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3 hours ago, NinjaSeb said:

Those prices are peanuts when you’re primarily a PC gamer lol. 
 

Consoles should be double the price that they are but they are aimed at children and teens mostly so I don’t see things changing.


ok, boomer...

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5 hours ago, footle said:


sure, but a lot of us aren’t twenty any longer, and with ten months notice we can pretty easily find £600 once every three years for one of our main hobbies: think about how many forty somethings pay golf club membership.

 

(and if you’re buying a series X, then chances are you’ve also paid for games pass in some deal, and are able for reuse controllers: that’s fifty quid on a second controller you’re not spending this time round, and two times fifty quid you’re not spending on a couple of launch games, if you so choose: the pack most of us had to buy our launch PS4 in was the killzone shadow fall one - something like £430... before you then bought a decent game!)

 

we’re not a forum of teenagers, and what we might spend doesn’t really say very much about what prices are more widely viable.


Aside from the fact that a lot of us will end up owning all of the consoles, it’s not that people are prepared to spend £650 on a console, more that 90% are immediately ready to spend that without knowing what the difference between the two will be. Not a lot of people expressing a wait and see approach. 

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13 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:


Aside from the fact that a lot of us will end up owning all of the consoles, it’s not that people are prepared to spend £650 on a console, more that 90% are immediately ready to spend that without knowing what the difference between the two will be. Not a lot of people expressing a wait and see approach. 

 

I'm going to use it over the course of 4 or so years. If your average Xbox rumour is true, the difference will be significant at 4k resolution.

 

But then I'll probably pay £600+ for my next PC graphics card as well, rather than one that costs £400 for 75% of the performance. I'm not necessarily a typical *broader* consumer, but I am relatively typical for someone into gaming, in my forties, with no kids and posting on this board...

 

(And the poll doesn't have a wait and see option!)

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1 hour ago, HarryBizzle said:


Aside from the fact that a lot of us will end up owning all of the consoles, it’s not that people are prepared to spend £650 on a console, more that 90% are immediately ready to spend that without knowing what the difference between the two will be. Not a lot of people expressing a wait and see approach

...replied to wrong quote 

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Until they're released and we see multiplatform games running side-by-side we have no idea how the potential power differential will actually play out. New tech like DLSS and VRS could mean the observable difference between native 4K and 'faux' 4K resolutions being much less obvious than this gen unless you're sitting with your nose up to the screen.

 

Ultimately, I think how pronounced the effects of a power differential are will depend on things like how low variable resolutions need to drop to maintain solid frame rates on the weaker machine, or what observable increased fidelity (aside from resolution) the more powerful machine can offer, in terms of higher quality ray-tracing, better AO and so on.

 

For example, what sort of improved effects etc. can a 2080TI do versus a 2080?

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18 hours ago, Phil said:

For example, what sort of improved effects etc. can a 2080TI do versus a 2080?

 

Sweet fuck-all, the extra power is pretty much used for either improved performance at the same rendering resolution/graphical quality or similar performance at a higher rendering resolution. There is a ~30% TFLOPS advantage for the RTX 2080Ti over the RTX 2080:

 

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Unless the amount of Ray-tracing hardware acceleration silicon is massively different, then the differences there are also marginal.

 

The PS4P to X1X or even the PS4 to PS4P compute power gap shows the most likely real-world differences with that sort of compute power differential gap (and those 2 examples also have notable CPU/RAM/Bandwidth differences).

 

It's measurable, but 99% of people will claim they can't see it or don't care. Even quite a few people on this forum clearly don't care as some of them game on the weakest current gen console(s).

 

 

If you believe that Microsoft will release the Xbox Series S (Lockhart), then they should clean up if most people don't give a shit about native rendering resolution as it'll give you 90%+ of the graphics quality with ballpark performance of the PS5/XSX, assuming exclusives don't matter and subscriptions become the de facto way to pay for games.

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As digitalfoundry put it, were sort of in a post resolution era. 1440p games look great on 4K displays with various post processing effects in place. With that in mind, I kind of wonder what the point of the more expensive console is if the level of detail and effects is basically the same across the two.
 

The difference won’t be that noticeable if it’s purely a matter of resolution. 

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21 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

As digitalfoundry put it, were sort of in a post resolution era. 1440p games look great on 4K displays with various post processing effects in place. With that in mind, I kind of wonder what the point of the more expensive console is if the level of detail and effects is basically the same across the two.
 

The difference won’t be that noticeable if it’s purely a matter of resolution. 

 

Are you talking about the Xboxes or the PS5 and the non-existent Pro model for it?

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On 03/03/2020 at 09:56, Chadruharazzeb said:

We're expecting the base model launch price to be £150 more than the launch PS4 price? What's that based on?

 

Aside from everyone else's point, the PS4 was £349, which was $560 in November 2013.

 

Today $560 is £429.

 

So there's half of it straight away, even before the effects of inflation and any hardware cost rise.

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3 minutes ago, Dudley said:

 

Aside from everyone else's point, the PS4 was £349, which was $560 in November 2013.

 

Today $560 is £429.

 

So there's half of it straight away, even before the effects of inflation and any hardware cost rise.

Inflation adjusted £349 in 2013 is £402 today. If you assume dollars to pounds then it’s £460.

 

i think £399-£449  is a likely price .

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18 minutes ago, Dudley said:

So yeah I know these things don't precisely follow inflation but £450-£500 is effectively the same dollar price as PS4 launch :)

Yup I knew where you were going :thumbs up:

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7 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:


I’m talking about the thing Boozy posted, and other things saying Lockhart will aim for same everything except resolution. 

 

The same reason Microsoft had to release the Xbox One X, power matters to the hardcore true believers and without the Halo effect of the most powerful console available, the hardcore aren't going to be eulogising the Xbox brand as the one to go for.

 

The return of the Giant Enemy Crab to squeeze Sony out of the market leader position, but you have to make some pretty broad assumptions about what matters to most buyers for the pincer strategy to work.

 

It's going to be fun watching this play out.

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I browsed that user's tweet history, makes another interesting claim:

 

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SeX will be much more than just 33% more powerful than PS5. Compute is only the beginning of the story

 

They do say they are developing a game engine for the XSX, though I've not checked if this engine is actually commercialised.

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Yeah, and it makes this quite an interesting generation in that respect.  Are the "kids" still buying consoles new in the way we probably did in 1995 for instance?

 

Although the £299 a PS1 was on launch is essentially £499 now...

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1 hour ago, Pockets said:

Threads like this normalising the idea of a £650 console are why you might end up with them. 
 

Things are only worth what people will pay for them - they aren’t created with an intrinsic value. The discussion of tech and feverish excitement for it are what drives the prices up. 
 

RAM or whatever is only expensive when/because people want it. It’s the preparedness of men in middle age to spend big on consoles that makes them expensive. 

 

They do have an intrinsic cost though, otherwise Sony wouldn't have taken a huge bath on the PS3, despite charging above the then accepted market price for it or Microsoft losing $Billions on selling the first Xbox.

 

Pricing has a floor dictated by cost of materials and associated costs of production, selling below those costs is usually only done if you believe you can recoup that at a later stage.

 

Currently supply/demand is in favour of supply so the cost of production is being driven up and somebody is going to have to pay for that.

 

If console pricing was really driven by the desires of middle aged men with too much money, they'd actually be selling you the exact same hardware but with a healthy profit margin, rather than a marginal or negative profit margin. The only company to do that ironically is the one most appealing not to middle aged men ;)

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To be fair there is highly likely to be a world wide financial meltdown in the next few weeks so half you 40 somethings will be lucky to afford broken Dreamcasts on ebay to play 18 Wheeler on never mind £650 to play Cyberpunk with slightly sharper mohawks.

 

 

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