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8 minutes ago, iknowgungfu said:

Hoping it will be a relatively easy job as the cooler is less than a month old which is being removed.   Surprised at the WD40 Contact Cleaner not being suitable. Says it can be used on sensitive electrics and PCBs etc.

 

I thought the contact cleaner was made with isopropanol.

It might be okay but it's better not to take a chance when a rag and a good scrub does much the same.

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On 07/08/2020 at 12:27, daifuco said:

Also the recent AMD cards do an excellent job upscaling from 1080p to 4k using the integer scaling option . By accident I left sunset overdrive at 1080p and only after a while i noticed something not quite perfect then I realized that the card was just upscaling from 1080p to 4k. That means my 5700xt can probably survive next gen at 1080p

 

 

Depends if RT takes off. The whole fucking point of it is to make life easier for developers and improve lighting for gamers. If they still have to also support the old hack ways of faking it, then it just becomes more work to do so any future engines should be RT only with no usable fallback for none-RT accelerated hardware.

 

Which is why RDNA1 has always seemed dicey in terms of longevity versus Turing RTX.

 

I suppose the fact UE5 doesn't rely on RT for its lighting solution means older hardware will still be usable in some games.

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Am I in the right place for some advice on a potential gaming desktop PC?

 

I currently have a Lenovo Legion gaming laptop (i5-7300HQ CPU @ 2.5 - 3.5Ghz, Nvidia 4GB GeForce GTX1050 GPU, 8GB RAM). I mostly play racing sims, and it can run most titles perfectly well on mid to high settings (which I discovered by accident as I initially bought it for Office and Photoshopping). But some of the newer titles require more processing power, and they bring my system (in particular the CPU) to its knees. I added extra cooling (pad) and overclocked the GPU to give it a bit more throttle, but it's clear that I'd need a beefier system in the near future. I've been looking around, but I'm getting increasingly more confused the longer I do (AMD? Intel? Nvidia? aaargh!).

 

As I said above, I mostly play racing sims but I'd also like to play MS Flight Simulator 2020, so a bit of future-proofing would be nice, and also the possibility of using a VR headset (triple screens would not be needed).

 

So most games I play would recommend a GTX1070/8Gb RAM/4Ghz CPU combo, but would it be wise to invest in those specs still, or would I need a card in the 2000 series to make it last a bit longer?

 

Also, I have no experience with AMD. I hear it's better for gaming right now, and cheaper than Intel/Nvidia?

 

How much RAM is enough, and what speed should the CPU be?

 

It doesn't have to be a cutting edge system though. Or too expensive. :blush:

 

Please help!

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When are you after getting it, @Meerman? We are literally on the cusp of a new graphics card generation that's to be announced the beginning of next month, so I'd hold off any investment until then for both future proofing or bargains, regardless.

Likewise, have a firm budget, you'll go crazy otherwise. Something I would say would be perfectly acceptable at most times if you're self-building, with brand new parts, is around the target of £600. Can be lower depending on how you're looking at the respective markets and generally how to skin a cat, can obviously be much higher especially if you're after not building the thing in the first place. The recommended specs you have quoted in terms of a modern day setup would probably be equal to that figure.

Personally, I dig my AMD system - However, you're not looking at that much of a saving unless you're looking at low-end (where even AMD's £60-100 APUs are thoroughly eating Intel's lunch, and any low rent graphics cards in the process), and I wouldn't say it's better for gaming, either - at the moment in time, AMD have CPU optimisations and core counts that beat out Intel, but lose out on raw clock speed when you overclock the absolute shit out of both - considering you're after playing Simulations and not CS:GO at 1080p, however, you're not likely to see benefits of picking Intel either. Just go with what's likely to be the best value at the time and what fits into your budget - This will likely be a Ryzen 3600 or i5-9400F.

Regarding RAM, 16GB really is the baseline these days. CPUs are generally scaling towards core count these days, but you'll typically find most mid-range CPUs hovering between 3-4.5Ghz before you factor in overclocking.

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15 hours ago, Siri said:

When are you after getting it, @Meerman? We are literally on the cusp of a new graphics card generation that's to be announced the beginning of next month, so I'd hold off any investment until then for both future proofing or bargains, regardless.

Likewise, have a firm budget, you'll go crazy otherwise. Something I would say would be perfectly acceptable at most times if you're self-building, with brand new parts, is around the target of £600. Can be lower depending on how you're looking at the respective markets and generally how to skin a cat, can obviously be much higher especially if you're after not building the thing in the first place. The recommended specs you have quoted in terms of a modern day setup would probably be equal to that figure.

Personally, I dig my AMD system - However, you're not looking at that much of a saving unless you're looking at low-end (where even AMD's £60-100 APUs are thoroughly eating Intel's lunch, and any low rent graphics cards in the process), and I wouldn't say it's better for gaming, either - at the moment in time, AMD have CPU optimisations and core counts that beat out Intel, but lose out on raw clock speed when you overclock the absolute shit out of both - considering you're after playing Simulations and not CS:GO at 1080p, however, you're not likely to see benefits of picking Intel either. Just go with what's likely to be the best value at the time and what fits into your budget - This will likely be a Ryzen 3600 or i5-9400F.

Regarding RAM, 16GB really is the baseline these days. CPUs are generally scaling towards core count these days, but you'll typically find most mid-range CPUs hovering between 3-4.5Ghz before you factor in overclocking.

 

Thanks for your reply, @Siri!

 

I'm not in too much of a hurry (although I would really want it right now). I want to make sure I do some reasearch first before I make hasty decisions. And I need to free up some budget as well. And convince the missus that I really need it for (and I quote) "that toy wheel of yours in the attic":ph34r:

 

I've never really built a PC in my life, but I suppose there's a first time for everything, although I'd rather buy a complete system. :unsure:

 

I'm going to take your advice and try to find a setup with the parts you mentioned. It needs to be at least capable of running games at 1440p60 comfortably (I have a 4K TV that does 60Hz max, fast enough for sim racing until I get VR). Assetto Corsa Competizione is the new benchmark, as it is very CPU demanding with its simulation, so it needs to run that without breaking into a sweat.

 

I'll await the new gen of GPUs and see if the current gen becomes cheaper as a result.

 

Thanks again for your advice!

 

 

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Buying a prebuilt isn't really bad - there's plenty of suppliers that do a stellar job of it. Main grievances are that there's an obvious mark-up on part prices to pay for labour costs (which is perfectly acceptable, as they're building), and you can't shop around for the best possible price. Even if you were accounting for buying a Windows 10 key for full whack (£100, compared to the hundreds of OEM keys floating around that sell for about a tenner), a quick and dirty comparison for a spicy i5 9400F/1660 Super build ends up around £120 cheaper, if you can stomach plugging it all in on your own, which can be the difference between a 1660 Super or a 2060 Super. Or the difference between having a divorce over a computer or not, I suppose.

One thing that is good about prebuilt computers is that they can end up on a shelf at currys et al (even online), and then get axed in price to clear, and even more built-to-spec specialist retailers will likely have stagnant stock that will eventually be lumped together in a Deal of the Week scenario. Keep an eye out on respective deal sites (HUKD) in case something comes by. As mentioned, even if NVidia's Ampere doesn't set the world alight with positive buzz, it will eventually force fire sales down the line in the entire market just so Ampere is the only option to buy.

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I specced a monster build on PC Specialist I think it was, which came to around £2800 with RTB warranty etc.

 

I then totted up the cost of the exact same components on Amazon, for a self-build and it came to £3000. Fook.

 

This is probably an outlier result. I did no shopping around at all during this exercise (which I will when I pull the trigger), so that would likely save a few quid, but even so, I was somewhat surprised it was so close.

 

It doesn’t matter to me at all, as I’m building a monster PC because I need the project for my lockdown sanity as much as I want a gaming behemoth. But others’ MMV.

 

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Word of advice when buying from PC Specialist, who have made my last two systems, and they are great, but, take out the windows key to save £110

....and put it towards something shiny :) then get a key from ebay!

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39 minutes ago, 5R7 said:

Word of advice when buying from PC Specialist, who have made my last two systems, and they are great, but, take out the windows key to save £110

....and put it towards something shiny :) then get a key from ebay!

 

Yep. The only reason why you'd want it preloaded is if you absolutely have zero access to another computer and a 16GB USB stick (might even be 8GB).

 

For everyone else - get yourself the Windows 10 media creator, let it do its thing on the USB stick, and on the new computer plug it in and hammer the delete key. Find an option to load the usb drive, follow the Windows prompts, done.

 

You don't even need a product key :o you just skip that part and carry on. Unlike XP, it'll just moan that you don't have Windows via a watermark. After that, find a cheap key on the internet, and bang that into the Windows activation :ph34r:

 

Spoiler

And after that's done, you can use the USB stick by sticking on Ubuntu Linux, so you have a live distro to use when the Windows file system eventually shits the bed :ph34r:

 

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4 hours ago, jonamok said:

I specced a monster build on PC Specialist I think it was, which came to around £2800 with RTB warranty etc.

 

I then totted up the cost of the exact same components on Amazon, for a self-build and it came to £3000. Fook.

 

This is probably an outlier result.

 

It probably is, in my case I essentially paid PCS £100 to put the thing together (and also of course give me a unified warranty etc).

 

Money well spent as far as I can tell, the thing is beautifully built.

 

1 hour ago, Siri said:

 

Yep. The only reason why you'd want it preloaded is if you absolutely have zero access to another computer and a 16GB USB stick (might even be 8GB).

 

 

It is indeed 8.

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You might though.

 

PCS supply an unregistered windows home.

 

If what you have is an OEM Pro key of the sort most cheap sellers sell, you can't use it to upgrade home, only to activate pro.

 

Fun extra fact, the install media creation tool will also fail. After downloading the whole install.

 

What you actually have to do is get the tool to just download the iso, "burn" it to USB with something else, install pro, THEN activate it.

 

If you buy an OEM windows home instead I imagine it's literally putting a key in.

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5 minutes ago, Dudley said:

You might though.

 

PCS supply an unregistered windows home.

 

If what you have is an OEM Pro key of the sort most cheap sellers sell, you can't use it to upgrade home, only to activate pro.

 

Fun extra fact, the install media creation tool will also fail. After downloading the whole install.

 

What you actually have to do is get the tool to just download the iso, "burn" it to USB with something else, install pro, THEN activate it.

 

If you buy an OEM windows home instead I imagine it's literally putting a key in.


Actually you can upgrade an unregistered Home edition to Pro. When I bought a pro key from eBay it gave me some extra keys that can force the upgrade (although the instructions also require you to turn off internet at a point so it’s clearly a bit of trickery).

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Oh yeah, if you're smart enough to do the media ahead of time like I didn't it's about 30 minutes total and your interaction is basically the first minute and last 2 minutes.

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I've been losing many hours to World of Warships, it is absolutely fantastic and looks incredible in full spec.

 

Still playing Warzone and haven't played Anno for a while.

 

Any recommendations?

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Well, it depends on what you want to play, really. Choice is as broad as it is deep. I've tried to avoid stuff that's currently super popular (Fall Guys, Among Us, Flight Simulator, etc).

 

For just plain shooting stuff, Gunfire Reborn and Risk of Rain 2 have both been updated and are generally class A drugs in videogame form. Warframe has also been updated, but it's a fair bit more obtuse due to being a F2P shooter that's been built on for nearly a decade.

 

Persona 4 Golden is one of the best JRPGs around, and it got brought to PC after being stuck on the Vita for the longest time. Also a very competent port, although expected. For Western RPGs, well, Witcher 3 is a tenner at the moment on Steam.

Speaking of bargains, remember that EGS has free weekly games - Enter the Gungeon is free today, and tomorrow's refresh is the first season of Hitman and Shadowrun with both expansions. All three are excellent.

 

Some fellow mukkers have also started a thread for games that haven't got their own thread due to lack of exposure here. If you're after something a bit different, I also recommend games like World of Horror and Hypnospace Outlaw.

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