Xbox Series X | S

[Clipper]

they could just change the sticker so that instead of reading "Optimised for Series X" it reads "Costs $10 more on Series X" or "Dumb Delivery"

 

[Alex W.]

3 minutes ago, Down by Law said:

 

 

Non trolling (i never was) but they really should remove the Optimised for Series X sticker from this cover. If this is the version exclusively for Series X then what's the point of a sticker that gives the impression it would work on older Xbox models ?

I guess they wanted to account for the possibility that someone might release separate Xbox One and Series X versions that nevertheless ran identically.

[T Pot]

36 minutes ago, SeanR said:

trying to think of third-party exclusives:

 

what will be the first game to push the series X without having to worry about any kind of parity with a PS5 version?

 

you know, really allow the devs to stretch their legs. AND leave the current gem for dust...

 

Something indie?

 

 

 

 

Scorn.

 

PC & Series X only

 

 

[djbhammer]

Geez, wish I never uploaded the box art now reading some of the replies.     In other news, 9 days to go.    

[SeanR]

Just now, Clipper said:

they could just change the sticker so that instead of reading "Optimised for Series X" it reads "Costs $10 more on Series X"

 

[Clipper]

It amuses me that the game that wants to milk you dry with microtransactions pulls this shit to get an extra $10 and possibly annoy grandparents everywhere.

[SeanR]

2 minutes ago, Mr Tony said:

 

Scorn.

 

PC & Series X only

 

 

 

 

Gigeresque!

[JPL]

42 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Thank you, I know some have already stated they will do it, CD Projekt Red with Cyberpunk for example.

Nah, that’s a current gen game that’s going to have a few dials turned up on next gen, not a next gen game that also works on current gen.

[Popo]

28 minutes ago, rafaqat said:

 

Even more raytracing, 13.24Tflops of power and the tears of a Playstation fanboy?

Water cooling confirmed. 

[Stanley]

10 minutes ago, JPL said:

Nah, that’s a current gen game that’s going to have a few dials turned up on next gen, not a next gen game that also works on current gen.

It’s being released at the same time as the console though, so it might as well be a launch game. 

[monkeydog]

47 minutes ago, SeanR said:

trying to think of third-party exclusives:

 

what will be the first game to push the series X without having to worry about any kind of parity with a PS5 version?

 

you know, really allow the devs to stretch their legs. AND leave the current gem for dust...

 

Something indie?

 

 

 

 

Literally nothing.    The power/feature gap between the two systems is less than between the X1S and PS4.  It doesn't enable fundamentally different graphics.  Anything the XBX can do the PS5 can do at 80% of the resolution. 

 

The real differences between the two systems will be either talented developers, lavish budgets or a combination of both.

 

 

[Transient Curse]

15 minutes ago, monkeydog said:

 

Literally nothing.    The power/feature gap between the two systems is less than between the X1S and PS4.  It doesn't enable fundamentally different graphics.  Anything the XBX can do the PS5 can do at 80% of the resolution. 

 

The real differences between the two systems will be either talented developers, lavish budgets or a combination of both.

 

 

[SeanR]

24 minutes ago, monkeydog said:

 

Literally nothing.    The power/feature gap between the two systems is less than between the X1S and PS4.  It doesn't enable fundamentally different graphics.  Anything the XBX can do the PS5 can do at 80% of the resolution. 

 

The real differences between the two systems will be either talented developers, lavish budgets or a combination of both.

 

 

Ok, so if it does it at 80% of the price too...

 

[monkeydog]

Just now, SeanR said:

Ok, so if it does it at 80% of the price too...

 

 

Nah. The shipping adds 40% to the cost.

[Mogster]

1 hour ago, JPL said:

Nah, that’s a current gen game that’s going to have a few dials turned up on next gen, not a next gen game that also works on current gen.

 

What makes a game "next-gen" then? I'd argue that if The Last Of Us had launched exclusively with its PS4 version nobody would have questioned its next-gen status, and the Switch version of The Witcher 3 hasn't somehow undone its current-gen status. 

 

Current gen games with a few dials turned up is basically the definition of next-gen for the most part, aside from the rare exceptions where a game makes use of some kind of unique hardware.

[footle]

31 minutes ago, monkeydog said:

 

Literally nothing.    The power/feature gap between the two systems is less than between the X1S and PS4.  It doesn't enable fundamentally different graphics.  Anything the XBX can do the PS5 can do at 80% of the resolution. 

 

The real differences between the two systems will be either talented developers, lavish budgets or a combination of both.

 

 

Yep.

the only interesting bits will be whether the clock frequencies or wider parallel scaling have more of an influence in the edge cases (eg. ray tracing resolution). 80% of resolution: meh at 4kish.

[JPL]

57 minutes ago, Stanley said:

It’s being released at the same time as the console though, so it might as well be a launch game. 

It is, but I thought you were initially asking if any third parties had agreed to support the current gen going forward? Cyberpunk was always designed with the current gen in mind as its primary platform, it’s just a nice bonus that we’ll get a souped up version for free on next gen.

 

To be honest, I think most third parties that are starting development now will only be targeting the next gen consoles.

[JPL]

21 minutes ago, Mogster said:

 

What makes a game "next-gen" then? I'd argue that if The Last Of Us had launched exclusively with its PS4 version nobody would have questioned its next-gen status, and the Switch version of The Witcher 3 hasn't somehow undone its current-gen status. 

 

Current gen games with a few dials turned up is basically the definition of next-gen for the most part, aside from the rare exceptions where a game makes use of some kind of unique hardware.

I’d say use of the new SSD features would make a game next gen and it’d be developed with that in mind.

[Transient Curse]

2 minutes ago, JPL said:

It is, but I thought you were initially asking if any third parties had agreed to support the current gen going forward? Cyberpunk was always designed with the current gen in mind as its primary platform, it’s just a nice bonus that we’ll get a souped up version for free on next gen.

 

To be honest, I think most third parties that are starting development now will only be targeting the next gen consoles.

 

Interesting that you think it's targeted current gen specs. The impression that I got, based on the reveals was that it was always targeting higher spec PCs and that the current gen would be scraping by. I'll be interested to see how it looks when it arrives, but I would be surprised if it doesn't look significantly downgraded from  the videos we've seen (to be fair, much like the majority of stuff that comes out of E3) when the current gen versions ship. 

[JPL]

1 minute ago, Wahwah* said:

 

Interesting that you think it's targeted current gen specs. The impression that I got, based on the reveals was that it was always targeting higher spec PCs and that the current gen would be scraping by. I'll be interested to see how it looks when it arrives, but I would be surprised if it doesn't look significantly downgraded from  the videos we've seen (to be fair, much like the majority of stuff that comes out of E3) when the current gen versions ship. 

See my post above.

 

Maybe targeted was the wrong word, but it wasn’t developed with the new super fast SSDs in mind.

[Transient Curse]

12 minutes ago, JPL said:

See my post above.

 

Maybe targeted was the wrong word, but it wasn’t developed with the new super fast SSDs in mind.

 

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if they make much difference, I'm not convinced at the moment, if it's just loading times then I'm not so bothered (though I'd welcome the improvements) but if it means that all the power goes into generating what you see and when you change perspective it can near instantly generate new terrain or whatever (I'm guessing obviously) then that would be interesting to see. 

 

I'm fairly skeptical nonetheless as SSD's (even really fast ones) have been around for years now and surely most gaming pcs have one - is there a title that demonstrates how important it could be? - Genuine question.

 

I expect that it'll be a couple of years before we see the good stuff as usual. 

[JPL]

4 minutes ago, Wahwah* said:

I'm fairly skeptical nonetheless as SSD's (even really fast ones) have been around for years now and surely most gaming pcs have one - is there a title that demonstrates how important it could be? - Genuine question.

 

I expect that it'll be a couple of years before we see the good stuff as usual. 

Did you see the Ratchet & Clank demo? That showed it off quite well, with the portal skipping into new worlds.

 

You're right though, it’ll be a couple of years before we really see what kind of gameplay differences it makes, if any.

[Transient Curse]

54 minutes ago, JPL said:

Did you see the Ratchet & Clank demo? That showed it off quite well, with the portal skipping into new worlds.

 

You're right though, it’ll be a couple of years before we really see what kind of gameplay differences it makes, if any.

 

Nice, sounds like the approach Nintendo took/takes - here's a new feature, make a game to use it. 

 

EDIT: I mean that in a good way, in case it reads differently. E.G. how the N64 stick and Mario64 were a synergy of hardware and software. 

[ThePixelbarks]

How many pages has this gone on for today? I'm finding this argument to be completely disengenous to the point of near fanboy-baiting.

[Mogster]

2 minutes ago, JPL said:

I’d say use of the new SSD features would make a game next gen and it’d be developed with that in mind.

I think you'll be disappointed if you're expecting too much from the SSDs. You'll see the odd exclusive using it for something like Ratchet and Clank's instant dimension hopping, but it's mostly just marketing. You're not going to see multiformat games suddenly requiring SSDs on PCs for instance, even if they recommend them.

 

More to the point, requiring that all next gen games include a feature that could only be achieved with an SSD would make for a very limited selection of games worthy of the term. If you can get away with longer load times, lower draw distance, texture pop-in or whatever to get by, then games will run on slower drives just fine.

[rafaqat]

30 minutes ago, ThePixelbarks said:

How many pages has this gone on for today? I'm finding this argument to be completely disengenous to the point of near fanboy-baiting.

 

I remember JPL got a 24 hour ban for less than this in the PS5 thread.

[JPL]

9 minutes ago, rafaqat said:

 

I remember JPL got a 24 hour ban for less than this in the PS5 thread.

Woah, hold your horses. I don't want another!

[Hitcher]

2 hours ago, Stanley said:

It’s being released at the same time as the console though, so it might as well be a launch game. 

No it's not; it's coming later.

 

EDIT: The Series X version.

[TehStu]

6 hours ago, Down by Law said:

The difference being that apart from the Pro, the slim models replaced the originals that had been out for years.

Like the One S replaced the One, etc. Even if slim wasn't the official name, go search for it - plenty of retailers label it as such. 

 

Does anyone think you'll genuinely have to brief grandparents on whether to buy a One, One S, One X, Series S, or Series X console come later this year? It'll all speak for itself. And there's literally no "grandpa bought me the One S, doh" use case mentioned elsewhere in this thread, because it's all the same thing and pulls the relevant assets for you. 

 

This is perceived nonsense, just like the PS5 design. I get this is par for the course in hardware threads. 

[Transient Curse]

3 hours ago, Mike S said:

 

And that, in a nutshell, is everything that is wrong with it from a marketing perspective.

 

I'd argue that only a very small subset of people will have to be told "this is the new one" of course we will have to wait and see. 

 

"Xbox One X sells record numbers the week of Xbox Series X's release. Confused shoppers grab bargain machines in error"

 

It may or may not be hard to grasp the intricacies of the name but as noted repeatedly, people manage to buy the right computer, television and phone without error. For that reason, if this is the greatest marketing blunder they make this time around then they are light years ahead of where they were at this point in the previous gen.