DC Megathread

[Nick R]

1 hour ago, makkuwata said:

Which one is cancelled, Guggenheim or Berlanti!?

 

Neither of them - that was Andrew Kreisberg:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Kreisberg

[Nick R]

Superman: Legacy has a director.

 

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I lost my Dad almost three years ago. He was my best friend. He didn’t understand me as a kid, but he supported my love of comics and my love of film and I wouldn’t be making this movie now without him.

 

It has been a long road to this point. I was offered Superman years ago - I initially said no because I didn’t have a way in that felt unique and fun and emotional that gave Superman the dignity he deserved.

 

Then a bit less than a year ago I saw a way in, in many ways centering around Superman’s heritage - how both his aristocratic Kryptonian parents and his Kansas farmer parents inform who he is and the choices he makes.

 

So I chose to finally take on writing the script. But I was hesitant to direct, despite the constant pestering by Peter Safran and others to commit (sorry, Peter).

 

Just because I write something doesn’t mean I feel it in my bones, visually and emotionally, enough to spend over two years directing it, especially not something of this magnitude.

 

But, the long and the short of it is, I love this script, and I’m incredibly excited as we begin this journey. #UpUpandAway

 

Personally I think he's just doing this so he can have Super and Superman sitting alongside each other in his filmography. Like Nolan has with Insomnia/Inception/Interstellar.

[Broker]

God damn, I am so excited. I absolutely love Superman, and despite people saying he’s boring I think he’s just really, really hard to write well. But when someone does it well, there’s genuinely nothing like it. After Guardians and The Suicide Squad, I’m really hyped to see where he takes this.

 

I loved the 1978 movie as a kid. I was so excited for Superman Returns that when I was sat in the cinema and the John Williams score started playing I cried. I don’t think I’ve ever been as disappointed by a film as I was by Man of Steel (maybe Prometheus). I just want a big, beautiful, heartfelt, optimistic, kind movie that radiates love and positivity. I hope he uses the Williams theme. 

[monkeydog]

12 minutes ago, Broker said:

I hope he uses the Williams theme. 

 

When I watched Superman Returns a couple of teenagers in the cinema started sniggering during the opening credits.  "It's like shit Star Wars".  

 

While I feel like they should have been taken out and beaten to death, I do empathise a little.  When I saw the 1978 Superman for the first time as a kid it sounded like budget Star Wars to me as well.  These days I can't separate it from my fondness for the film.

 

I wonder, if your first experience of Star Wars is after Superman, does it's theme sound like a rip off? 

[Alex W.]

They sound completely different, one goes 

 

Baaaa ba ba ba ba, Super-man!

 

The other one goes

 

Staaaar Wars, na na na Star Wars, na na na Star Wars, Wars in the Stars!

[JamesC]

Get ready for badass, wisecracking Superman who listens to 00's pop-punk.

[Sexton Hardcastle]

why?

[Broker]

4 hours ago, monkeydog said:

 

When I watched Superman Returns a couple of teenagers in the cinema started sniggering during the opening credits.  "It's like shit Star Wars".  

 

While I feel like they should have been taken out and beaten to death, I do empathise a little.  When I saw the 1978 Superman for the first time as a kid it sounded like budget Star Wars to me as well.  These days I can't separate it from my fondness for the film.

 

I wonder, if your first experience of Star Wars is after Superman, does it's theme sound like a rip off? 

I saw Star Wars after Superman, and I don’t really recall thinking they were that similar, but I do have a good ear for a melody so maybe I was like that even as a child.

 

I am definitely far more fond of Superman and Indy’s themes than Star Wars’ though so maybe you just love your first John Williams score the most. 

[Hexx]

22 hours ago, Broker said:

God damn, I am so excited. I absolutely love Superman, and despite people saying he’s boring I think he’s just really, really hard to write well. But when someone does it well, there’s genuinely nothing like it. After Guardians and The Suicide Squad, I’m really hyped to see where he takes this.

 

I loved the 1978 movie as a kid. I was so excited for Superman Returns that when I was sat in the cinema and the John Williams score started playing I cried. I don’t think I’ve ever been as disappointed by a film as I was by Man of Steel (maybe Prometheus). I just want a big, beautiful, heartfelt, optimistic, kind movie that radiates love and positivity. I hope he uses the Williams theme. 

 

Have you been watching Superman and Lois?

[Broker]

6 hours ago, Hexx said:

 

Have you been watching Superman and Lois?

Yeah I love it. Honestly just that with a movie budget would make me very happy. 

[JohnC]

Mike Flanagan is pitching a Clayface movie to them.

 

https://deadline.com/2023/03/clayface-movie-mike-flanagan-warner-bros-1235312906/

[Big_H]

On 16/03/2023 at 12:32, Alex W. said:

They sound completely different, one goes 

 

Baaaa ba ba ba ba, Super-man!

 

The other one goes

 

Staaaar Wars, na na na Star Wars, na na na Star Wars, Wars in the Stars!

 

I'm pulling a brain fart and just can't recall how the Star Wars theme goes. I'm singing these words to what I think might be the Police Academy theme.

[cassidy]

Time for everyone to fall in love with Jaime as the Blue Beetle. 

 

Looks fun 

 

 

[makkuwata]

Probably deserves it’s own thread, like Black Adam ()

 

The practical suit looks incredible.

[JamesC]

I think this should be pretty good fun, even if the character does feel rather cynically created to be Spider-Man x Iron Man.
I wonder if this will feature a Ted Kord Blue Beetle cameo. Ted Kord was a cool dude. 

[George Clooney]

The rumour mill is now saying that Gunn is looking to a Guardians cast member to take the role of Luthor.  Without knowing the details of what this Luthor will be like, it’s hard to really narrow it down from that (plus the GotG films cover a lot of actors).

 

One suggestion I saw was Bautista….which I actually would be interested in seeing how that turned out.  Someone also mentioned that they’ve had a Lex in GotG - Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville.  Who I thought was really good as Lex, at least in the seasons I watched.

 

The same rumour mill also suggests that the current faves for Lois are Rachel Brosnahan, Emma Mackay and Samara Weaving.  The only thing Gunn has confirmed is that only one person has been cast and it’s not for any of the main players you’d think of in a superman film.

[Festoon]

1 hour ago, George Clooney said:

The rumour mill is now saying that Gunn is looking to a Guardians cast member to take the role of Luthor.  Without knowing the details of what this Luthor will be like, it’s hard to really narrow it down from that (plus the GotG films cover a lot of actors).

 

One suggestion I saw was Bautista….which I actually would be interested in seeing how that turned out.  Someone also mentioned that they’ve had a Lex in GotG - Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville.  Who I thought was really good as Lex, at least in the seasons I watched.

 

The same rumour mill also suggests that the current faves for Lois are Rachel Brosnahan, Emma Mackay and Samara Weaving.  The only thing Gunn has confirmed is that only one person has been cast and it’s not for any of the main players you’d think of in a superman film.

 

Beppo.

[makkuwata]

The dog. He’s cast the dog.

 

I hadn’t considered the Rosenbaum connection, he’ll have to show up in the tradition of DC legacy actors. Can’t see him being Luthor though, as much as I’d love that.

[Festoon]

5 minutes ago, makkuwata said:

The dog. He’s cast the dog.

 

I hadn’t considered the Rosenbaum connection, he’ll have to show up in the tradition of DC legacy actors. Can’t see him being Luthor though, as much as I’d love that.

 

He's pals with Gunn so he'll get a Fillion style cameo.

[LaveDisco]

On 16/03/2023 at 12:02, Broker said:

God damn, I am so excited. I absolutely love Superman, and despite people saying he’s boring I think he’s just really, really hard to write well. But when someone does it well, there’s genuinely nothing like it.

 

I've got this pet theory, that each countries biggest superhero fundamentally defines their international policy, and I think it explains why Superman is hard to write for. Because he's not the Hero is his own story.

 

For example the United Kingdom's biggest superhero is obviously The Doctor, and he represents the smart English gentleman, rocking up in some uncivilised, or problematic world, and bringing light and reason to then with his wisdom, and higher, more civilised ways. He then leaves, with them fundamentally changed, and on to the next story. Or to put it another way each episode is the optimists dream of the sis and fall of British colonialism.

 

America has Superman, and he represents how every can stand up and do what's right, as long as they have overwhelming military superiority. Or to put it another way, American Foreign Policy is  'With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility, to Maintain the Status Quo'.

 

So the mistake most films make and certainly the audience makes, is that Superman isn't the Hero in Superman films. He use's his overwhelming power and strength to maintain the status-quo, meanwhile, the real hero, Lois Lane, has no power in Capitalist America, but uses what leverage she has to attempt to cause revolution. She attempts to expose corruption, and improve the world. She's the centre point to build the film around.

 

Traditionally each story loop is Lois attempting a paradigm shift, Superman then 'saving her' and in doing so maintaining the status quo, ready for the next story. The Republican Boy Scout is in an Eternal battle with the Revolutionary Democratic will of Lois.

 

[SeanR]

Reminder: Superman isn’t actually an American.

[monkeydog]

Reminder: He's an (illegal) immigrant.

[LaveDisco]

25 minutes ago, SeanR said:

Reminder: Superman isn’t actually an American.

 

He absolutely is. He's the huddle masses, come to find the American dream. That's the Gold Standard American.

 

(Unless you're talking Native American, but you know, America.....)

[George Clooney]

Superman isn’t hard to write for, I don’t think.  There’s a tonne of story potential within Superman.  The problem is, he can literally throw things into the sun, outrun planes, and is mostly only defeatable by a dumb rock.  Not of the Dwayne kind either.  So if you go the Snyder route, you have either another big dumb brute who is virtually invulnerable and they bash into each other with no stakes, you have Batman cheap shotting him with a dumb rock and the stakes are “when does the rock go away and does he have more rocks”, or he throws the problem into the sun.  
 

I’ve never found the big scraps between god like humanoids that interesting because they’re all spectacle and no stakes.  So when films use them, they generally suck.  For all the spectacle of Man of Steels fights, there wasn’t much actually going on in them.  As much story telling potential as he has, it’s wasted if they don’t have an interesting problem that he can’t solve by chucking it into the sun.  That’s why Luthor is the best villain he has, because he can actually come up with problems that he can’t just punch. 

[Stig]

That's why Reeves Superman is still the best. It didn't rely on the big smashy smashy or fights as it's more a human drama than action film. That wouldn't fly with today's audiences though.

[SeanR]

5 hours ago, George Clooney said:

Superman isn’t hard to write for, I don’t think.  There’s a tonne of story potential within Superman.  The problem is, he can literally throw things into the sun, outrun planes, and is mostly only defeatable by a dumb rock.  Not of the Dwayne kind either.  So if you go the Snyder route, you have either another big dumb brute who is virtually invulnerable and they bash into each other with no stakes, you have Batman cheap shotting him with a dumb rock and the stakes are “when does the rock go away and does he have more rocks”, or he throws the problem into the sun.  
 

I’ve never found the big scraps between god like humanoids that interesting because they’re all spectacle and no stakes.  So when films use them, they generally suck.  For all the spectacle of Man of Steels fights, there wasn’t much actually going on in them.  As much story telling potential as he has, it’s wasted if they don’t have an interesting problem that he can’t solve by chucking it into the sun.  That’s why Luthor is the best villain he has, because he can actually come up with problems that he can’t just punch. 

excrpt in superman returns where he created a big dumb rock that  superman… threw into the sun 

[Sabreman]

15 hours ago, Stig said:

That's why Reeves Superman is still the best. It didn't rely on the big smashy smashy or fights as it's more a human drama than action film. That wouldn't fly with today's audiences though.

 

For sure, like the Sophie's Choice of which nuke to stop, and the consequences of that.

[Mogster]

15 hours ago, Stig said:

That's why Reeves Superman is still the best. It didn't rely on the big smashy smashy or fights as it's more a human drama than action film. That wouldn't fly with today's audiences though.

Superman and Lois is very much a human drama first, especially the current season, and it's really good. It still has the superheroics of course, but it's often a subplot to the family drama at the core of the show.

 

Clark Kent has always been the more interesting side of Supes to me, and that's no different here. The show's at its best when he's confronted with stuff he can't just solve with superpowers.

[Stig]

14 minutes ago, Mogster said:

Superman and Lois is very much a human drama first, especially the current season, and it's really good. It still has the superheroics of course, but it's often a subplot to the family drama at the core of the show.

 

Clark Kent has always been the more interesting side of Supes to me, and that's no different here. The show's at its best when he's confronted with stuff he can't just solve with superpowers.

 

I should give the show a go. Like you I find Clark much more interesting to watch than Superman. Supes is too powerful and its really dull.

 

Reeve's Clark is so well done, the body language alone is masterful. I watched Superman again last year when Richard Donner died and its so great, reversing time aside (but even then its just comic book logic so I'll give it a pass).

[Mogster]

It's definitely worth a watch. It's not exactly prestige TV, but it's the best Superman thing I've seen in a long time and in a whole other class to the rest of the CW DC stuff.