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2 hours ago, Broker said:

The whole industry is filled with people who were inspired to join by the kind of racist, sexist, violent content that pervades the medium, excited to work for the kind of people who were instrumental in setting that tone for the whole medium. This generation, every Ubisoft game has been focused on slaughtering legions of people then picking up shiny crap. The people are generally non white and you’re a heroic white man fixing their savage problems. It’s not exactly shocking that a company who successfully sell racist murder porn might also be sexist cunts. 


Obv not the point of the thread, but Siege has none of this and is one of the very best games of this generation.

 

It does however, have the most toxic fanbase and some of that definitely seeps in from the community Ubi employers, devs and e-sports focus.

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2 hours ago, Broker said:

 This generation, every Ubisoft game has been focused on slaughtering legions of people then picking up shiny crap. 

 

Not really a new thing in videogames.

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Just now, Rob Rule said:

 

 

Not really a new thing in videogames.


Not at all, but Ubisoft have really doubled down on their formula, which for some reason includes “white guys white story about oppressed non white people mainly designed to make you feel good by committing murder”. But that’s ok because those white guys now give the character you’re playing as an appropriate name for the region.

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I love the Assassin's Creed games but

 

1 hour ago, Broker said:

I’d rather jab a spoon in my eye that waste my life away on repetitive tasks. You guys might be happy in the Ubisoft rat maze, and that’s lovely for you. Maybe you just like cheese more than I do.

 

Anyway, you can get back to whatever mental gymnastics are required to make you feel ok playing games made by abusive shitheads.

 

1 hour ago, HarryBizzle said:


Before you start moving the goalposts, I’m still waiting for the list of all the games the white hero racism simulator has been true for this generation. :coffee:

 

As far as I'm concerned Broker just moved the goalposts from the car park to their proper place on the field with the bolded point.

 

I love some of Ubisofts games, especially the Assassin's Creed series. They might be repetitive and formulaic but I find it relaxing after a long day at work. (Far Cry? That's been on shaky ground from early on.) My partner and I have alslo loved some of their other games. Beyond Good and Evil and Child of Light to name but two.

 

But the meat is what Broker has stated (and I've highlighted in bold.) Ubisoft have been shown by recent stories to be enabling abusive shitheels to harm their employees both professionally and personally. And that means I can't in good conscience buy any of their future titles unless they burn the whole thing to the ground.

 

And for fucks sake it's not as if we are short of games to play. If you decided not to buy any EA, Activision and Ubisoft games ever again you'd still have more than enough games to play until the end of the world.

 

Time's up. Ubisoft want to be taken seriously here? Sack the offenders. If HR digs their heels in sack HR and start from scratch. The idea that abusive talent is worth fostering at the expense of the people they damage is medieval. They aren't sacred dragons that require regular sacrifices to appease.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Broker said:


Not at all, but Ubisoft have really doubled down on their formula, which for some reason includes “white guys white story about oppressed non white people mainly designed to make you feel good by committing murder”. But that’s ok because those white guys now give the character you’re playing as an appropriate name for the region.


You've managed to name a grand total of one game over the entire generation and have decided that character being from the country, their mum being from the country and his dad being a freedom fighter in the country 20 years before the game make him a white guy. You really are an expert in mental gymnastics. 
 

@Unofficial Who I agree completely about not buying their games unless they sort this out. But that doesn’t change the fact Broker is just repeating nonsense based on nothing. 

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15 minutes ago, Harsin said:

The quality of Ubisoft’s games is entirely incidental to all the heinous shit going on in their corporation, seemingly endorsed and even committed by higher management. They could be releasing a Breath of the Wild or Last of Us Part II every couple of months and it wouldn’t make a jot of different to what we’re talking about... well should be talking about.


People who love that get even more upset when you point out how awful the developers are. I thought maybe it would go down better if it was a developer who make worthless shit bit clearly they’ve still got their fans.

 

3 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:


You've managed to name a grand total of one game over the entire generation and have decided that character being from the country, their mum being from the country and his dad being a freedom fighter in the country 20 years before the game make him a white guy. You really are an expert in mental gymnastics. 
 

@Unofficial Who I agree completely about not buying their games unless they sort this out. But that doesn’t change the fact Broker is just repeating nonsense based on nothing. 


:lol:

 

Your desperate attempt to justify this company full of arseholes making you a way to murder foreign people guilt free is absolutely pathetic. I’m not shocked that pointing out that the maker of vaguely sexist racist toys might have clued people in to the people making them being shitbags is upsetting to people who love those toys. You can go back to feigning shock if it makes you feel better.

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Alix Wilton Regan (from loads of games) has been calling out Ubisoft for a little while now.

 

And just an hour ago.

 

 

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Just now, SweatyTravolta said:

Ubisoft is to Broker as Corbyn is to PP. Windmilling nonsense with no regards to facts.

 

I don't know. He might have a point in regards to at least some of the material being released. I remember playing the DLC for Assassin's Creed Syndicate thinking "who the fuck thought this was a good idea?"

 

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5 minutes ago, Broker said:

Your desperate attempt to justify this company full of arseholes making you a way to murder foreign people guilt free is absolutely pathetic. I’m not shocked that pointing out that the maker of vaguely sexist racist toys might have clued people in to the people making them being shitbags is upsetting to people who love those toys. You can go back to feigning shock if it makes you feel better.

 

ّI’m not justifying their games at all. It’s just the easiest way to point out that you talk edgy nonsense, because it’s the easiest point you made to disprove. My bigger issue is with you making stupid generalisations about the games industry at large being full of sociopaths.

 

I’m not a child so I can say that this is bad and that I’m not going to buy their games because of it without also feeling the need to invent stories about their games “generally” being racist. 

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There's a misconception that HR is there for the well being of their employees but for the most part it's first responsibility is to the wellbeing of the company. Health and well being of employees is a nice side effect.

 

A HR department that keeps on abusers, even highly talented ones are failing their employer at the basics. Leaving aside the employees they fail enabling and protecting abuser open the employer up to lawsuits and ruined reputations.

 

If Yves is serious he should sack HR immediately, there's reams of good talent that would serve both him and his employees better. Even better half the team has threatened to resign. Excellent, that means you have half a team that you may be able to remediate.

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7 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

 

ّI’m not justifying their games at all. It’s just the easiest way to point out that you talk edgy nonsense, because it’s the easiest point you made to disprove. My bigger issue is with you making stupid generalisations about the games industry at large being full of sociopaths.


I don’t think it’s full of sociopaths, and I don’t really see how you picking at minor details relates to the wider picture. The games industry is obsessed with violence, and the media in general is massively racist. The games industry has well documented, wide ranging issues with treating its workers and the subjects of its games as subhuman. I don’t think the mindset that feels cool selling violence against poor foreign people to rich white guys is unrelated to the mindset that sees female co workers as potential targets of harassment. The same selfish ignorance is driving both. 
 

I assume the idea that because Ubisoft games are a bit racist and sexist this isn’t shocking is upsetting if you love Ubisoft games and that’s why people are responding so negatively. Picking apart my knowledge of this stuff is pretty pointless as I avoid their games because they make me uncomfortable.

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6 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

 

ّI’m not justifying their games at all. It’s just the easiest way to point out that you talk edgy nonsense, because it’s the easiest point you made to disprove. My bigger issue is with you making stupid generalisations about the games industry at large being full of sociopaths.

 

 

It's actually a good point but one that deserves to be spun off into it's own topic. 'We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.'

 

(It also makes me highly interested in what games he's playing as they're bound to be more interesting than Shooty Man 64)

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16 minutes ago, Broker said:


I don’t think it’s full of sociopaths, and I don’t really see how you picking at minor details relates to the wider picture. The games industry is obsessed with violence, and the media in general is massively racist. The games industry has well documented, wide ranging issues with treating its workers and the subjects of its games as subhuman. I don’t think the mindset that feels cool selling violence against poor foreign people to rich white guys is unrelated to the mindset that sees female co workers as potential targets of harassment. The same selfish ignorance is driving both. 
 

I assume the idea that because Ubisoft games are a bit racist and sexist this isn’t shocking is upsetting if you love Ubisoft games and that’s why people are responding so negatively. Picking apart my knowledge of this stuff is pretty pointless as I avoid their games because they make me uncomfortable.

 

This is a completely different point to the one you initially made.

 

I also don’t think facts are necessarily “minor details,” and nonchalantly saying it’s pointless picking apart your minimal knowledge of something strikes me as utterly lacking in self awareness when you keep repeating things which are not true. If you don’t have knowledge of them then don’t make stuff up about them.

 

”Yeah, I’m taking crap but it’s ok because I don’t know what I’m talking about.”

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This is so fucked up. I was within a whisker of moving to Paris to work for them a couple of years ago.

 

HR threatening to resign is very worrying and quite telling. I don't think it's a department trying to absolve itself of blame so much as pointing out that its hands were tied. As someone said upthread, HR exists primarily to protect the company, prevent it from getting sued. I don't think they'd have been habitually shuffling sex pests around the studio network were they not working to order. From what I've learned about Ubi over the years it's clear that, whether you work in Montreal or Singapore or Malmo or wherever, what Paris says goes, and Serge is king. Evidently that extends well beyond the boundaries of the kinds of games they make. Horrible stuff. 

 

I think it would be a tremendous mistake to go ahead with the livestream tomorrow. I know they've got a marketing plan to roll out and a gang of shareholders to appease but there's surely no way any good press comes out of it with all this going on.

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It seems crazy that Serge isn’t under investigation/sacked/placed on leave. Or that it hasn’t been announced if so. 

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49 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

 

This is a completely different point to the one you initially made.

 

I also don’t think facts are necessarily “minor details,” and nonchalantly saying it’s pointless picking apart your minimal knowledge of something strikes me as utterly lacking in self awareness when you keep repeating things which are not true. If you don’t have knowledge of them then don’t make stuff up about them.

 

”Yeah, I’m taking crap but it’s ok because I don’t know what I’m talking about.”


The details of their right wing wank fantasies aren’t relevant. They make right wing wank fantasies which makes it pretty obvious they’re going to be shit people. The token gestures they make to pretend they’ve understood the issues and add minor amounts of diversity to their right wing wank fantasies don’t stop them being the kind of people who make those games. Going “oh actually it’s great selling games that satisfy white people’s desire and willingness to murder non white people because the protagonist has an ethnic name” makes you seem like the most myopic person imaginable. 
 

Simple enough for you yet?

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16 minutes ago, Broker said:


The details of their right wing wank fantasies aren’t relevant. They make right wing wank fantasies which makes it pretty obvious they’re going to be shit people. The token gestures they make to pretend they’ve understood the issues and add minor amounts of diversity to their right wing wank fantasies don’t stop them being the kind of people who make those games. Going “oh actually it’s great selling games that satisfy white people’s desire and willingness to murder non white people because the protagonist has an ethnic name” makes you seem like the most myopic person imaginable. 
 

Simple enough for you yet?


Oh, ok. I mean, the last three games in the franchise have been one in which you’re a Neanderthal and then two in which you go around murdering right wing, White American, Christian zealots, but maybe they’ve just got me fooled.  

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26 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

then two in which you go around murdering right wing, White American, Christian zealots, but maybe they’ve just got me fooled.  


That Ubisoft wouldn’t commit to letting you murder alt-right, supremacist Christian zealots and used all of the real world aesthetic signifiers for that group, but removed any specific references to politics or religion is one of the biggest travesties of this gen*, and ensured Far Cry 5 was DOA.

 

But that said, Broker is talking bollocks.
 

*Ok that’s a little strong, but it was toothless and disappointing.

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I think Broker needs a timeout.

 

You can think Ubi Soft are a horrible company and they don't just make right wing brown people murdering simulators. They aren't mutually exclusive. Fucks sake man.

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Broker is angry about everything in the entire world that has ever or will ever exist. Even when he's right his frothing anger is very hard to take seriously because whatever it is the same level of anger applies. 

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It’s really not anger. People say that a lot, but I’m not really sure why. Like I’m not frothing or seething or any of the other lovely words you guys have for being very angry. I guess it’s the swearing. But yeah, I’m not really angry at Ubisoft, because nothing they do has or will ever effect me in any non abstract way. I’d also be keen to point out that a large quantity of the people who consider my swearing about a multinational conglomerate to be very rude don’t seem to have any problem throwing personal insults at me or making suggestions about my personality that are far more sweeping than any of the ones I make about game companies. Generally because I swore a bit about games that they like. It’s not exactly making me feel like I’m the one who is irrationally angry, because my swearing about companies isn’t half as unpleasant as the personal comments you guys feel ok making about me when I swear about companies you like.

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If you'd just stop making stuff about games you self admit you have no idea about, yet state your opinion as undeniable fact, then perhaps people would be more willing to engage you in good faith.

 

You've taken a thread where nobody should be defending Ubi and made people defend Ubi because of your repeated lies.

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Can we please take the Internet double-down arguments somewhere else. It’s completely inappropriate in this thread.

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It's disappointing that there doesn't really seem to be much about this on Twitter. A search for 'Ubisoft' mostly brings up stuff about the conference tomorrow or the Far Cry leak, while '#Ubitoo' doesn't bring up much at all, unless I'm Twittering wrongly.

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