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2 hours ago, amc said:

Nah, that's the fallacy. A lot of PC chat centers on the upper end but so many GFX cards about will enable a superb gaming experience. You can game wonderfully for low prices, easy.

 

It can just get swamped by next gen busting, wallet killing chat. PC gaming runs the absolute gamut of price ranges for boss experiences.

 

Indeed, I recently built a PC using some of my old parts including a 970 that I bought 5 years ago and that still does a good job at 1080p. I only really upgraded from that because I wanted to have AC: O run a bit better, so I now have a 2070 Super at 1440 and it's wonderful.

 

Still haven't played AC: O though.

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5 minutes ago, Gabe said:

 

Indeed, I recently built a PC using some of my old parts including a 970 that I bought 5 years ago and that still does a good job at 1080p. I only really upgraded from that because I wanted to have AC: O run a bit better, so I now have a 2070 Super at 1440 and it's wonderful.

 

Still haven't played AC: O though.

 

Thats the way we do it! lol

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18 hours ago, 5R7 said:

:huh: ...

 

to be honest, the stuff we have seen from those ps5 demos, is not actually that impressive in terms of RT in comparison to what we already have, in fact, the stuff in BF5 looks better than what was shown!

 

But, they will NEED something like dlss for the consoles, as it just gives such a performance improvement while looking...the same!

 

With a caveat, in 5-7 years, a 2080ti wont match the consoles, because, the devs will have learnt to code for them to eak out performance, just as we have seen this gen.


yeah I have my doubts we’ll see anything on the next gen consoles that will test a decent PC spec of today, at least not in the first couple of years then I’ll just sell my body to get a 3080ti to upgrade my 2070 super.  The consoles are aiming for 4K everything which will restrict their performance, ray-tracing comes in various forms from heavy expensive to less expensive in terms of demand,  if anything consoles will do raytracing lite just to get it on the feature list. On PC I really don’t think native 4K is necessary and 1440p is fine. Then add in DLSS 2.0 and we are golden.

 

13 hours ago, Kryptonian said:

Yeah, that sums it up @amc. For *reasons* I’d never be able to buy a top end machine and assumed you needed to spend hundreds (at once) to get anywhere


Not at all @amc hit the nail on the head when he says pc gaming is all about choice. Latest Steam survey says the GTX 1060 is the most popular GPU.  Only mentals like me go for high spec then play jet set willy on an emulator.

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57 minutes ago, simms said:

One question regarding DLSS.  Do the games developers need to implement it or can Nvidia implement it without their input.  I’m hoping Nvidia implant it on all recent games.

 

I started Control last night and decided to use DLSS, it set resolution to 720p, with everything else set to Ultra or whatever the highest could be and it looked stunning. 

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It does indeed! The engine they have is really designed to upscale internally. If you go try quantum break, it does a similar thing, and runs a lower internal res then upscale it, it also still looks really good!

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On 02/08/2020 at 07:56, simms said:

One question regarding DLSS.  Do the games developers need to implement it or can Nvidia implement it without their input.  I’m hoping Nvidia implant it on all recent games.

DLSS 2.0 requires minimal work from the developers to implement. Rumours are that DLSS 3.0 will 'just work' on any title.

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25 minutes ago, davidcotton said:

Think the ram is the bottleneck in my pc.  Only got 8 gig of it in there.  Is there an easy way to see what type I've got to swop it out for more?  Sometimes Assassins Creed Odyssey is fine, then others it stutters like a ****.


Thaiphoon Burner will do it - You have to be careful with the program however, as it is mainly used to modify settings on RAM Modules, so don't do anything else other than the 'Read' function unless you really feel like fucking your RAM up.

Honestly, though, the easiest way is to open up the case and take a picture of the RAM itself. it likely has a big honking sticker that shows the part number, which you can then bang into ebay or a good retailer that specialises in RAM (Crucial, etc) to find an equivalent before you start shopping. You'll also see how many sticks of RAM you got in there, and how many slots you have available - If you only have one stick, having a second in there will probably be a massive benefit anyway (Dual Channel is standard super good advice).

ALSO: You might want to find out what your motherboard actually is, to see if it supports faster ram than what you currently got. Either CPU-Z, Speccy or even just hammering the delete key as you turn the computer on to look at the BIOS screen should do it. You can then check that in the same RAM specialist shop (Crucial again) to see what the best possible RAM kit can be before buying it for a tenner cheaper on amazon.

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3 minutes ago, thesnwmn said:

I'd simply install HWINFO or CPU-Z and they'll tell you both right?


At the very least, CPU-Z Doesn't tell you Manufacturer/Part Number on RAM like Thaiphoon does. But Motherboard stuff, certainly.

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1 hour ago, davidcotton said:

Think the ram is the bottleneck in my pc.  Only got 8 gig of it in there.  Is there an easy way to see what type I've got to swop it out for more?  Sometimes Assassins Creed Odyssey is fine, then others it stutters like a ****.

 

just use hwinfo64

 

open memory, and click one of the sticks, it will look like this, on the right it tells you what it is.

 

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If there is only one, a matching stick would be best.

However,  you should also open your case and check your motherboard to see how many slots it has, and how many are being used.

 

if you need to replace the lot, aim for 16gig at 3200mhz

 

 

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On 01/08/2020 at 15:40, JoeK said:

There's too much that we don't know about the capabilities of the ray tracing aspect to the consoles for sure. Also far too little about how the new fancy SSD solutions the consoles have might actually affect PC versions of games too. I've never had the same issue that many do with loading screens and all that sort of thing but if games are going to have specific gameplay tying in with the instant loading we are hearing about from the PS5 especially then that's going to start getting very interesting indeed.

 

Are there currently any PC games that list an SSD as a minimum system requirement?

 

The only time I can remember seeing HDD speed listed as a requirement for playing a game was back in 2003, when Enter the Matrix specified that you needed a 7200 RPM drive to play it!

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41 minutes ago, Nick R said:

 

Are there currently any PC games that list an SSD as a minimum system requirement?


Not officially - from a quick read, Star Citizen 'Strongly Recommends' an SSD, but it's not a requirement as such.

However, Path of Exile sure as fuck needed it for a time before it received some optimisations - in a game where you're constantly loading environments at endgame, each load used to take 30-60 Seconds for a level on a conventional Hard Drive. On an SSD, it took about 2 seconds.

For reference, with decent gameplay, that's the difference between just getting into the level, and clearing the entire level and getting the fuck out of dodge. If you wanted to be anywhere near competitive (in terms of accumulating currency for trading or during racing leagues), it's SSD or you're performing at half the speed of everyone else.

Even after the optimisations, you're looking at 5-10 seconds of loading on Conventional HDD versus that same 2 seconds on SSD. and that's before you take into account any texture loads from specific game mechanics that change the environment (Breach, Delirium) or if someone pops into your hideout covered in MTX special effects, like if they wanted to trade.

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After a stressful day of moving files and SATA cables and panicking when I picked the wrong drive as Boot in the Bios I'm now going to try and run my current games on the SSD alongside the OS and leave backlog on HDD. I had about 250 games downloaded from Steam on its own before transferring. Hopefully I can keep on top of this install a bit more. Having said that, I've mainly been playing Demon's Souls anyway :)

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PC gaming feels a bit like cheating the console generation cycles and cross platform rules.

Playing Persona 4 then Sunset Overdrive and then  X4:Foundations is crazy. 

 

Also the recent AMD cards do an excellent job upscaling from 1080p to 4k using the integer scaling option . By accident I left sunset overdrive at 1080p and only after a while i noticed something not quite perfect then I realized that the card was just upscaling from 1080p to 4k. That means my 5700xt can probably survive next gen at 1080p

 

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8 hours ago, ThePixelbarks said:

Just want to say thank you to the advice I got earlier in this thread, I was going to reply earlier but I've been in the middle of a house move to the highlands. Will be joining you PC buddies once I've got my first paycheque from my new work!


where you going to?

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1 hour ago, ThePixelbarks said:

I've just moved south of Elgin, in Aberlour. This place is absolutely stunning.:wub:


Nice. I’m from just along the road in Nairn / Auldearn but moved away long ago. In this weather it’s stunning, it’s still beautiful in the autumn and winter...only you can’t tell cause it’s dark and raining..lol.

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1 hour ago, iknowgungfu said:

Does anyone know if WD40 Contact cleaner (not WD40) is suitable to remove thermal paste from CPU?

 

Don't use it. Use isopropanol or just do what I do...Scrape it off with a tissue and then use a cleaning cloth to scrub it to a nice shine. It's not hard to remove.

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Hoping it will be a relatively easy job as the cooler is less than a month old which is being removed.   Surprised at the WD40 Contact Cleaner not being suitable. Says it can be used on sensitive electrics and PCBs etc.

 

I thought the contact cleaner was made with isopropanol.

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