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“SPOILER THREAD” - The Last Of Us Part 2


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4 hours ago, Doctor Shark said:

Laura Bailey, the actress who plays Abby, receiving death threats to herself and her child from utter pricks over Twitter:

 

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Good to see that she’s had enormous support from the twitter community. Hope she can put these frustrated kidnerds out of her mind.

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11 minutes ago, Sumire said:

I would love to do a unbreakable pick axe only run. Damn that weapon is fine.                 

My kids (17, 15 going on 20) were watching me play when I first got that and they LOVED it. I did apologise to them for exposing them to such ultraviolence.

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Anyway - 9/10. Such fantastic character work. Completely hooked me into the Abby redemption story. I really, really didn’t want to fight her at the end. More than I didn’t want to fight Ellie at the end of act 2 although once the little shit carved me up that soon changed.


Loved the lack of loading times (though it cost me a few VERY late nights)


The little guitar interlude with Nina was the point it swung for me. Up until then I couldn’t buy into the Ellie & Nina relationship. Their horse being blown up was a gut punch. And at the end I was so upset for Ellie having lost everything.

 

1 point lost for dragging out some of the action scenes. Two or three were just rinse & repeat. And for the gratuitous sex scene that totally undermined Abby’s character. She would and should have kicked Owen in the nuts.

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10 minutes ago, choddo said:

Anyway - 9/10. Such fantastic character work. Completely hooked me into the Abby redemption story. I really, really didn’t want to fight her at the end. More than I didn’t want to fight Ellie at the end of act 2 although once the little shit carved me up that soon changed.


Loved the lack of loading times (though it cost me a few VERY late nights)


The little guitar interlude with Nina was the point it swung for me. Up until then I couldn’t buy into the Ellie & Nina relationship. Their horse being blown up was a gut punch. And at the end I was so upset for Ellie having lost everything.

 

1 point lost for dragging out some of the action scenes. Two or three were just rinse & repeat. And for the gratuitous sex scene that totally undermined Abby’s character. She would and should have kicked Owen in the nuts.

No way, Owen was her soft spot and to me that was clear as day as her story progressed. I didn't feel it undermined her, it felt to me like it was her lowering that wall for a brief moment and allowing herself to give in.

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Yeah, it was pretty clear that Owen was by far her closest friend and we saw her erecting barriers when they were actually in a relationship. Without judgement as to the morality of sleeping with someone who has a kid with another woman on the way, I thought it was believable in that moment that she let her guard down for someone she probably still loved.

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There’s also the link between Owen and her Dad, and her obviously complex feelings about losing someone she loved so much because he was trying to do the right thing. You can see those same qualities in Owen, and they do basically get him killed in the end so she’s going to have extremely complex feelings about him. 

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Finished this today with a lot of praise for the production, gameplay, acting/animation/sound etc. 

The story is brutal and heartbreaking at times, and deserves to be. Two people hell bent on revenge and being eaten away by it is not an easy thing to watch.

 

Some of the small points really got me. At one point I shot a dog and someone shouted "Oh no, Bear!". Later on in the stadium, bear was one of the dogs being trained.

 

Minor criticism - Some of Abby's story felt a bit dragged, out, especially the bit where they go to find Lev after he's gone back for his mum.

 

I genuinely though the game would end when Ellie started singing about "my buddy potato" with JJ.

I sort of wish it had, at that point she had a happy family. In the end she lost everything.

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18 minutes ago, cubik said:

 

 

I genuinely though the game would end when Ellie started singing about "my buddy potato" with JJ.

I sort of wish it had, at that point she had a happy family. In the end she lost everything.

Yeah naughty dog are the masters of misdirection. I was convinced too . Glad it didn’t though cos Santa Barbara was great .

 

One of my favourite oh shit moments was the realisation that the shit hot sniper and the person I had been desperate to  kill was Tommy. 
 

 

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I'm glad I went into this without spoilers, apart from one comment I saw online with someone whinging having to play as a murderer of a loved character.

I'd wrongly assumed that Joel would get infected and Ellie would have to make the tough decision to kill him.

Obviously once Abby did her bit with a 5 Iron I realised what it really meant and as I'd already played as her by that point I thought that was it.

 

I genuinely didn't expect her to be the main character for half the game, and even though it was obvious her reason for revenge was related to when Joel killed the Fireflies, I still didn't think I'd become sympathetic with her character or her friends who Ellie picked off one by one.

 

Mel was the worst of the lot, after they'd established that she was a medic and not a fighter and that she was against Abby's violence it wasn't easy to think that she and her baby were cut down like that. Fucking grim.

 

Obviously there were lighter moments that were touching, the cassette tape in the space museum or Ellie and JJ sat on a tractor for example.

 

I got it on Tuesday, and finished it today but it took me twenty odd hours. Friday was a full 10 hours of videogaming which I haven't done for a very long time, thank goodness for four day working weeks.

 

Naughty Dog, you did it again.

Saying that and as much as I loved it, I'd really like to see them work on new IP and not flogging the Uncharted/TLOU series to death. Leave them here, at their peak.

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9 hours ago, Stanley said:

Yeah the Santa Barbara sections where brilliant - they captured something really eery and unnerving, hard to put your finger on, Midsommer managed it also. 

 

All I could think about was Max Payne 3 :(

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Thinking about this more .

 

bits I didn’t like or felt were a bit poor.

 

1. the sex scene. No problem at all with happening , was a great moment. But there has never been a sex scene in video gaming that isn’t just *cringe* and this is no exception . 
 

2 . Lev . I really like lev as a character , but all I kept thinking was it was  rip off of eleven from stranger things series one with the naive view of the world and language . 
 

3. And that’s it . 
 

things I did like .

 

1. the world , just a staggering realisation . Every location just oozes attention to detail.

 

2. Abby. Who knew . Spent half the game hating her and then did a complete U turn .

 

3 . the story . Fantastically well told and superbly acted .

 

4. the tension . Every second of every location you are on edge waiting for something to happen .

 

5. the gameplay . An evolution of the first game and some superb opportunities to improvise .

 

6. The sound design . The best I have ever experienced in a game . By some distance . 
 

7. Guess what . You can have have lgbt characters you care about and know about their sexuality and gender choices and , yeah, some times it does matter because it adds to the richness of the story being told . ( thinking about the usual “we don’t care if someone is gay, why have it in there though” crowd) . 
 

8. the violence . The delicious , raw violence . 
 

9 . Spending ages playing the guitar .

 

All in all , its not as good as the original. But then the bar that game set is , for me, the pinnacle . But my goodness it comes close . 

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Just watching the Angry Joe extended chat on YT and they made a good point on how the game focuses more on surprise than suspense and at no point does Abby or the gang ever discuss why they hated and killed Joel with Ellie at all which would have amped up the tension and engagement.
Imagine if Tarantino had written the initial meeting with Abby/Joel, it would have played out like the suspenseful start of Inglorious Bastards in the farmhouse.

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I did think it a bit unlikely at the time that Abby didn't bother to explain to Ellie why she was going to kill Joel. I generally dislike it when characters unrealistically withhold information like that for the sake of surprise later on, there was no motivation for Abby not to tell her. I totally understand why they did it but it's definitely a contrivance.

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22 minutes ago, macosx said:

Just watching the Angry Joe extended chat on YT and they made a good point on how the game focuses more on surprise than suspense and at no point does Abby or the gang ever discuss why they hated and killed Joel with Ellie at all which would have amped up the tension and engagement.
Imagine if Tarantino had written the initial meeting with Abby/Joel, it would have played out like the suspenseful start of Inglorious Bastards in the farmhouse.

That’s not a good point at all. Miles better the way ND did it. Why ruin the mystery around Abby etc ?  Angry joe gave it 6/10. He’s a fucking  goon mate 

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11 hours ago, Gabzy said:

No way, Owen was her soft spot and to me that was clear as day as her story progressed. I didn't feel it undermined her, it felt to me like it was her lowering that wall for a brief moment and allowing herself to give in.


I can see that but I guess I just found him too much of a wanker to buy into that. He was probably the only character I actively disliked in the whole game (except for Abby during her golfing phase. Oh and I wasn’t too keen on the slavers)

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2 hours ago, macosx said:

Just watching the Angry Joe extended chat on YT and they made a good point on how the game focuses more on surprise than suspense and at no point does Abby or the gang ever discuss why they hated and killed Joel with Ellie at all which would have amped up the tension and engagement.
Imagine if Tarantino had written the initial meeting with Abby/Joel, it would have played out like the suspenseful start of Inglorious Bastards in the farmhouse.


Abby doesn’t know who Ellie is at that moment.

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17 hours ago, choddo said:

She would and should have kicked Owen in the nuts.

Absolutely!

Am completely baffled by largely positive feedback I've read about his character, the grade-A fuckboi douchenugget.

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6 hours ago, PeteBrant said:

That’s not a good point at all. Miles better the way ND did it. Why ruin the mystery around Abby etc ?  Angry joe gave it 6/10. He’s a fucking  goon mate 


He is a fucking goon agreed, but my point is valid. You’ve got this huge revenge story on both sides that is never mentioned by the protagonists who just end up fighting each other with button presses. Whilst playing I was hoping that there was some dialogue to round out the personal revenge stories. These were the biggest scenes. Just felt a bit hollow character wise at the pivotal moments.

I mean Abby’s goons don’t even add anything to the plot or motivation or offer up any reasoning for what they did. It’s just bad people doing bad things to other people all around. 

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I’m just playing the first one through again and there is a bit where Ellie is about to get chopped up by David the canibal and she bites him before going on to tell him that she is infected and that now he is too

 

In part 2 in one of the fight scenes, Ellie bites Abby on the arm to get free

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12 hours ago, macosx said:

Just watching the Angry Joe extended chat on YT and they made a good point on how the game focuses more on surprise than suspense and at no point does Abby or the gang ever discuss why they hated and killed Joel with Ellie at all which would have amped up the tension and engagement.
Imagine if Tarantino had written the initial meeting with Abby/Joel, it would have played out like the suspenseful start of Inglorious Bastards in the farmhouse.


I think you are misreading the scene tbh.

 

Hans Lander (the SS officer in Tarrentino’s film) is in complete charge of the situation and is toying with the other character.

 

Abby and the gang are terrified of Joel. To them he is a mythic monster that they have built up in their minds, and I only really picked up on it the second time I played it (after understanding Abby in context of what happens later). And it makes the scene all the more interesting. I’m not saying it’s perfect. And there are thousand ways that scene could have been played.  But I think it works better on a replay than it does maybe the first time you come across it.

 

 

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6 hours ago, macosx said:

They meet many times, it never happens.

 

Many times? They do not meet more than two and always try to kill each other. In fact, the first time they meet after Joel's death, Ellie tells her who she is straight on. Either way, it also doesn't matter much from a narrative and a character standpoint. Abby owes no explanation to Ellie, she is consumed by revenge.

 

That point is pure Joe drivel, as are most of his arguments about the game. He was negative from the leaks because he simply doesn't like the main story and the direction it took. 

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I disagree and find it a bit of void in the whole narrative. I was looking forward to it. If you enjoyed it then all good though. It does work narratively as at the end I did emphasise with Abby through the parallels drawn with Lev, to Joel and Abby but I did want to know more than just ‘revenge’ . Would have been a great scene with them playing off what had been lost and damaged in their lives.

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52 minutes ago, Talk Show Host said:

 

Many times? They do not meet more than two and always try to kill each other. In fact, the first time they meet after Joel's death, Ellie tells her who she is straight on. Either way, it also doesn't matter much from a narrative and a character standpoint. Abby owes no explanation to Ellie, she is consumed by revenge.

 

That point is pure Joe drivel, as are most of his arguments about the game. He was negative from the leaks becausehe simply doesn't like the main story and the direction it took. he’s a misogynistic sex pest. 

 

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Technically amazing, occasional nice interlude (the museum, the football stadium, the aquarium), some astonishing set pieces (haven, though you’re entirely on rails on the horse).

 

The story... I’d guessed the plot at the beginning of day one in Seattle (simply because I knew there was a second half). I like the symbolism of the fight in the theatre. I thought the trek out to kill unnamed and anonymous baddies in Santa Barbara was entirely unnecessary.

 

I recognise the bits about “choice”, and the irony that as the player you have none, but there’s a version of the game where it’s entirely possible for that to happen at the theatre, or for Ellie to accept that Dina’s and JJ’s life has been spared by her enemy - we’d lose a three hour anonymous bad guys killing scene, and you’d still be happy with the story.

 

(Also, it’s just too long - I had the same opinion of the first game...)

 

and a bit too much torture porn: enough that I’m really unlikely to want to play it again.

 

so far, probably second or third in the game of the year stakes behind animal crossing and (can I have slay the spire again now it’s out on iPad), both of which I’ll have put hundreds of hours into, but really doubtful there will be an AAA blockbuster in the next couple of years to challenge it on other things.

 

I mean, who else is even going to try? And should they?

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