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I find PC gaming generally fairly seamless these days in terms of "it just works". Of course, if you have a problem it's then typically endless dicking around but that's mercifully rare these days compared to yesteryear.

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19 hours ago, HarryBizzle said:

 

I don't understand this post. As far as I can tell you're saying that you disagree with me because you've chosen to discount 27 games (some of which are very significant) for no apparent reason and then finished it off by saying things will get worse in the future.

 

How is it any different than a PS4 game requiring a certain system version?  FH3 required a then new Windows update.

 

For me it said this pretty explicitly when I tried to launch it, which admittedly is way too late.

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1 minute ago, Dudley said:

 

How is it any different than a PS4 game requiring a certain system version?  FH3 required a then new Windows update.

 

For me it said this pretty explicitly when I tried to launch it, which admittedly is way too late.

 

It didn't say this at all. It would just get stuck on the loading screen. I had to speak to Microsoft support and they told me to try updating my version of Windows. 

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18 hours ago, Mogster said:

Instant resume is more than just quick loading though. It takes you straight back to the instant you left a game, even if it's in the middle of a cutscene or something. I'd love it if something like that came to PC.

 


Yes, it does sound like a really nice feature!

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12 minutes ago, Dudley said:

But it won't happen because how would they make their money.

 

Also they'd charge you another £100 for Windows.

 

A £100 for windows mode would still make it a cheap option for the specs.  They're aiming for their future to be mostly Gamepass subs revenue.  They don't care about the hardware it happens on.  They just need consoles Sony don't totally dominate the living room part of the games market.

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22 hours ago, Mogster said:

Instant resume is more than just quick loading though. It takes you straight back to the instant you left a game, even if it's in the middle of a cutscene or something. I'd love it if something like that came to PC.

 

Consoles can do this because the OS doesn't run the games - it instead runs a virtual machine which, in turn runs the games. It's the same reason save states are pretty easy to implement in emulators - you can just pause execution at any point and dump everything in memory. PC gaming has no such clean divide between the thing running your game and the rest of your system - to save the game state and resume it at a later time, you essentially need to send the whole system to sleep. Even that doesn't work sometimes!

 

Maybe Valve could sort something out using Proton. It's still not as isolated as a proper VM, sure. But I feel like it has to be more achieveable.

 

The alternative would be the industry banding together and creating a common hypervisor implementation. A nice potential benefit of this would be the ability to game on any platform with the underlying support for the hypervisor. On the whole though it would likely be percieved as anti-consumer by PC gaming die hards, as it would likely enable tougher DRM and anti-cheat methods, as well as making mods harder to implement. So when it comes down to it, I think the requirements for a completely reliable instant resume / switching system are probably just antithetical to the very nature of PC gaming.

 

4 hours ago, monkeydog said:

I do wish the Series S/X booted to the Xbox dashboard but had a Windows mode.  They're more PC than I need.  You can't even buy an 8 core Ryzen, motherboard for £250. 

 

Oh absolutely, I would buy one if this were the case. No way they'll do this though - remember people buying PS3s just to network them together for research purposes. Sony made a loss on every single one of those. Plus the fact that it's a potential security hole.

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47 minutes ago, Liamness said:

Sony made a loss on every single one of those. Plus the fact that it's a potential security hole

Hence the Window tax.  Don't all Xbox games actually run within what's effectively a virtual machine?  That could be an avenue to prevent a security disaster.  It's well within MS's field of expertise given their enterprise/cloud offerings.

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On 08/09/2020 at 19:39, Liamness said:

Oh absolutely, I would buy one if this were the case. No way they'll do this though - remember people buying PS3s just to network them together for research purposes. Sony made a loss on every single one of those. Plus the fact that it's a potential security hole.

 

I'd think a more pressing problem would be how Dell/HP/Lenovo, et al would feel about their so called partner selling loss making hardware in direct competition with them. Even crap office PCs cost at least £300 including a licensed copy of Microsoft Windows that didn't fall off the back of a virtual lorry.

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