Obi-Wan Series - Friday 27th May

[Garwoofoo]

7 hours ago, JPL said:

I find it distracting because she’s got an accent that sounds like she should be a rapper, which really doesn’t fit with Star Wars for some reason.

 

Well this is certainly one of the more racist things I've read on this forum.

[probotector]

1 hour ago, Moz said:

Anakin Skywalker sucks too my dude. Neither of them are bad characters, they’re bad performances. 
 

The other bad guys in this are horrible too, but they have less screen time. Parceltongue mushroom head man is absolutely ridiculous (even in this context).

Mushroom head is comically bad.

 

”third sister must pay” lmao

[Dirty Harry Potter]

The actor who plays Mushroom Head must be cringing every time he sees himself in this.

 

That performance would stand out in a local Panto as over the top - let alone a premium TV show.

[Delargey]

Slytherine Toad is really one note - he is a boring foil for Reva he just just says the opposite of whatever she says.

[Vemsie]

It's not great. I watched Stranger Things S4 at the same time and not only is that better written with better characters and setpieces, but it also looks a million times better. Maybe because they shot on real locations and used a lot of practical effects but the difference is striking. And now I'm watching Reacher, which is pulpy, but pulpy in a fun way, like SW used to be. Obi Wan isn't the worst thing I've ever watched but I'm very indifferent tot it at this point.

[JPL]

1 hour ago, Garwoofoo said:

 

Well this is certainly one of the more racist things I've read on this forum.

Huh, what has race got to do with anything? Please don’t try and turn it into something it simply isn’t. I was just trying to say her accent sounds too modern for Star Wars, although that doesn’t feel like the right way to describe it either.

[Thor]

1 minute ago, JPL said:

Huh, what has race got to do with anything? Please don’t try and turn it into something it simply isn’t. I was just trying to say her accent sounds too modern for Star Wars, although that doesn’t feel like the right way to describe it either.

You specifically said she sounds like a rapper - a racial stereotype - and basically said it "doesn't belong" in Star Wars.

[Dirty Harry Potter]

To be fair it does feel like she is playing the character as a racial stereo type though, with lots of 'Tude (which Im sure comes from the creative leads not Moses).

 

It would be much more interesting if she was a bit more nuanced - rather than just angry all the time.

 

[Girth Certificate]

Sneaking around imperial corridors avoiding stormtroopers. Again again again again. This is the most boring shit. 

[Kevvy Metal]

RE: Leia and over-coat. 
Their distraction is the choas happening around them, the Imperial officers and Stormtroopers are distracted by the explosions and shit like that.
They've also shown in almost every Star Wars thing to not give a fuck about anyone else but themselves when the shit hits the fan. 
See also exploding Death Star and Luke just casually carrying Vader's almost dead body. 
Anyways, can't believe I'm writing this. 

[Dirty Harry Potter]

I think the armour of one of the countless stormtroopers Obi Wan just mullered would have been more effective - than the Rolf Harris' man with three legs look.

 

But narrative logic isn't this shows strong point.

[Garwoofoo]

25 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

To be fair it does feel like she is playing the character as a racial stereo type though, with lots of 'Tude (which Im sure comes from the creative leads not Moses).

 

It would be much more interesting if she was a bit more nuanced - rather than just angry all the time.

 

 

Strange because to me she comes across as almost scared - like she's desperately trying to live up to the idea of what an Inquisitor should be, knows the consequences if she gets "found out", and is therefore overcompensating a bit. Unlike, say, Mushroom Head who just is that kind of person through and through. I genuinely think Moses Ingram is putting in quite a strong performance here.

 

Likewise with Little Leia, I think that's a great bit of child casting, she's completely believable as a young version of that character.

 

I dunno, I guess I'm easily pleased, I enjoyed The Book of Boba Fett and I'm enjoying this. It's got Star Wars characters doing Star Wars things all set to Star Wars music and it's a good fun adventure. Like all these shows it seems to have more in common with The Clone Wars and Rebels than it does with the original movies and that's totally fine with me.

[JLM]

Playing the character as a racial stereotype?? She’s using her own accent and she’s doing fairly standard Star Wars villaining. Isn’t she doing exactly what the character calls for? The other two inquisitors can be monotone Cenobite knock offs, but she is supposed to be the one who doesn’t fit in with them, so she will show more emotion and be more obsessive, reckless and openly ambitious etc. Also putting on a bit of a front because the other two openly say they think she’s the worst one and that probably stings but she tries to act like it doesn’t. 
 

If someone says the performance is “too urban” next I might actually cry. 
 

 

[JPL]

33 minutes ago, Thor said:

You specifically said she sounds like a rapper - a racial stereotype - and basically said it "doesn't belong" in Star Wars.

Maybe it was a bad frame of reference, but it certainly wasn't intended as racist. I'm sure she's a great actor in other things, but her more modern accent certainly doesn't feel like it fits in the Star Wars universe to me. I'll try to remember that the word "rapper" is racist from now on.

[Girth Certificate]

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RE: Leia and over-coat. 

that was the best bit by far. Even without the kid he looked like such a fanny if the cap and jacket. The only way it could have been funnier is if she was on his shoulders and stormtroopers were saluting their new 7 foot tall officer.

[JLM]

Yeah that’s clearly the take away from this, the word “rapper” is racist. I reiterate my “fucking hell”. 

Sounds like a rapper/playing the character as a racial stereotype are simply not things people would say if she were white. It sounds like a way of dancing around saying something worse. That’s why it’s coming across as racist. It’s not the PC brigade saying you’re not allowed to sing baa baa black sheep any more. 

Garwoofoo wasn’t the only person who read it that way. 
 

I just don’t get which accents are supposed to be wrong for Star Wars anyway. Characters are from anywhere and everywhere and have a ton of different accents, so I find it odd that hers is being singled out. I know some people expect the baddies to be largely posh sounding imperial types, but this character could be a random force sensitive person they found or a survivor from a Jedi temple massacre etc. So I don’t really get what accent she’s supposed to have? 

[Kevvy Metal]

26 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

I think the armour of one of the countless stormtroopers Obi Wan just mullered would have been more effective - than the Rolf Harris' man with three legs look.

 

But narrative logic isn't this shows strong point.

 

Put Leia in a stromtrooper outfit?
I think a 3 foot-high Stormtrooper in ill-fitting armour might be slightly more of an obvious disguise. 

[JLM]

Aren’t you a little clearly a small child to be a stormtrooper? 
it’s like poetry, it rhymes. 

[JPL]

6 minutes ago, JLM said:

Yeah that’s clearly the take away from this, the word “rapper” is racist. I reiterate my “fucking hell”. 

Sounds like a rapper/playing the character as a racial stereotype are simply not things people would say if she were white. It sounds like a way of dancing around saying something worse. That’s why it’s coming across as racist. It’s not the PC brigade saying you’re not allowed to sing baa baa black sheep any more. 

Garwoofoo wasn’t the only person who read it that way. 
 

I just don’t get which accents are supposed to be wrong for Star Wars anyway. Characters are from anywhere and everywhere and have a ton of different accents, so I find it odd that hers is being singled out. I know some people expect the baddies to be largely posh sounding imperial types, but this character could be a random force sensitive person they found or a survivor from a Jedi temple massacre etc. So I don’t really get what accent she’s supposed to have? 

Of course that was a cheeky dig at how pathetic this conversation has become over race. It’s fucking ridiculous and no matter how much you might want to believe it, it wasn’t meant in any kind of racist way. I don’t really have time for this today, so I’ll leave you to it. You almost cracked it with your last paragraph as well.

[Hanzo the Razor]

4 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

Put Leia in a stromtrooper outfit?
I think a 3 foot-high Stormtrooper in ill-fitting armour might be slightly more of an obvious disguise. 

 

"Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?"

[Delargey]

56 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

RE: Leia and over-coat. 
Their distraction is the choas happening around them, the Imperial officers and Stormtroopers are distracted by the explosions and shit like that.
They've also shown in almost every Star Wars thing to not give a fuck about anyone else but themselves when the shit hits the fan. 
See also exploding Death Star and Luke just casually carrying Vader's almost dead body. 
Anyways, can't believe I'm writing this. 

 

The explosions didn't start happening until they were outside of the fortress - which means they walked until that point with Liea under a rain mac when the station was on alert for intruders.

 

 

 

 

[BitterToad]

29 minutes ago, JPL said:

Of course that was a cheeky dig at how pathetic this conversation has become over race. It’s fucking ridiculous and no matter how much you might want to believe it, it wasn’t meant in any kind of racist way. I don’t really have time for this today, so I’ll leave you to it. You almost cracked it with your last paragraph as well.

You have to be able to see that calling out a black cast member for having "a voice like a rapper" as a criticism isn't a great look? The window's more than open for a "yeah shouldn't have used that option, wasn't thinking, apologies let's move on" rather than a "you can't say anything these days eh, I'll bow out" 

 

I fully believe you didn't type it out in a racist way but that is how that will come across. 

[Uncle Mike]

I don't see how anyone, in 2022, could possibly write of the one Black actor that they sound too much like a rapper and not expect to have it called out. It's an incredibly iffy thing to write.

[K]

Saying a black actor doesn't fit into Star Wars because they speak like a rapper is textbook unconscious bias. It would make sense as a criticism if she delivered her lines in the form of a rap, but she just speaks in an American accent. @JPL, you must accept that this shows a degree of bias in terms of what kinds of people you find believable in what roles.

[K]

1 hour ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

To be fair it does feel like she is playing the character as a racial stereo type though, with lots of 'Tude (which Im sure comes from the creative leads not Moses).

 

It would be much more interesting if she was a bit more nuanced - rather than just angry all the time.

 

 

Angry Black Woman. I think you're the one applying racial stereotypes here.

[Purin]

I kept thinking about this

 

[JLM]

Benjamin Empireman.

[Delargey]

The annoying thing about the mac is they could have easily come up with a less ridiculous way to escape 

Off the top of my head

- have Indira Varma know about a maintance shaft (or research this when she is sitting at the console) which they can crawl out to the dock.

- hide Liea in a cargo box and wheel her out.

- Put her in cuffs use the old "we have orders to move the prisoner" line + Obi Wan using the jedi mind trick.

 

None of these are great but better than "hide her under my coat" as a clever escape gambit.

[probotector]

tbh I kinda like her voice and accent.

 

She was really good in the Leia interrogation and gave away a bit of background too when she said they took everything away from her.

 

Shes clearly going to have a redemption and then her own TV show…

 

The escape bit was fun. People forget Starwars is aimed at kids not man babies. 

[yakumo]

23 minutes ago, probotector said:

 

 

The escape bit was fun. People forget Starwars is aimed at kids not man babies. 

 

Yeah cutting Stormtroopers in half, torturing a guy in fire, snapping people's necks. Definitely aimed for kids.