Copyright strikes on Retro game Youtube vids - Paul Andrews?

[peteprodge]

21 hours ago, gone fishin' said:

But no, @peteprodge's incessant replies in this thread shows exactly what this is all about.

 

A nice observation from the 11th post you wrote in this thread, complaining about the 6 posts I made in this thread.

 

21 hours ago, gone fishin' said:

A bunch of fucking niche retro gaming YouTubers shitting their pants over potentially losing money from their digital begging... sorry... Patreon accounts. It's not about the threat of losing access to retro games, because even Paul Andrews has stated he's not interested in taking down games or stopping people using his IP in new games, as long as the license fee is paid to a charity.

 

It'd be nice if Paul Andrews was telling the truth. As ChinnyVision's Twitter pointed out yesterday, someone has launched some dubious reports to Twitter for photos of Paul Andrews - gee I wonder who that could be - using the 'private media' option, even though they were screengrabs taken from a public YouTube video on a public campaign, for something that Paul doesn't appear to have the rights for. I too received the Twitter actions for this, even for a transformative work used in a meme.

 

Plus, ChinnyVision also pointed out one of the images he posted from the ZX Vega+ site where Paul Andrews makes a big bold statement about putting them into the Public Domain - there's been a strike on that too.

 

So there you go - a false claim being made to take down things Paul Andrews doesn't like. I now have first hand experience of that and any sympathy I had for Andrews has completely evaporated. (I'm not saying the images I posted were absolute gold and incredibly vital to the scene though, just daft jokes.)

 

 

21 hours ago, gone fishin' said:

But what's really sad is how these retrogaming YouTubers (and I'll sort of include @peteprodge in that list, seeing as the only times he mostly posts on here is promoting his YouTube videos or shitting up this thread) are now turning on each other. Because, let's face it folks, there's only so much Patreon money out there. Best to take up sides, stir up a bit of drama in the hope of getting a bit more cash so you can buy a fucking BBC Micro.

 

Here's the thing, especially when the thread turned away from your falsehood-filled rants and focused on magazines.

 

You're whining about the YouTubers making money from talking about old games, and not respecting IP.

 

Have you not noticed the elephant in the room here?

 

This is exactly what the games magazines in the day did. You paid your money to buy a magazine filled with various personalities - some of them really doing it as a persona - reviewing and informing you about games, cracking jokes and that kind of thing. They'd bring you trivia, they'd educate you on the scene, etc. You paid money for that.

 

What have we now? YouTubers of the likes of Octavius, Top Hat Gaming Man, ChinnyVision, etc, and whether you like them or not (and you clearly don't), they're putting a lot of stuff out there for free. You don't have over cash to see it.

 

Maybe this is a bit of a leap, but I can see these guys being the Lloyd Mangrams, Jaz Rignalls and Duncan McDonalds of the 21st century. Scoff away, but you really haven't noticed that your entire argument about Patreon-funded YouTubers could be aimed at games magazines. Pretty much no difference. I don't see you whinging about the careers that many games journalists have gathered up by using other people's IP (also in a Fair Use context).

 

 

21 hours ago, gone fishin' said:

 

Reheated Pixels ( @peteprodge's twitter handle) essentially grassing up another Retro Youtuber for "copyright infringement" with another retro YouTuber circle jerking the whole thing. Yet the funny thing is that at least George Cropper/Bum is trying  to keep the retro Spectrum scene alive by publishing some games. Sure, Konami or whoever, might say to him "remove those games", but George has stated previously he makes absolutely zero profit on this. He does it because he loves the Spectrum.

 

He loves the Spectrum so much, he'll make a 45-minute rant throwing at personal attacks at one of the major Spectrum-promoting YouTubers.

 

21 hours ago, gone fishin' said:

 

And yet here's a couple of clowns grassing him up who've done the total sum of fuck all in terms of creating or publishing retro games.

 

Are you 100% confident in that claim?

 

21 hours ago, gone fishin' said:

Instead, happy to make videos and take as much of that sweet, sweet digital begging money as possible. Best to protect that as much as possible, eh guys?

 

Here are the URLs to my Patreon, my Ko-Fi, my Kickstarter and all that OHWAITTHEYDONTEXIST.

 

And ChinnyVision made the grand profit of £95 for his retrogaming channel over the past 12 months. When you look at the hours he's put in, that's a fraction of a fraction of minimum wage. Kind of puts your conspiracy theories down the dumper.

 

And still - there's no visible filing of a trademark for the Horace character.

 

And still - the people who claim George Cropper's doing no wrong, haven't demonstrated his permissions over those games. Especially the fact he was selling actual Nintendo ROMs of Mario Bros and the like. (And at £8 for a cassette, of course he's making money - don't delude me with this 'not for profit' rubbish.)

 

And still - Lee Fogarty (who I'm not exactly a fan of) is now disclosing Paul Andrews's personal copyright strikes to take down ARTWORK and SCREENSHOTS of Automata games. Not just the games themselves (which would be fair enough), but even screenshots. But you plug away, put your faith into him and insist he's great for the retrogaming scene - even though he has repeatedly contacted Lee Fogarty's girlfriend (who has nothing to do with running World Of Spectrum) with complaints - which is technically harrassment.

 

Anyway, I liked the thread talking about old magazines, that was pretty good, praising all those people who used gaming IP as the basis to talk about things.

[Dudley]

It's ok, I'm using the ip of old gaming magazines as a basis to talk about things.

[Anne Summers]

9 hours ago, K said:

I’ve just had a flick through Edge issue 1, and it doesn’t. 

Another memory I was pretty certain was true turns out to be false. 

I wonder when they did start, then. Tempted to say it was within the first year but wouldn't be certain of it now. 

[Bluejam]

Maybe if someone has autism and / or you dont like them best block them rather than joining in with one of the worst people in the Spectrum scene to attack him on twitter #justsaying

 

[Bluejam]

“No proof of it...”

 

”But it’s scientific fact”

[gone fishin]

1 hour ago, peteprodge said:

 

 

And still - Lee Fogarty (who I'm not exactly a fan of) is now disclosing Paul Andrews's personal copyright strikes to take down ARTWORK and SCREENSHOTS of Automata games. Not just the games themselves (which would be fair enough), but even screenshots. But you plug away, put your faith into him and insist he's great for the retrogaming scene - even though he has repeatedly contacted Lee Fogarty's girlfriend (who has nothing to do with running World Of Spectrum) with complaints - which is technically harrassment.

 

 

 

I was going to write a long reply, but using Lee Fogarty as evidence just pretty much sums up your responses. Trying to find any reason to have a dig at Paul Andrews or George Cropper in this thread, like a broken record, because yes... you really don't like them.. .even if it's now long gone past having anything to do with the Octavius Kitten video takedown issue.

 

Sinking to the depths of using someone who helped with the whole Vega+ scam/shit show and was shown to consistently lie during the Vega+ campaign?

 

Wow. 

[MajorRob]

2 hours ago, peteprodge said:

. But you plug away, put your faith into him and insist he's great for the retrogaming scene - even though he has repeatedly contacted Lee Fogarty's girlfriend (who has nothing to do with running World Of Spectrum) with complaints - which is technically harrassment.

 

It's not harassment at all -  Fogarty used his girlfriend's address as the contact address for his company so obviously paperwork gets sent there.

[Camel]

This thread is like one of those fighting game stages where the ground collapses and the fighters fall through into a whole new level.

[Bluejam]

So hang on, in Petes World, someone has got a massive stash of phones to make up twitter accounts (as you need a unique phone number for a twitter account don’t you?) 

 

It was George Cropper and Jamie Ball who may or may not be the same person and now Paul Andrews who are involved in this twitter ‘hate’ campaign against certain individuals but now he’s joining up with Lee ‘I’m innocent and never lie’ Fogarty to join in on a witch hunt on a fellow autism sufferer who has said himself on twitter that he (and his family) is suffering mentally from all this.

 

Maybe ‘RetroLaird’ should do a video on YouTube about it. 

 

Someone should do a book of all this. There is no popcorn bucket big enough.

 

[SeanR]

I take an instance dislike to famous/popular/major* youtubers with small/medium/large* numbers of followers, when they describe themselves as such.

 

it’s like calling yourself “cool”

* delete as applicable

[Bluejam]

“So is Lee Fogarty the good guy now?”

[Ste Pickford]

21 minutes ago, Bluejam said:

So hang on, in Petes World, someone has got a massive stash of phones to make up twitter accounts (as you need a unique phone number for a twitter account don’t you?) 

 

 

You don't need a unique phone number for a twitter account, just an email address. You can make as many as you want, which people do for marketing purposes, bands, games, companies, etc., as well as parody accounts, bots, etc.  Twitter accounts aren't meant to be tied to a personal identity in the way Facebook accounts are.

[Fry Crayola]

33 minutes ago, Bluejam said:

you need a unique phone number for a twitter account don’t you?

 

No, are you thinking maybe of WhatsApp?

[maryliddon]

1 hour ago, gone fishin' said:

 

I was going to write a long reply, but using Lee Fogarty as evidence just pretty much sums up your responses. Trying to find any reason to have a dig at Paul Andrews or George Cropper in this thread, like a broken record, because yes... you really don't like them.. .even if it's now long gone past having anything to do with the Octavius Kitten video takedown issue.

 

Sinking to the depths of using someone who helped with the whole Vega+ scam/shit show and was shown to consistently lie during the Vega+ campaign?

 

Wow. 

 

Lee's been messaging me on Facebook with info but I've steered clear of looking into it because conclusions I come to on the basis of Lee's word would get torn to shreds.

 

Now.

 

That whole Vega scam.

 

Something that's always concerned me from when the company's bank statements were leaked is that the company seemed to be insolvement BEFORE the Vega+ money was pledged. There's some lengthy discussion in the various emails about the debts they owe from tthe original Vega.

 

If the money from from the Vega+ kickstarter had to cover the debts left by the Vega production there's an argument that if Andrews had stayed and RCL's money hadn't been frittered away, they may not have had the resources needed to fulfill the pledges made for the Vega+. That'd be a ponzi shceme.

 

We'll never know, because you can't rerun history. But IF we assume the financial details leaked are true Levy, Paul and the other directors built a company that looked very shakey and was dependent on using a large part of the Vega+ funding to baile themselves out.

 

To be clear, that wouldn't pardon what subsequently happened after their departure. That looks like a definite itentent to scam rather than every day ineptitude

 

To be clear I'm not saying this is what happened, just that the financial records and emails that were leaked and painted a terrible picture of Martin and Levy also raise a number of questions how RCL was run prior to Andrews and Smith's departure.

 

 

 

 

[Bluejam]

Hmmm, I’m sure I had to get a confirmation code via text when I joined twitter a few years back. 
 

I stand corrected.

 

 

[Unofficial Who]

18 hours ago, Swainy said:

I always trying to get Spectrum games running (via emulation) at a decent speed on my Amiga back in 91/92. God knows why. I still had my Speccy.

 

I managed to do that on my CD32....thanks to 8 meg of FastRam in the SX1!

 

19 hours ago, Protocol Penguin said:

From Super Play issue 35 (dated September 1995), on their guide to the fledgling World Wide Web (source):

 

 

Edit: even earlier is sort of a proto-retrogaming article in issue 17 of ACE from December 1988 (source), which isn't about retro gaming as we'd know it as such, more a "remember those early 8-bit computers we used to play games on?" nostalgia fest. Nostalgia for computers which in some cases were barely more than half-a-decade old at the time of publication.

 

 

omg! I remember that site with Grover on the toilet! This was back in the days when emulating Pitfall 2 was seen as an almost impossible goal!

[Unofficial Who]

20 hours ago, Rex Grossman said:

Also I had some C64 games that let you play a Space Invaders clone during loading in the late 1980s.

 

 

[Wizcat]

20 hours ago, strider said:

All this talk of retro gaming being a big thing is interesting. While the five year debate is obviously rather untrue, a lot of stuff has happened in the last decade that highlights just how commercial retro gaming has now become. Mini consoles, games being released on old hardware, events, kickstarter books and just a few examples. We've actually done a piece on this very thing for the next issue. Retro gaming has been around for years as has already been pointed out, but it's certainly picked up a lot of steam this past decade.

 

10 years is interesting, as 2020 will be the 10th anniversary of Play Expo ... of sorts. It's been through a couple of parents and a number of venues (with potentially yet another change in 2020 too), but I remember the feedback from that first event being amazing.

 

It felt to me that prior to that the retro events were very niche. Dave Moore's idea to combine the retro with modern brought the whole things to a new audience and (imho) triggered a bit of a nostalgia explosion. 

 

I agree that 'retro' has always been around, but it seems to have become more commercialised in the last decade particularly

[Dudley]

4 hours ago, Ste Pickford said:

 

You don't need a unique phone number for a twitter account, just an email address. You can make as many as you want, which people do for marketing purposes, bands, games, companies, etc., as well as parody accounts, bots, etc.  Twitter accounts aren't meant to be tied to a personal identity in the way Facebook accounts are.

 

Yeah I've got 3 Twitters (Personal / Professional / Yesterzine) and I think there's 0 phone numbers between them.

[Ste Pickford]

4 minutes ago, Dudley said:

 

Yeah I've got 3 Twitters (Personal / Professional / Yesterzine) and I think there's 0 phone numbers between them.

 

I was slightly unsure of myself after that post as I recently created an additional account for my Freaky Dancing fanzine reprint (@freakydancing89), and I definitely didn't need a phone number for that, just an email address, but it's sort of connected to my main account via Tweetdeck, and I do use my phone for 2FA on my main account, and might have needed to authenticate the freaky dancing account... can't remember now.

 

Either way, you definitely don't need a new phone number for additional accounts you might create.

[Swainy]

Just looking back at the dates of the first retro event that I attended (it was the one with Matthew Smith held at Fairfield Halls in Croydon) was on 24th & 25th July 2004.

 

It was very different compared today’s Retro events.

[Lorfarius]

Think mine was a Chris Wilkins one around the same time, they had an N-Gage on show too and saw strider for the first time ever Sparked me to go and do my own (Retro North) several years later, which Ste attended!

 

 

 

[Camel]

32 minutes ago, Swainy said:

Just looking back at the dates of the first retro event that I attended (it was the one with Matthew Smith held at Fairfield Halls in Croydon) was on 24th & 25th July 2004.

 

It was very different compared today’s Retro events.

 

Is that the one I mentioned earlier in the thread with Billy Mitchell and Doris Self? What was different compared to later events?

[SeanR]

41 minutes ago, Swainy said:

Just looking back at the dates of the first retro event that I attended (it was the one with Matthew Smith held at Fairfield Halls in Croydon) was on 24th & 25th July 2004.

 

It was very different compared today’s Retro events.

yeah, Billy Mitchell could still show his face to hawk his hot sauce...

[SeanR]

8 minutes ago, Camel said:

 

Is that the one I mentioned earlier in the thread with Billy Mitchell and Doris Self? What was different compared to later events?

see above. This was the show where I played neo drift out, in the main hall

[maryliddon]

ha, I was there too

[Swainy]

1 hour ago, Camel said:

 

Is that the one I mentioned earlier in the thread with Billy Mitchell and Doris Self? What was different compared to later events?

Yeah that was the one. Main difference I guess was the numbers of people at the event compared to recent events, plus the size of the place. 
 

I really enjoyed going to it though, actually meeting & chatting to Matthew Smith (this was a few years before I started podcasting) was something I never thought would happen at that point in my life.

[maryliddon]

I got really drunk and was trying to buy a some vintage Atari centipede kids costume. My mate, who's a bit shorter than me, was going to run around the show being a human centipede (not that kind). Seemed like a good idea at the time but the guy at the stall told me to fuck off.

 

 

[Camel]

IIRC the arcade machines there were all from Archer Maclean's personal collection.

[Escape]

He had (has?) that lovely blue Computer Space.

 

11 hours ago, Fry Crayola said:

No, are you thinking maybe of WhatsApp?

 

I was thinking of Dave Quinnan, but that's Andrew Paul.