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23 minutes ago, Dudley said:

 

It's not all of those because at most it's 5 English clubs and you just named 6.

 
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According to insiders, a handful of English sides have been approached about joining the league, with the other candidates comprising Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur


There may yet be five places but six clubs are currently involved in discussions.

 

Maybe they’ll create a multi-million pound play-off to see who misses out.

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This European Permier League actually sounds shit even for the clubs involved to some degree.

 

18 Teams in some sort of League then knock-out games so it can't be traditional groups of 4 like the Champions League.

 

So 3 Groups of 6? - top 2 go through and 2 best 3rd place teams? Whatever the format there is the possibility that teams will effectivly be out of it by losing the first few games and then thats a much earlier end to their European adventures than normal plus you'll get English teams having to play each other which isn't that interesting for global viewers if its just in the league bit when they also play each other in the Premier League.

 

 

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51 minutes ago, glb said:

 
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There may yet be five places but six clubs are currently involved in discussions.

 

Maybe they’ll create a multi-million pound play-off to see who misses out.

 

Says absolutely nothing about them being involved in discussions, it says they were approached.

 

I could ask me to give you your car, doesn't mean we're "in discussions about it".

 

This is the red team's boondoggle. Let's wait until they announce who else is fucking everything up.

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2 hours ago, glb said:


The clubs involved aren’t leaving domestic competition though. They’d be potentially swallowing up more European money, while remaining Premier League clubs.


It’s rampant greed by a band of clubs, including Arsenal, City, Spurs and Chelsea, not just the headline two mentioned above.

 

Greedy and tone deaf given the current state of sport in general. Bunch of arse.

Particularly Arsenal and Spurs who were so skint they had to go to the government for cash to keep going without the income from fans coming in.  Then magically found a few quid stashed down the back of the sofa and managed to sign some new players after all that.

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51 minutes ago, Dudley said:

 

Says absolutely nothing about them being involved in discussions, it says they were approached.

 

I could ask me to give you your car, doesn't mean we're "in discussions about it".

 

This is the red team's boondoggle. Let's wait until they announce who else is fucking everything up.

 

:lol:

 

Yeah, I’m sure Arsenal, whose board were content to collect their top 4 place year-on-year for the monies, Chelsea, who’ve spent the best part of £200m chasing... something this summer, Spurs, with their billion pound outlay on a stadium to repay, and City, with all those juicy sponsorships they can cook on the books, want absolutely nothing to do with a multi-billion pound money grab.

 

If clubs have been approached, they’re involved. This is a little more high level than a used car market (you can have mine for two grand, btw, it’s a lovely little runner)

 

4 minutes ago, davidcotton said:

Particularly Arsenal and Spurs who were so skint they had to go to the government for cash to keep going without the income from fans coming in.  Then magically found a few quid stashed down the back of the sofa and managed to sign some new players after all that.

 

It’s sickening to be honest. Liverpool applying for furlough was a slap in the face for a lot of Reds, especially given the City is staunchly Labour and the club shortly afterwards spent £10m on a squad player.

 

It’d be a horrible cash grab at the best of times, but coming a week after Project Big Picture, and the PPV debacle, it’s just so out of touch. Liverpool and Man United are being absolute shitcunts at the minute.

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The Henrys are usually pretty good at playing the PR game, too - not just with Liverpool but with the Boston Red Sox.  But recently they've made a number of missteps in Boston too (look up trading Mookie Betts, whose trade to the LA Dodgers was a bit like selling Virgil Van Dijk to Man City for £20m).

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Not sure anything highlights the madness of football finances and how badly Arsenal have been run in recent years than us paying Ozil £300k a week and not even naming him in our PL or European squad - he now can't play until the squads get updated in Jan I think - not that Arteta is likely to pick him anyway, or he is deserving of being picked.

 

Last played a game in March, contract expires June next year, that'll be some 16 months on full pay to just train. I'd love to know the truth of if he's toxic to have around or simply being used to make a point to the squad and get them back in line after years of doing what they want.

 

Oh and he got an £8m loyalty bonus too in Sept.

 

Don't blame him for taking the money but its insane. 

 

Here is a good summary of players not making their squads

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12108929/premier-league-squads-danny-rose-jean-seri-connor-wickham-among-players-sidelined

 

Utd leaving out Jones who they only tied down to a long contract a year ago (IIRC) is another great bit of club management.

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12 hours ago, humdrum said:

Chelsea have named Petr Cech in their premier league squad....

 

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2020/10/20/chelsea-s-premier-league-squad-named?cardIndex=0-1

 

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Officially it's simply because there's space and they would use him when most clubs would have to go for an emergency loan, he's actually marginally younger than Caballero.

 

Unofficially, you'd use him before Kepa right now, even if he was in his Ice Hockey kit.

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Özil not being named in Arsenal's squad leads me to a question, not really related to his specific circumstances but it's a suitable jumping off point.

 

If a player had a contract in a club but the club didn't name him in any of their first team squads, what legal recourse would he have should he wish to leave? Again, not specific to Özil as I'm sure he's happy to continue pocketing the money and securing Gunnersaurus's future, but in some general situation where a player has been left to "rot in the reserves" rather than let go.

 

To what degree is a contract enforcable if the club don't uphold the spirit of it?

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i don't think within the rules of the competition the player has any recourse, such as naming of squads like this.

 

I do recall though that FIFA or UEFA have some global rules that say something like a player must always be under consideration to play, so a club can't officially tell a player that they have no chance of ever being picked again - which is why managers often say things like 'not in my plans at the moment but we judge things from what we see in training every day' - its a way of not breaching those rules.

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38 minutes ago, Fry Crayola said:

Özil not being named in Arsenal's squad leads me to a question, not really related to his specific circumstances but it's a suitable jumping off point.

 

If a player had a contract in a club but was the club didn't name him in any of their first team squads, what legal recourse would he have should he wish to leave? Again, not specific to Özil as I'm sure he's happy to continue pocketing the money and securing Gunnersaurus's future, but in some general situation where a player has been left to "rot in the reserves" rather than let go.

 

To what degree is a contract enforcable if the club don't uphold the spirit of it?

 

 

That's a great question. I would expect (guess) that there are clauses that explicitly state a player is not guaranteed any sort of playing time - I can see how that becomes a legal nightmare when it comes to niggling injuries.
But equally, I'm employed for a specific role, and that role is stated in my contract. If the project I'm on started asking me to do something different, I'd tell them to fuck off.
If being a football player is their contractually stated role, it would then depend if the contract has a legal description of what 'player' actually means.

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Here we go - wouldn't apply to Ozil as he played more than 10% last season and contract is up at the end of this one.

 

Article 15 of Fifa's regulations on the status of transfers and players rules that an "established professional" who has appeared in fewer than 10 per cent of a club's official matches "may terminate his contract prematurely on the ground of sporting just cause". A player would have to attempt to terminate his contract within 15 days of the season's end and make the club aware of his dissatisfaction – one thing Raheem Sterling would have little problem with based on recent evidence.

So, being dumped in the reserves could potentially provide a way out for Sterling? 

The Court of Arbitration for Sport has defined an "established professional" as aged 21 or over, a bracket Sterling only falls into halfway through next season, and reserve games may also be deemed to be official matches.

"It's a very, very high-risk action to take", John Shea, a solicitor at Blake Morgan LLP specialising in litigation and sports law told City A.M. "There've been no successful cases of it and only a few cases where it's been used due to the very severe consequences of getting it wrong. He would face the prospect of having to pay Liverpool compensation if his contract was deemed to be wrongly terminated.

And on top of all that, terminating his contract using article 15 could put off clubs from signing him in the future as they could be jointly liable for the compensation and face sanctions such as a transfer ban if it's found that they induced him to terminate his contract.

 

https://www.cityam.com/could-liverpool-legally-let-raheem-sterling-rot-reserves-response-contract-dispute/

 

still applicable and in here, sections 14 (seems to be unpaid wages termination trigger) and 15

 

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/regulations-on-the-status-and-transfer-of-players-june-2020.pdf?cloudid=ixztobdwje3tn2bztqcp

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All this is Fifa regulations of course.

 

Fifa regulations are neither UK nor EU law.

 

Until the mid-90s, clubs could demand a transfer fee for players out of contract and stop them ever playing again.  It became worth a player challenging it and it was changed after a legal challenge.

 

Ozil won't, a year on a top contract is worth the year not playing.  But sooner or later someone will.

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It’s a Winston Bogarde situation isn’t it. Player not wanted by the club, either unwilling to leave or no appropriate offers have come in so he does his training and contracted, picks up his pay and waits for his contract to end. If Ozil was really unhappy you’d assume he could force a move if he wanted to but he hasn’t.

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I think Johnson had some shit going on though rather than just being a feckless layabout. 

 

The Ozil PR machine is in full swing now, so I can imagine Arsenal's social media accounts are being bombarded by weirdo Turkish teenagers and the rest of his odd cult as we speak. The talk of loyalty is a bit rich. I mean who can put a price on something intangible like that? Apparently it's £8m in the current market, but still, the point stands.

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