoft

 

Irrelevant? Sign of change? Something else?

Not sure where this should go, with Game Pass or Xbox One or in here or...

 

My recommendation is to do what I did. Buy annual Gold now, top up to max 3 years where poss and convert to Ultimate via £1 offer while you still can. Your gold membership basically becomes Ultimate for the duration. 12 month still available online from

sites (sub £40 too, ShopTo for example) but doubt for much longer. Can’t stress how good an outcome this is. 3 years Ultimate is £396 at normal monthly rate. With this method, save loads. 

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39 minutes ago, Wahwah* said:

I saw something about this on twitter and had a quick search to see what stock was like, seems like we've probably missed it. 

 

I expect it means that at some point everyone will need to pay monthly - no annual, 6 or 3 month codes. 

 

Might be wise to top up now. 


I wonder whether they’re just going to can live. They could plan their revenue streams around it, and Sony probably aren’t planning to can Plus.

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Can Live Gold, give 2 optiona. Gamepass or free online play, simple marketing message, and another plus point for the Series X?

 

 I wonder if we’ll then see Game pass timed exclusives over physical releases to entice even more folk in.


 Whatever happens, I think they are going all in on game pass.

 

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It’s exciting, and I think they are doing a great job with how consumer friendly they are being this time round. I switched from 360 to PS4 last time round, mostly due to no back-compat, price, and the always-online debacle. While those have been rectified, it was too late for me. They’re doing a great job this time of laying out all the options and there really seems to be something for every price point. 
 

I still think Sony have a chance of taking an early lead if they have some good exclusives in the first year that really show off PS5. But they need to come out strong with some pro-consumer stuff as they are already losing that battle to Microsoft. 

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Mr. Gerbik

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48 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

Imagine if they announce Gold is being discontinued as a requirement and all pending Gold subs will turn in to MS store credit. People with £120 of MS DOSh.

Nah, my guess is that anyone who's still on Gold instead of Game Pass, will find their remaining sub automatically converted to Ultimate for the same duration.

 

Anyone here who's still on Gold but not Ultimate, and you haven't done the £1 conversion before - DO IT NOW. (If you can still find 3 years gold cheap)

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2 hours ago, Alex W. said:

Imagine if they announce Gold is being discontinued as a requirement and all pending Gold subs will turn in to MS store credit. People with £120 of MS DOSh.

They've done better than that with the ultimate for a pound switch deal (based on 1 month at £12)

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Yeah, it's more likely we're going Games Pass or Ultimate. I don't think they'll just ditch 12 month Live. Everything else they sell is 1 month or 12 months. Ditching Live for online would be another welcomed change. 

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1 hour ago, TehStu said:

Yeah, it's more likely we're going Games Pass or Ultimate. I don't think they'll just ditch 12 month Live. Everything else they sell is 1 month or 12 months. Ditching Live for online would be another welcomed change. 

They have removed 12

month gold sub from the store. I can’t see them bringing it back, otherwise why remove it in the first place.

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Sorry, I meant I don't think they'd specifically ditch just 12 month Live, given they usually sell in 1 or 12 month increments for all their services, across the company. I think they're limiting what you can buy for to an impending change, perhaps ditching Live subs entirely. Unless this is a miserly attempt at either A) getting people on the more expensive Game Pass or B) making us pay more, effectively, for just Live. 

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11 hours ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

Nah, more resources would have resulted in better production values. Prettier games. It wouldn't have solved the limitations of Kinect. Good for dance and fitness games and anything adjacent, less so for anything else. More resources wouldn't have made Kinect miraculously more precise or anything. It's telling that the Double Fine Happy Theater game worked so well because it assumed it wasn't going to work well. As soon as you tried something like Steel Battalion or Fable or some fighting game, it was fun as a gimmick but inherently too wonky as a main control method for games.

 

Trying to find different ways the Kinect could be used (beyond dance and fitness games) was about as successful as trying to describe how having fast SSD's is going to give us totally new ways to game.

 

I liked it most for it's voice integration into the OS eventually.  I hope that's integrated into the controllers going forward.  Linking to Home assistants is too clunky as you have to identify WHICH xbox or Ps4 you're taking about and it's not as reliable as it was on Kinect for me.

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CarloOos

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1 hour ago, Wahwah* said:

The guy who posted this is now saying he's had death threats to both him and his family.

 

For fuck's sake. 

 

 


A bunch of people in the replies to this referring to ‘ponies’... is that some sort of slang for Sony fanboys? I’ve literally never heard it before.

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Charliemouse

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54 minutes ago, moosegrinder said:

Yeah, Urban Dictionary definition is from 2013

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sony+pony&amp=true

 

Although that does seem like it's written by their MS opposite number.

 

They're fucking pathetic whoever they are. And they usually have anime avatars which they REALLY don't like you pointing out.

Almost everyone with an anime avatar for anything, is a total and utter cunt.

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