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Finished. I though the ending went on a bit long, mainly because when Tommy pulled out his map of California I thought 'sequel confirmed, roll credits' and didn't know there was still a load left. The fight in the mist at the end felt a bit Metal Gear Solid but I was dying for Ellie to let Abby live, it threw me that you play as both sides trying to kill the other and at one point I was completely on Abby's side. Minus points for not going full MGS and having a final showdown on top of the Space Needle.

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2 minutes ago, wullie said:

Minus points for not going full MGS and having a final showdown on top of the Space Needle.

 

I did wonder if the game was headed there as soon as it was mentioned. Glad it wasn't the case. 

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6 hours ago, Wincho said:

In part 2 in one of the fight scenes, Ellie bites Abby on the arm to get free

That's gotta be foreshadowing something for the part 3 they're bound to do, right?

Perhaps surrounding immunity.

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3 minutes ago, Triple A said:

That's gotta be foreshadowing something for the part 3 they're bound to do, right?

Perhaps surrounding immunity.


part three: Ellie bites everyone and they’re all like “what the fuck”.

but it only grants twenty minutes of immunity, so before every fight you don’t pull on a mask: you walk up to your companion and sink your teeth in.

 

i could actually see them doing this. Close ups on the arm. Close ups on the dirt and blood. Ellie slowly getting a taste for flesh...

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38 minutes ago, footle said:


part three: Ellie bites everyone and they’re all like “what the fuck”.

but it only grants twenty minutes of immunity, so before every fight you don’t pull on a mask: you walk up to your companion and sink your teeth in.

 

i could actually see them doing this. Close ups on the arm. Close ups on the dirt and blood. Ellie slowly getting a taste for flesh...

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No, that's rubbish - my sarcasm detector may be faulty here though, I will admit.

 

Also that bite isn't foreshadowing shit. After Ellie's mask breaks she straight up says to Dina, "I can't get you infected, I can't make you immune either."

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On 04/07/2020 at 11:50, MardiganX said:

 

See that... there just isn’t enough of that these days. A completely understandable and well broken down justification for what most feel is a game of the generation just not hitting the mark for you :)

 

As as I said earlier, I have no interest in disputing your view or score and the BB comparison is very important context. I agree whatever they go onto do with MP, especially a horde variant will elevate it further so hopefully we see that sooner rather than later.

 

Where every piece of interactive story telling had me completely hooked that kind of stuff seems to have detracted from your experience and given your BB love that makes perfect sense. A few hours into my NG+ this is comfortably the game of the generation for me and I know it’s going to feel even better replaying certain sections. 

 

I look forward to giving you a shout when MP lands ;)

 

Has an MP mode been confirmed? I though they said otherwise but I might be thinking about DLC.

 

 

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Yeah multiplayer is coming soon, no story dlc this time though. 

 

Factions is truly brilliant though, I'm really excited about it. I have a strong feeling it will be free to play but with a ton of cosmetic items and executions 

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1 hour ago, Thor said:

my sarcasm detector may be faulty here though, I will admit.


you reckon?

we have zombies. Just need vampires and werewolves. Not quite sure how to get werewolves in: perhaps JJ and Lev could play dress up?

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Done.

Well this was a complex one.

For the most part the technical side of things was astonishing though character movement and animation felt somewhat last gen, I point to the jumping mechanics.

While the gameplay is improved from the first game I stopped enjoying it through the Abby stages. It’s only a half step up from the previous game. Close combat is a real mess and there’s an absence of a number of moves you would expect like killing from cover.

 

I’ve seen the footage from E3 or whenever it was, it looked like the gameplay was going to be fast, fluid,dynamic and much more in the same vein as Uncharted 4 but in truth it’s wasn’t like that at all. I’m not saying It can’t be like that I’m just saying I was looking for it and I didn’t find it, neither did my friend at work.

 

From a narrative and gameplay stand point I found the Abby sections a complete waste of time. It was for the most part just sending you back through the bits you had already done, it reminded me of Darksiders when you finished the game you had to go all the way back. 

I didn’t like Abby at all. They went to great lengths to try and justify her actions and paint her as a sweet but strong woman. It didn’t work at all. I don’t like what she did, I don’t care about her. 

The idea you could throw away the main cast and shoehorn in some characters for half the game is something only Sonic team do.

I went all the damn way to the aquarium to see some Owen, did the business and bang off again....what was the point in all of that?

 

The game did pick up towards the end again. At one point I thought it would never end. The endless meticulous scanning of environments for scraps of supplies and never ending locked doors.
The ending was pretty dark. Returning home to an empty house was pretty deflating and as a guitar player myself I can’t think of anything more depressing than losing 2 fingers.

 

All this time thought I was under the impression Ellie was going to die. That’s what one of the spoilers were saying.

 

Overall It is a great game and I did have one of the most enjoyable nights playing this game that I’ve ever had as a gamer. I will play it again at some point but I do think it’s technical prowess and production values perhaps help mask it’s last gen gameplay and it’s strange narrative turns. That sheen won’t last forever so I expect to age slightly faster than other games.

8/10

 

 

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I think I’d like a TLOU Part 3 to come to an older Ellie, rather than picking up soon after this game.

 

Ellie in her mid 30’s is going to be living in a different world, and be a different person and maybe she can finally deal with what to do with her immunity.... possibly with a predictable outcome (but its the elephant in the room!). Whatever ND do, we need a 3rd to close out an interesting three chapter exploration of her life.

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19 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

I think I’d like a TLOU Part 3 to come to an older Ellie, rather than picking up soon after this game.

 

Ellie in her mid 30’s is going to living in a different world, and be a different person and maybe she can finally deal with what to do with her immunity.... possibly with a predictable outcome (but its the elephant in the room!. Whatever ND do, we need a 3rd to close out an interesting three chapter exploration of her life.

 

Maybe it turns out Joel had a son with a woman (neither revealed in Part II for...reasons) whilst living at Jackson and in Part III several years later turns out he's now 13 years old and is immune to a new mutated strain of the zombie virus meaning Ellie has to escort Joel Jr to a different Firefly hospital (miles and miles away) and then Ellie becomes the Joel character of the third game and then you'll never believe what happens...they form a mother son bond and...

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1 hour ago, Harrisown said:

as a guitar player myself I can’t think of anything more depressing than losing 2 fingers.

Very true, but surely you know the story of Tony Iommi, and what got him playing again after his accident?

 

I reckon Ellie could still play very well with some prosthetic replacements or even just the two fingers.

 

@AI1 Again, is my sarcasm detector malfunctioning, or are you chumps seriously coming up with the worst storylines imaginable? :P

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6 minutes ago, Thor said:

Very true, but surely you know the story of Tony Iommi, and what got him playing again after his accident?

 

I reckon Ellie could still play very well with some prosthetic replacements or even just the two fingers.

 

@AI1 Again, is my sarcasm detector malfunctioning, or are you chumps seriously coming up with the worst storylines imaginable? :P

They’re just stumps, Tony only lost his tips.

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And then in Part IV you play as Joel Jr in his 40s and guess what? He's the spitting image of his father and has a voice like Troy Baker as well. He also has this daughter right..and you never believes what happens...she gets killed horribly and Joel Jr goes out on a mission of revenge, right? Then on his journey he teams up with this woman who has a girl that needs to be taken to a group called the Fireflies...and you'll never believes what happens! Yes, they form a father daughter bond, and guess what happens next...you won't believe it...

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2 minutes ago, Harrisown said:

They’re just stumps, Tony only lost his tips.

Yes, but after that happened he quit the band, and quit playing. I don't remember the exact story, but it's something like...

 

After a while a friend called over with a tape, he said to Tony, 'you need to listen to this, he's a great guitar player.' Tony was like, 'why would you do this to me?', but his friend played the tape and said, 'just listen'. Sure enough, the guitar playing was impressive, and Tony said so. His friend said, 'the guy has just two fingers on his fretting hand'. It's that that prompted Tony Iommi to assess his options, and here we are. :)

 

So Ellie still being able to play impressively isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

 

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@AI1

 

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I reckon in the sequel the main character meets up with a girl they broke up with 20+ years ago, and finds out they have a son who is an annoying fast talking knobhead that constantly combs his hair like he's Danny Zuko for some reason.

At the same time, the Russians are searching for something related to a crystal skull and it eventually turns out to be a big alien spaceship.

There's a great cut scene featuring a CGI groundhog, and for some reason the protagonist survives a nuclear blast by hiding in a fridge.

 

Oh hang on, that was the really shit Indiana Jones film.

 

Please, no sequels, prequels, spin-offs etc. OK, maybe a spin off in the same vein as The Lost Legacy.

ND have managed to knock it out of the park with their last two attempts at new story based IP, surely they could manage another go at something new.

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5 hours ago, Harsin said:

If Ellie could transfer the virus by bodily fluids, then Dina would be a Clicker by the end of the game.


I read there was a boss in the cinema and thought I was going to be fighting a mutant baby at one point. 

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10 hours ago, Thor said:

 Ellie's mask breaks she straight up says to Dina, "I can't get you infected, I can't make you immune either."

Oh yeah I had forgot about that - symptom of my cramming the game and all its content and qualities - symptom of my energy level waning by that point in the game maybe. And of course just my stupid brain.

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Abby going to sweep the hospital floors was probably the most tense part for me. All the talk about how there's a reason nobody's been down there set my nerves jangling and then when you're first on the other side of the door to the rat king the listening mode shows this huge fucker the other side, had to switch it off at that point and play it again when it was daylight.

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The structure of this game is so interesting. There are so many ways that the segments could've been presented - ordering of scenes, which bits you control, which characters you control.

 

It seems like ND really wanted you hate Abby in the first segment, but then come to empathise with her after the second. In reality I assumed Abby had a good reason for doing what she did so I was sympathetic to her pretty much as soon as she turned up at the theatre. Rather than being aligned with Ellie and Dina on their mission to Seattle, I thought it was foolish and misguided. I mean, it clearly was foolish and misguided but I get the impression that I was supposed to be full on-board with Ellie at this point, just as I was when Joel busted up the Fireflies and rescued Ellie in pt1. 

 

Abby is already partially humanised before 'the act', as we get to play as her and get snippets of back story. She's out for revenge. Joel has done some terrible things. Although I didn't agree with the act, I understood why it was happening and that there was probably a good reason. I wonder how it would've felt if we experienced Joel's death exactly as Ellie did? Seeing Joel beaten to a pulp and then finished off by a violent gang with absolutely no context. It's not like I can't be manipulated into rooting for a character who wants revenge. For example, if the bad guys were those tossers sending Twitter death threats to Abby's real-life likeness - I hate those guys, send me after them.

 

Also, the player doesn't get full context for Ellie's state of mind until the end. The state of play with Joel, the PTSD. This may work fine in passive media but feels strange when I'm supposed to be in control.

 

I actually really loved Abby and being aligned with her mission made me realise how preferable that state is. I've no doubt ND intended to break that alignment, which is brave and original, but I'm not sure how advisable it is. I think perhaps ND were overly worried about people not buying into Abby's story so went a bit overboard making Ellie unlikeable.

 

That's just my feelings, though, and I do totally appreciate ND's ambition. As for the game itself, it's got the best third-person CQB I've ever played, and unlike others I was actually delighted when the game carried on in Santa Barbara. The look and feel of that section was sublime and it just felt good to be merking some real arseholes as a badass-looking Ellie.

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Santa Barbara was immense. It was ND saying "here you go, after 26 hours of sneaking round and and tension at every moment, have some fun... Oh and heres some chained up infected and a sub machine gun to play with"

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15 hours ago, Harrisown said:

Done.

Well this was a complex one.

For the most part the technical side of things was astonishing though character movement and animation felt somewhat last gen, I point to the jumping mechanics.

While the gameplay is improved from the first game I stopped enjoying it through the Abby stages. It’s only a half step up from the previous game. Close combat is a real mess and there’s an absence of a number of moves you would expect like killing from cover.

 

I’ve seen the footage from E3 or whenever it was, it looked like the gameplay was going to be fast, fluid,dynamic and much more in the same vein as Uncharted 4 but in truth it’s wasn’t like that at all. I’m not saying It can’t be like that I’m just saying I was looking for it and I didn’t find it, neither did my friend at work.

 

From a narrative and gameplay stand point I found the Abby sections a complete waste of time. It was for the most part just sending you back through the bits you had already done, it reminded me of Darksiders when you finished the game you had to go all the way back. 

I didn’t like Abby at all. They went to great lengths to try and justify her actions and paint her as a sweet but strong woman. It didn’t work at all. I don’t like what she did, I don’t care about her. 

The idea you could throw away the main cast and shoehorn in some characters for half the game is something only Sonic team do.

I went all the damn way to the aquarium to see some Owen, did the business and bang off again....what was the point in all of that?

 

The game did pick up towards the end again. At one point I thought it would never end. The endless meticulous scanning of environments for scraps of supplies and never ending locked doors.
The ending was pretty dark. Returning home to an empty house was pretty deflating and as a guitar player myself I can’t think of anything more depressing than losing 2 fingers.

 

All this time thought I was under the impression Ellie was going to die. That’s what one of the spoilers were saying.

 

Overall It is a great game and I did have one of the most enjoyable nights playing this game that I’ve ever had as a gamer. I will play it again at some point but I do think it’s technical prowess and production values perhaps help mask it’s last gen gameplay and it’s strange narrative turns. That sheen won’t last forever so I expect to age slightly faster than other games.

8/10

 

 


Oh, you can definitely play it like the E3 demo.

I find it fascinating that some people apparently can't relate to Abby. As gruesome as it was, I could totally relate to what she did. And where Abby mostly killed Infected, Scars and the WLF that wanted to kill Yara and Lev, who she went to great lenghts to protect, Ellie's part was one of selfish revenge, right up to the end, even leaving behind a life with Dina and JJ.

Quite liked this video on the subject.



Also, I totally feel the same as @Pob above.
Interestingly enough, if you watch the concept art that you can unlock under Extras, Joel was originally shot by Abby. One of the drawings even has his hand, still clutching a gun, blown off. The golf club beating made it even more gruesome, probably going the extra mile to hate Abby even more. The game is full of those little tricks Just Write talks about in his video, but it's effective. It certainly worked for me. At the end I was totally fearing for Abby's life, who finally found some peace with Lev. 

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10 hours ago, Moz said:


I read there was a boss in the cinema and thought I was going to be fighting a mutant baby at one point. 

 

That would have been amazing. Even if it was just an Ellie fever dream I would have welcomed weird shit like that. I thought the barn scene when Ellie was herding the sheep was going to go full horror with infected everywhere when the door slammed shut, gutted when it was just a ptsd flashback. Imagine the utter carnage, trying to save the baby and sheep from a horde of infected, ND need to give me a job now.

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